J.M. DeMatteis(Marvel Cosmology Split)
As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...vsbattles.com
I just realized... since all the scans used in the OP to support an infinite R>F hierarchy are being used for our current cosmology justifications in the Omniverse section of this blog, the CRT would immediately result in a direct loss of Marvel's High 1-A cosmology ratings.
Eh, I don't know about that. I'm waiting on Ultima to give his two cents on what will happen and he said it could be either or.
This might help with determining the new cosmology for Marvel.
Nothing ever is, but it's clear his stories are better as a stand-alone.
Btw, the stuff about the classic Beyonder being infinite dimensional in nature would still probably mean the universal eternity cosmology is at minimum High 1-B even without Demattis.
Yeah, probably. We've seen in the Hulk story when Beyonder was walking through Crossroads that the material world is multi-layered with an endless number of dimensions, though he's referring to the whole of the Multiverse, the actual scale could just be given to the Universal True Body of Eternity.
Well Ultima stated in the cosmology blog and whatnot on how the evidence indicates the Beyonder to be inside Universal Eternity, so Eternity could still be high 1-B/Low 1-A.
Btw are you sure we should damage Marvel cosmology for an author with so few appearances/profiles?
That's not really the point. This could be said for DC since we damaged it by splitting Cosmologies. It is best that J.M. DeMatteis have his own Cosmology because his canon isn't supported much in the larger holistic canon.
I'm pretty sure Ultima doesn't mind. I consulted with him on this topic several times.
He as quite a few issues (I think Google says over 400) but I agree it's just one author seems a lot of work over 1 author and 1 character, and is he just inconsistent about TOAA or has he directly contradicted about characters such as Eternity and family?
Speaking of Eternity, how is he High 1-A+ when he got defeated by Dormammu, who was amplified by a shift in the cosmic axis, which is a hierarchy dictating how powerful abstract entities are, implying he’s bound by a hierarchy?
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure nothing that's not 0 is a hierarchy, especially on how the story works.
Even if you aren't referring to my work we can assume that how Eternity contains the Quantum Sea(infinite regression of the metaphysical realm). Either way, he's on the lower end of High 1-A+.
He's not physically moving through those and he didn't move through them at all.
The original thread was to separate the profile from the Divine Creator and the One Above All. The people kept asking how his pseudo-canon would even work since his characters never worked outside his stories. So if we had no problem separating DC then I don't see how Marvel is different. If I recall correctly, you were on the notion that we could.
The Cosmology split is a different thing, but the profile split needs a review again. Technically, that aspect was already accepted. The larger question at hand was if the Cosmology should be split which is 1-1 or 2-1 depending on how you view it.
Dont worry, Marvel has a tons of infinite dimensional stuffs and would keep its High 1-B even when someone low ball it into oblivion.
No to say, all this stuffs like "Worlds within world" "A universe is a multiverses to all of other universe of possibilities" "Omniverse" "A lager thought is contained by another larger thought" is more of the same idea but explained in different tone.
Okay. I think that makes sense. Never mind. I currently agree with you then.
I do not want the cosmology incorrectly and harshly reduced to a 5-D Earth 616 and a 7-D multiverse for the sake of having one tier 0 profile.
We'll see what happens with this Demattis stuff first.
He doesn't yet we separate his stories.
I really don't care all that much for cosmology and stuff, but I really don't see why is that character so important that we are basically creating a cosmology entirely for him.
So even if it is never stated to be non canon, not even by Demattis himself, we're going to split it?
“Non-canon” isn't the issue. His stories, characters, and how he interprets Cosmology are really only congruent in his own stories. Why do you think they separate his from the main DC Cosmology? He writes exactly the same across the companies he works.
It was not for “one character” nor is that the reason. While you can argue others make mistakes, Matteis's story is specific to his beliefs and his tie to his spiritual journey and doesn't really connect with the larger canon. It’s “how his story works with the larger canon” not “we’re changing for one profile.” I don't know how people interpret as changing the Cosmology due to a character and this isn't the first time Matteis had his own separate Cosmology.
I'm saying that his "canon" is not something that is so significant that it's worth it's own cosmology, despite the inconsistencies it seems like we might as well split marvel cosmology by the many authors who have an interpretation that goes against the others, which there is a lot. And despite him being a good writer and all that is not like he is so important for Marvel comics as he is for DC, he created a lot of stuff for DC so I guess he is significant enough to be worth havint it's own thing, but in Marvel he doesn't have all that much to show off.
That's because his more notable for his Spider-Man story and if anything he’s more regarded in Marvel. There's more than enough information on his take on the Cosmology to separate it unless you undermined or did not read much of his stories. He's always been clear on how he interprets his character and the Cosmology, the rest are more so minor nitpick mistakes while Matteis's “mistakes” as you call them warrant entirely different views and philosophies.
He done a lot more DC stuff than Marvel. It's not exacly mistakes but the fact that the authors don't always talk with each other or are unaware of each other's stories one example that I just saw today in Captain Marvel comic one person sent a letter asking Marvel team if the character "Undone" who stated to be Entropy has any relation with Griever at the end of all things, to which the team answered with "Funny enough those 2 cosmic entities are NOT related - It's pure coincidence they both refer to Entropy", there are also other stuff that doesn't make much sense like the character called Life and Phoenix ect, Divine and TOAA might just be 2 characters who by coincidence share similarities and at the same time being the same
Obviously, as I mentioned this is minor nitpicky information that doesn't disregard or warrant an entirely different view. This is a weak basis for an argument.
If his stuff is still considered by everyone to be canon to the Marvel cosmology, we can't split it due to our own headcanons.
By everyone you mean just the people arguing for the side of keeping the Cosmology? I, rather, wait for more input because as far as I can tell “canon” is not what's being regarded here. So, please let's not say “its headcanon” to say otherwise.
