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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Eseseso said:
Also, JM Demattis didn't write the issue of Fantastic Four #290, right?

Because if he didn't, the hyperspace stuff from that and the Infinite-Dimensional Beyonder stuff should ensure that the high 1-B stuff stays, and in turn Eternity should still be Low 1-A (or maybe 1-A via either BDE 2 and/or R>F)
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Don't forget the Cascade of "ever-increasing spheres and sedimentary layers of heavens encrusting the tiny shell of this universe."

Or the "infinite-dimensional space" the Ghostworks would've ascended into.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
Don't forget the Cascade of "ever-increasing spheres and sedimentary layers of heavens encrusting the tiny shell of this universe."

Or the "infinite-dimensional space" the Ghostworks would've ascended into.
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Wait, none of that is Demattis? If so then that's a relief.

I still don't agree with a cosmology split, but I guess we'll wait to see what Ultima thinks.
 
I'm just bewildered that we accept one for DC to split J.M. DeMatteis's stories yet his Marvel stories are no different; he recycles his Hindu-based Cosmology, duality story, dream and dreamer logic, and we’re so hesitant to split it just because it would “maybe” downgrade the main continuity is quite petty if you ask me.

I thought we universally all agree that his works’ can stand alone as a separate Cosmology. The only other proposition I can propose is still divide the profile of the Creator and the One Above All, add his characters into the Cosmology, and for the reused characters in his story create a key for each. That would just create more confusion, work, and won’t even make sense in their context. For example, Oblivion is treated as an infinite non-being and the personification of the Creator's unconscious: whose uncreated and unsurpassable and only second to the Creator, yet we see Hickman and Ewing only treat him as a universal entropic nihilistic concept who is no more powerful or no more important than the Tribunal and the rest of the cosmic entities.
 
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Minor additions for Knull

- Beyond-Dimensional Existence type 1 Acausality (types 1 and 4) He's Older than time, The Abyss that Knull embodies has existed since the first cosmos first firmament, so the abyss is in the outside, of the outside of multi Eternity. - Dimensional travel Memory Manipulation He brought Harry...
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Tomfer said:
Only 6 issues seems too little to me, but we don't have any rules against alternative universes issue-requiments last I remember, so it's whatever.
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I’ll give it some more thought, at most I’d wait until the end of the year before I put them up.
 
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Minor Gorgon Profile fix

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gorgon_(Tomi_Shishido)?so=search# Simple addition. Just adding an Optional Equipment section: Optional Equipment: Various swords, a replica of Wolverine's claws I feel like this is important for maximum profile clarity, since one might be behooved to...
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Covers to Moon Knight: Fist Of Khonshu #0 and #1

"FULL MOON RISING! As an avatar and agent of the Egyptian God of the Moon, Khonshu, former mercenary Marc Spector has died and come back to life on more than one occasion. To the ignorant, his fate beyond death’s grasp may seem idyllic, but being chosen as a fists of Khonshu comes with a heavy cost! And, like bones in a street fight, Marc Spector, and the multitudes he contains, may be about to break!"

My boy is back, and with a new outfit:

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Tomfer said:
I've just finished reading it, it was a cool issue. I wasn't expecting Marc appearing there, lmao.
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I expected either that Kunshu was just going to clean the skies or empower Moon Hunter to help the avengers or something I also did not expected him to just straight up revive every one of his "kids" to the playground
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
I expected either that Kunshu was just going to clean the skies or empower Moon Hunter to help the avengers or something I also did not expected him to just straight up revive every one of his "kids" to the playground
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Hunter's Moon does that with a smaller scale all of the time in the Moon Knight run, so to me, it was expected. I think the Avengers will take care of Blade and his friends while Moon Knight and his brothers takes care of the vampire army.
 
Also Moon Knight: Fist Of Khonshu #0 is a direct sequel of Blood Hunt #4, so we will most likely get more behind-the-scenes of Moon Knight reviving and him leading his brothers.
 
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Just found out that the Red Band version of Blood Hunt #4 has a little more of Moon Knight content.
 
Genuine question. On Wiccan's profile ( https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wiccan_(Marvel_Comics) )
The High Outerverse Level justification is based on him creating the Elder Gods. So, shouldn't the "create the Elder Gods" justification in the High Hyperverse Level instead be located within the High Outerverse Level Justification , or just straight up removed out of redundancy for having the same justification twice ?
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Genuine question. On Wiccan's profile ( https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wiccan_(Marvel_Comics) )
The High Outerverse Level justification is based on him creating the Elder Gods. So, shouldn't the "create the Elder Gods" justification in the High Hyperverse Level instead be located within the High Outerverse Level Justification , or just straight up removed out of redundancy for having the same justification twice ?
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The version of the scan used in the High 1-B justifications should be removed for redundancy.
 
I just scanned a bit for old calcs that can still be usable and found some pretty cool things like even more 9-A stuff to accompany Kulf's calc, but something more fun is Eficiente's old calc that puts Moon Knight, when amped, at Massively FTL+ attack speed that also works for Khonshu. I wonder how many of these old calcs can still be used.
 
Since High 1-B+ includes being beyond High 1-B without transcending it, and Slorioth is beyond any dimensionality within the high 1-B cosmology, would he be High 1-B+ under the new system, I wonder?

Honestly I feel like a bunch of stuff in Marvel could get bumped from High 1-B to High 1-B+ under the new system
 
Eseseso said:
Since High 1-B+ includes being beyond High 1-B without transcending it, and Slorioth is beyond any dimensionality within the high 1-B cosmology, would he be High 1-B+ under the new system, I wonder?

Honestly I feel like a bunch of stuff in Marvel could get bumped from High 1-B to High 1-B+ under the new system
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Slorioth would be one layer in High 1-B+ if it truly does exceed the High 1-B Cosmology.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
I meant to say the first layer akin to the baseline, but yes.
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Got it.

Though I'm sure some of the other stuff in Marvel could be High 1-B+, like Mephisto's realm being infinitely transcendent of the universe (with the universe being High 1-B due to subspace/hyperspace), or the Astral plane being above the universe (since it is possibly gonna lose its low 1-A status)
 
Eseseso said:
Got it.

Though I'm sure some of the other stuff in Marvel could be High 1-B+, like Mephisto's realm being infinitely transcendent of the universe (with the universe being High 1-B due to subspace/hyperspace), or the Astral plane being above the universe (since it is possibly gonna lose its low 1-A status)
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I mean, for the most part, the old system specifically Low 1-A, 1-A, and High 1-A are all being pushed down into High 1-B+ since dimensional jumps aren't being accepted beyond the notion that they're just quantitative. This is funny because this would benefit a lot of verses that don't rely too much on dimensionality, but would affect those who do.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
I mean, for the most part, the old system specifically Low 1-A, 1-A, and High 1-A are all being pushed down into High 1-B+ since dimensional jumps aren't being accepted beyond the notion that they're just quantitative. This is funny because this would benefit a lot of verses that don't rely too much on dimensionality, but would affect those who do.
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Interesting.

It wouldn't affect the Abstracts since they mainly rely currently on viewing the High 1-B stuff as a dream and/or a figment of their imagination IIRC
 
Yeah um if that's legitimate to them post JM DeMatteis Cosmology Split, viewing an Tier 1 Reality as a dream (if it's true R>F difference) is definitively 1-A. Whether that makes sense to them is up to others to decide.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Stuff like that with context counts as quality and not quantity.
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I'm sorry but what does that mean, exactly?

Also I forgot to mention that Ultima gave all the abstracts BDE 2 so they will either stay where they are or be 1-A no matter what.

The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Yeah um if that's legitimate to them post JM DeMatteis Cosmology Split, viewing an Tier 1 Reality as a dream (if it's true R>F difference) is definitively 1-A. Whether that makes sense to them is up to others to decide.
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The Demattis stuff seems to only affect the high 1-A cosmology from what I can tell.

But yeah it's up to Ultima, though I think he once told me that the Abstracts would be 1-A
 
Eseseso said:
I'm sorry but what does that mean, exactly?
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That means it’s 1-A due to a dream within dreams being counted as quality things as long as there’s context to support that.
Eseseso said:
Also I forgot to mention that Ultima gave all the abstracts BDE 2 so they will either stay where they are or be 1-A no matter what.
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Yes, I was aware of that. Though BDE isn't the same as qualitative superiority or R>F, it naturally is Low 1-A which is the minimum for the Abstract with the other addition coming from the Cosmology.
 
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ProfectusInfinity said:
Does anyone know what kind of power/ability this would be classified as?

Basically, there are multiple statements indicating that mere "names" in Marvel have magical power behind them.
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Kinda difficult to know without someone using this magical power somehow, but I'd guess it's a weird form of Abstract Existence? Like how Gods are stories?
 
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