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The Spectre page you linked refers to them as being "near invisible" and translucent.DTG499 said:@purgy
The specters in doom are described in lore to have "psionic invisibility" which can basically be described as complete physical and spiritual invisibility. Doomguy sees them just fine.
https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Spectre/Doom_(2016)
Jump to 4:05 on this video and you'll doomguy destroy a soul through non physical means.
https://youtu.be/KPiDnQcGh7Q
Alright, still though to my knowledge souls aren't assumed invisible by default.DTG499 said:Their was a soul residing in the shield of the gladiator, he didn't destroy the shield directly he just attacked the glowing part of it destroying soul thus the shield.
Read until the very end of the description for the specter. That's where you'll see the statement I was referring to.
Okay, but it's confusing when it says they're invisible, whilst also saying they're "partially" or "nearly" invisible. If they're completely invisible than DoomSlayer wins, if not then he loses. Everywhere I've looked it never says fully invisible or even implies it, there's always a "nearly " or a "partially".DTG499 said:"It is believed the beast was accidentally released from its pen when its keeper, thinking the invisible Spectre had escaped, opened the gate" No one but doomguy can see the spectres.
I'm not sure I agree, it seems people are taking them as being referred to as "invisible" as to mean completely so, when everywhere I've looked it's never said that, if you can show me something saying they're completely invisible or impossible to see by anybody other than DoomSlayer then I'll concede, but again it seems like people are taking segments where they're referred to as invisible, whilst simultaneously ignoring segments where they're referred to as mostly/partially/nearly invisible.Blahblah9755 said:The partially invisible and translucent parts are all describing the player's view of it rather than lore descriptions, so I assume it's invisible in lore but only transparent in gameplay
DTG499 said:Has he ever actually killed anyone by just standing?
It's stated within the lore the anyone else cannot see them AT ALL.DTG499 said:I'm not sure I agree, it seems people are taking them as being referred to as "invisible" as to mean completely so, when everywhere I've looked it's never said that, if you can show me something saying they're completely invisible or impossible to see by anybody other than DoomSlayer then I'll concede, but again it seems like people are taking segments where they're referred to as invisible, whilst simultaneously ignoring segments where they're referred to as mostly/partially/nearly invisible.
This is from their page on this wiki.DTG499 said:I did, read it agai
AP has nothing to do with it, you were already told this. Orihime who is Large Island level was able to be in the presence of Yhwach and Ichigo whilst they were fighting both of which are soon to be Large Planet level.DTG499 said:Ok so a couple things I need to know. Why doesn't the soul crush work on 10-Bs, what is Rukia's souls manip resist level and why doesn't it scale to AP when having the higher AP is the how you soul crush someone to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong too wasn't Rukia a 7-C when see got soul crushed by Ichigo?
Some random fodder not being perceptive enough/focusing enough on it doesn't mean it's completely and utterly invisible, I'm not arguing it can't make itself hard to see, but everything I've read has strongly indicated that it's not entirely invisible and instead only difficult to see.DTG499 said:@purgy
No, you're just reading the paraphrased description of made by the wiki. This is the quote you need to focus on. "It is believed the beast was accidentally released from its pen when its keeper, thinking the invisible Spectre had escaped, opened the gate" This actual in game lore statement is basically saying that the guy could not tell at all whether the Spectre was actually in the cage or not.
What are you talking about? It's the UAC's colony on mars is exclusively full of people researching ways to fix the world's energy crisis. Only the elite of the elite would be working there. If they appeared to him as they do in game he would seem him like we can and not have let it out, period.Keeweed said:That guy could have just been crap at his job. Considering he went into an enclosure for an invisible creature, because he couldn't see it, it points to the guy that opened the door just missing part of the demon that is partially visible.
No because it's not about AP, it's about your soul resistance. You thinking it's a "Look at how big my power level is" thing is just your perception of it, which is wrong.DTG499 said:@purgy Ok so that just makes even less sense now a 7-A from 7-C gap is able to soul crush but a 6-C to 5-B isn't? I'm just saying in verse it defiantly scales to AP, that's the whole point of it. The aura crush is the ultimate "look at how big my power level is". But I get it, it's clearly inconsistent. So does the sou crush cap out at 6-C or do we just scale the resistance to the aura?
Not to my knowledge, but that doesn't prove your argument. The 7 or 8 times a fodder character (In comparison to the person doing the Soul Crushing) has survived being in close proximity to a character hundreds if not thousands of times stronger than them and been completely unaffected disproves your argument. Regardless, I'm 99% sure this discussion has been had a dozen times and it being based on Soul Resistance is what we use, if you want to change that, you're welcome to try.DTG499 said:Ok if it's not AP based then we should have seen a person who has a lower AP soul crush someone who has a higher AP. So have we?
Maybe learn what an inconsistency is? If it happens that many times it's not an inconsistency, it's something you need to accept and realize DoomSlayer probably gets passively smudged into the ground (Based on what I've read in this thread of course since iirc the only Soul Resistance feat you've provided is the lost souls thing). Soul Manipulation is listed on their profiles... You realize this is a verse where 80% of the characters are Souls and almost every attack they have is Soul Based?DTG499 said:So basically it's just inconsistent writing. Got it. Yeah the soul manipulation for aura that isn't even listed. Go make a CRT and get that fixed.
The scenario is that he starts of with berserk already on. And again Ichigo has never killed someone who has comparable AP with aura crush.Keeweed said:Soul Crushing is passive so the Doom Slayer wouldn't have a chance to use berserk. The Slayer dies instantly here.