The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Scathan_The_Celestial]

It'd take a good bit of time tho but I feel it'd be worth it to have profiles on each

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The celestials should all have individual profiles aswell, some scale differently then others and have different hax,

I would like a profile for the progenitor judgement day was very good, also this could end up with Ajak profile since Ajak got his powers

 

[Excellence616]

I would like a profile for the progenitor judgement day was very good, also this could end up with Ajak profile since Ajak got his powers

along with Exitar, Eson and Arishem

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also Tiamat

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/molecules-man-is-at-the-level-of-house-of-idea.154493/

 

[Scathan_The_Celestial]

Tiamut by far has the best feats since he's equal to the fulcrum

 

[Excellence616]

i really need inputs here

 

[Scathan_The_Celestial]

Excel do you have discord?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Excel do you have discord?

Same question

 

[Scathan_The_Celestial]

I wanna see if my arguments for stuff like celestial upgrades hold up (not publicly tho)

 

[Excellence616]

Excel do you have discord?

Yeah

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/miles-morales-speed-justification-revision.154513/

 

[Tomfer]

I need some input on something real quick.

Moon Knight's profile has Superhuman Physical Characteristics (During a Moon cycle) and Regeneration (Low. Requires moon light), but those are things that he does not have anymore, or at least, until Khonshu decides to give his super powers back. The only comics he does have those are in Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu, West Coast Avengers (As Khonshu; Issue 21 to 41), Conan Serpent War and (the infamous) Avengers 2018 (Issue 33 to 37)

Shouldn't these be taken or be put into a different key?

Very limited holy manipulation if it works as a weapon against demons and vampires, for example.

It was used against vampires, immediately igniting them into flames.

 

[Antvasima]

I need some input on something real quick.

Moon Knight's profile has Superhuman Physical Characteristics (During a Moon cycle) and Regeneration (Low. Requires moon light), but those are things that he does not have anymore, or at least, until Khonshu decides to give his super powers back. The only comics he does have those are in Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu, West Coast Avengers (As Khonshu; Issue 21 to 41), Conan Serpent War and (the infamous) Avengers 2018 (Issue 33 to 37)

Shouldn't these be taken or be put into a different key?

A different key seems reasonable then.

It was used against vampires, immediately igniting them into flames.

"Limited Holy Manipulation" seems fine then.

 

[MasterKayn]

Why doesn't Ghost Rider have a "King of Hell" key on his profile despite having 19 comic appearances?

Absolute Carnage: Symbiote of Vengeance #1 , The Avengers #16-17, The Avengers #22-25 , Damnation: Johnny Blaze - Ghost Rider #1, Ghost Rider(2019) #1-7, King in Black: Ghost Rider #1, Guardians of the Galaxy #6, Spirits of Ghost Rider: Mother of Demons #1, Doctor Strange: Damnation #4

 

[Antvasima]

Well, somebody needs to investigate what statistics that it should have.

 

[MasterKayn]

I see.
I'm willing to help create a new key, even made a sandbox version. But since I'm still getting used to things, some guidance would be nice. Maybe to have some input on it before I make a post.

 

[Tomfer]

"Limited Holy Manipulation" seems fine then.

Since it's just a small addition, am I allowed to add that to his profile now?

 

[Gasper]

How many relevant gods did gorr kill?

 

[Antvasima]

Since it's just a small addition, am I allowed to add that to his profile now?

I think so, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

How many relevant gods did gorr kill?

I do not know, but Gorr was just an unoriginal blatant darker and edgier rip-off of Dan Jurgen's previous Thor character Desak.

 

[ByAsura]

I found another reference from Defenders: Beyond #2 of Loki suggesting Those Who Sit Above in Shadow are likely The Beyonders.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but it was just speculation from him.

 

[ByAsura]

The evidence on the profile is speculation, regardless.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I do not know, but Gorr was just an unoriginal blatant darker and edgier rip-off of Dan Jurgen's previous Thor character Desak.

Darker is bad embrace lighter

 

[Antvasima]

The evidence on the profile is speculation, regardless.

Good point. Should it be removed?

 

[ByAsura]

idk.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I think it can just be there as supporting evidence, since it was referenced a second time and it's supported by other stuff like TWSAIS >>> BW and LBG

 

[ByAsura]

That wasn't referring to TWSAIS, just the Enigma/Dominion that The Beyonders are trying to stop.

They mention this in Defenders: Beyond.

This is why it specifies that Loki saw it while crossing the threshold in Agent of Asgard #17. Loki was already in the outside by issue 16, so it's referring to them entering multiversal space-time at the start of Thor #24/end of AoA #17.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That wasn't referring to TWSAIS, just the Enigma/Dominion that The Beyonders are trying to stop.

They mention this in Defenders: Beyond.

This is why it specifies that Loki saw it while crossing the threshold in Agent of Asgard #17. Loki was already in the outside by issue 16, so it's referring to them entering multiversal space-time at the start of Thor #24/end of AoA #17.

Ah, my mistake

 

[Gasper]

Why should we ignore beyonder being the strongest being in existence?
We can easily interpret that as meaning the strongest universal abstract.

 

[ByAsura]

Argue that on the thread. You have my permission.

But The Beyonder isn't an Abstract.

 

[Gasper]

Argue that on the thread. You have my permission.

But The Beyonder isn't an Abstract, and your argument wouldn't even change anything.

I am banned.

Anyway, this is my last comment on the subject.
And yeah, sorry didn't mean that he is an abstract but more so he scales to/above universal abstracts.

 

[ByAsura]

Post-Retcon Beyonder is shown to be way below 691 TLT and Eternity, TRN909 Adam Warlock with the combined power of his universe's abstracts, even some Celestials on occasion, so that wouldn't work.

 

[Ped2018]

I am banned.

 

[Gasper]

Post-Retcon Beyonder is shown to be way below 616/691 TLT and Eternity, and even some Celestials on occasion, so that wouldn't work.

I see.

Though i have one question, do we interpret the TLT that was killed by the Beyonders to be an M-Body?

Because (if i am not mistaken) TLT made an aspect of himself called "Death of Death" after he was killed by Beyonders.
And Thanos also said Living Tribunal didn't die when talking to Adam Warlock.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Post-Retcon Beyonder is shown to be way below 691 TLT and Eternity, TRN909 Adam Warlock with the combined power of his universe's abstracts, even some Celestials on occasion, so that wouldn't work.

We should have a profile for 691 Beyonder, to be honest

 

[ByAsura]

It was his multiversal body, hence why the fighting was occurring in all dimensions simultaneously.

I'm pretty sure they mean that in the sense of TLT containing death as part of his being.

That's referring exclusively to19141's TLT, since he absorbed his universe and its abstracts. 19141's TLT wasn't actually killed by The Beyonders, unlike every other form of TLT. It's even a plot point that Adam Warlock has to replace TLT.

 

[ByAsura]

We should have a profile for 691 Beyonder, to be honest

He's just a version 616 Beyonder that didn't go through Secret Wars. I don't see a point.

 

[Gasper]

It was his multiversal body, hence why the fighting was occurring in all dimensions simultaneously.

Well, Odin fought on every plane of Existence too, Ares did as well and so did Beyonders and Celestials.
I don't think that point is valid to be honest.