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The Slayer vs The Substitute
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The Spectre page you linked refers to them as being "near invisible" and translucent.DTG499 said:
"In combat Spectres have the same abilities as Pinkies, the only difference being their translucent bodies. The Spectre will typically attempt to use its near-invisible body to its advantage by sneaking up on the player and biting them, though they will exhibit the same charging attacks as well if they can acquire an uninterrupted path to the player."
Souls aren't assumed invisible by default iirc, they need to have been demonstrated as such. Also, in the video, I'm not sure if I'm just blind but I legitimately don't see anything there representing a soul.
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Their was a soul residing in the shield of the gladiator, he didn't destroy the shield directly he just attacked the glowing part of it destroying soul thus the shield.
Read until the very end of the description for the specter. That's where you'll see the statement I was referring to.
Then you have the lost souls who are literally just souls. You can already see for yourself that he has non-physical interaction and the ability to see invisible things listed.
Read until the very end of the description for the specter. That's where you'll see the statement I was referring to.
Then you have the lost souls who are literally just souls. You can already see for yourself that he has non-physical interaction and the ability to see invisible things listed.
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Okay, but it's confusing when it says they're invisible, whilst also saying they're "partially" or "nearly" invisible. If they're completely invisible than DoomSlayer wins, if not then he loses. Everywhere I've looked it never says fully invisible or even implies it, there's always a "nearly " or a "partially".DTG499 said:
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The partially invisible and translucent parts are all describing the player's view of it rather than lore descriptions, so I assume it's invisible in lore but only transparent in gameplay
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I'm not sure I agree, it seems people are taking them as being referred to as "invisible" as to mean completely so, when everywhere I've looked it's never said that, if you can show me something saying they're completely invisible or impossible to see by anybody other than DoomSlayer then I'll concede, but again it seems like people are taking segments where they're referred to as invisible, whilst simultaneously ignoring segments where they're referred to as mostly/partially/nearly invisible.Blahblah9755 said:
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I'm not sure I agree, it seems people are taking them as being referred to as "invisible" as to mean completely so, when everywhere I've looked it's never said that, if you can show me something saying they're completely invisible or impossible to see by anybody other than DoomSlayer then I'll concede, but again it seems like people are taking segments where they're referred to as invisible, whilst simultaneously ignoring segments where they're referred to as mostly/partially/nearly invisible.
Always take priory in lore over gameplay, when they say partially invisible it means it partially invisible to the perspective of doomguy. It's stated within the lore the anyone else cannot see them AT ALL.
Always take priory in lore over gameplay, when they say partially invisible it means it partially invisible to the perspective of doomguy. It's stated within the lore the anyone else cannot see them AT ALL.
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This is from their page on this wiki.DTG499 said:
"The Spectre is one of the stronger low-level enemies in DOOM, and is in fact a direct relative to the Pinky. Unlike their more straightforward counterparts, they possess a form of psionic invisibility that makes them nigh-impossible to see, and tend to utilize more stealth-based tactics in order to dispatch their victims. Despite this, they are in fact much weaker and less durable than their non-invisible brethren, requiring far less damage in order to be killed."
- Adaptive Invisibility: The Spectre possesses a psionic trait that bends and warps light around itself in a manner that causes its surroundings to be seen through its body, functionally rendering it invisible to the naked eye. This invisibility is not entirely perfect in the original games, but is much more potent in the 2016 reboot, as the very first Spectre was able to use its invisibility in order to trick its keeper into believing it had escaped.
From everything I've researched and that has been presented, I see no reason as to why DoomSlayer would even be able to sense let alone see Ichigo. Lastly, this is conjecture but given that Spectres become "semi" invisible due to messing with Light, it's possible DoomSlayers helmet/equipment is what allows him to see them and can't even be applied to Ichigo since he doesn't become invisible by messing with Light and it's purely supernatural.
TLDR: DoomSlayer can't see Ichigo.
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Ok so a couple things I need to know. Why doesn't the soul crush work on 10-Bs, what is Rukia's souls manip resist level and why doesn't it scale to AP when having the higher AP is the how you soul crush someone to begin with. Correct me if I'm wrong too wasn't Rukia a 7-C when see got soul crushed by Ichigo?
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No it works on the 10-Bs. I meant that the 10-Bs don't have the soul crush. Ichigo has the ap advantage so even if it was an ap thing, Ichigo should still soul crush. Bleach scales vastly above baseline soul resistance while the Doom Slayer is baseline when it comes to his soul resistance.
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No, you're just reading the paraphrased description of made by the wiki. This is the quote you need to focus on. "It is believed the beast was accidentally released from its pen when its keeper, thinking the invisible Spectre had escaped, opened the gate" This actual in game lore statement is basically saying that the guy could not tell at all whether the Spectre was actually in the cage or not.
No, you're just reading the paraphrased description of made by the wiki. This is the quote you need to focus on. "It is believed the beast was accidentally released from its pen when its keeper, thinking the invisible Spectre had escaped, opened the gate" This actual in game lore statement is basically saying that the guy could not tell at all whether the Spectre was actually in the cage or not.
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Some random fodder not being perceptive enough/focusing enough on it doesn't mean it's completely and utterly invisible, I'm not arguing it can't make itself hard to see, but everything I've read has strongly indicated that it's not entirely invisible and instead only difficult to see.DTG499 said:
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@Keeweed We measure soul manipulation by the amount right? Ok so what are the numbers for Rukia at the time. @purgy Ok so that just makes even less sense now a 7-A from 7-C gap is able to soul crush but a 6-C to 5-B isn't? I'm just saying in verse it defiantly scales to AP, that's the whole point of it. The aura crush is the ultimate "look at how big my power level is". But I get it, it's clearly inconsistent. So does the sou crush cap out at 6-C or do we just scale the resistance to the aura?
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What are you talking about? It's the UAC's colony on mars is exclusively full of people researching ways to fix the world's energy crisis. Only the elite of the elite would be working there. If they appeared to him as they do in game he would seem him like we can and not have let it out, period.Keeweed said:
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Not to my knowledge, but that doesn't prove your argument. The 7 or 8 times a fodder character (In comparison to the person doing the Soul Crushing) has survived being in close proximity to a character hundreds if not thousands of times stronger than them and been completely unaffected disproves your argument. Regardless, I'm 99% sure this discussion has been had a dozen times and it being based on Soul Resistance is what we use, if you want to change that, you're welcome to try.DTG499 said:
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Maybe learn what an inconsistency is? If it happens that many times it's not an inconsistency, it's something you need to accept and realize DoomSlayer probably gets passively smudged into the ground (Based on what I've read in this thread of course since iirc the only Soul Resistance feat you've provided is the lost souls thing). Soul Manipulation is listed on their profiles... You realize this is a verse where 80% of the characters are Souls and almost every attack they have is Soul Based?DTG499 said:
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