The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Doctor doom CRT

 

[Gasper]

What is in ya'll opinion the biggest jobber in marvel? Imo it's living tribunal.

 

[ByAsura]

The Celestials

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Doom vs Scp-682

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I need knowledgeable members on that dr doom thread please thanks

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/question-about-chaos-king-and-hercules.152362/

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/moon-knight-revision.152364/

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/moon-knights-new-feats-and-possible-new-tier.152391/

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Doctor doom CRT

Ant mind checking this doom crt please?

I just noticed that one of his links do not work

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/knull-void-manip-addition.152421/

 

[Antvasima]

The Celestials

Agreed. It has turned near impossible to scale from them thanks to the antics of Jason Aaron and certain other writers.

 

[ByAsura]

I know we can't use databooks for statistics, but is it fine to use them for stuff like population size?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably, yes, in lack of better options.

 

[ByAsura]

Also, in this situation, should we take the 1 gigaton statement at face value, or go with the statement about vaporizing everything in a 100-mile radius and cracking open a fault line?

I prefer the latter, because it's more consistent with the character's intention.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that the second approach is much more appropriate, yes.

 

[Excellence616]

Can't believe Hulk had Pseudo Flight\Flight for 3 issues
incredible Hulk #3, 4, 5

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Agreed. It has turned near impossible to scale from them thanks to the antics of Jason Aaron and certain other writers.

What did Jason and the others do to make them job and impossible to scale. (With great power comes great irresponsibility)

give examples please thanks

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Can't believe Hulk had Pseudo Flight\Flight for 3 issues
incredible Hulk #3, 4, 5

XD

 

[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-ask-for-a-content-revision-on-spider-man.152462/

 

[Antvasima]

What did Jason and the others do to make them job and impossible to scale. (With great power comes great irresponsibility)

give examples please thanks

Well, my memory is vague at this point beyond recalling that he did it a lot back when I read his stories several years ago, but for example he let Jane Foster have as much problems with the Silver Samurai as with Odin, and let regular superheroes efficiently fight Celestials.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-ask-for-a-content-revision-on-spider-man.152462/

Thats at least the second if not the third time he makes the same thread about Spiderman going 5-B, but funny how people keep commenting on that but my thread no one does

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Well, my memory is vague at this point beyond recalling that he did it a lot back when I read his stories several years ago, but or example he let Jane Foster have as much problems with the Silver Samurai as with Odin, and let regular superheroes efficiently fight Celestials.

Regular superheroes,

the only regular superheroes I know of that can have a chance against celestials are reed (only with preptime), Sue (Only because her powers are sort of like celestial kryptonite), and doom (with prep)

seriously it’s either with prep or your powers are basically anti-celestial kryptonite. (I remember sue could hurt a celestial because her powers are basically krytponite to them) everyone else because of prep.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Jason Aaron wrote the part where Avengers 1000000 BC fought a weakened celestial but i dont think it is really a scaling problem

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Jason Aaron wrote the part where Avengers 1000000 BC fought a weakened celestial but i dont think it is really a scaling problem

Pffff your average celestial is a planet buster and is still powerful even when weakened, I don’t think the avengers stand a chance

 

[Gasper]

There is a comic scan saying celestial armour can be destroyed by nukes

 

[Antvasima]

He wrote a story where Thor, She-Hulk, Iron Man, and Ghost Rider could fight them on roughly even footing. Thor and She-Hulk were physically larger than normal, but even so.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Pffff your average celestial is a planet buster and is still powerful even when weakened, I don’t think the avengers stand a chance

He was against Odin and phoenix and agamotto its not the average avenger and again the celestial was heavily weakened almost dead actually

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Now that’s just terrible writing.

A better writing would be them being vaporized in less than a second.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

or example he let Jane Foster have as much problems with the Silver Samurai as with Odin

Tbf, she didn't struggle quite as much as against Odin, and she still soundly defeated Silver Samurai (unlike Odin, in which the fight ended in an inconclusive stalemate). Also, part of the reason she struggled might be due to her using lightning to charge up his armour.

But in the end, the Silver Samurai fight wasn't on the same scale as the Odin fight, which clearly depicted them as relative equals (as stupid as that is) with big feats like manipulating Jupiter's larger-than-Earth storm and bouncing across multiple moons, while Silver Samurai was a regular bad guy who made Jane struggle for a short while before she defeated him rather easily

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

He was against Odin and phoenix and agamotto its not the average avenger and again the celestial was heavily weakened almost dead actually

Oh you said avengers so I assumed it was the superhero team

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Oh you said avengers so I assumed it was the superhero team

It was but it was the 1000000 BC avengers team

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

He wrote a story where Thor, She-Hulk, Iron Man, and Ghost Rider could fight them on roughly even footing. Thor and She-Hulk were physically larger than normal, but even so.

Iron man had super armor so I don't think it counts

She-hulk and Thor had a mega amp from a magical item related to Ymir

Ghost Rider is Ghost Rider

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

And what about civil war 2 when a celestial was sent away because of prep time but it was still made by earth heroes and that wasnt even written by Jason

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Ghost Rider is Ghost Rider

speaking of him, ghost rider is inconsistent isn’t he sometimes?

(especially the penance stare)

 

[Antvasima]

Ymir should be nowhere near as powerful as a Celestial, much less a tiny vial of his blood. It simply made Thor and She-Hulk larger, and Iron Man used a large armor. That's pretty much it.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Now if the story had reed Richards and his prep time involved now the story would be a little bit more believable and make sense

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

speaking of him, ghost rider is inconsistent isn’t he sometimes?

(especially the penance stare)

it's inconsistent as **** although there are times when it's said that's because of his host

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

it's inconsistent as **** although there are times when it's said that's because of his host

Like sometimes it works on people who have no remorse and sometimes it doesn’t

Get your shit together marvel.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Like sometimes it works on people who have no remorse and sometimes it doesn’t

Get your shit together marvel.

Like not working on Captain Marvel

 

[Gasper]

Ymir should be nowhere near as powerful as a Celestial, much less a tiny vial of his blood. It simply made Thor and She-Hulk larger, and Iron Man used a large armor. That's pretty much it.

Celestials are THE most inconsistent characters in fiction. Sometimes they can stomp odin, fight galactus etc and sometimes they get fodderized by thor with axe amped by his own blood. Hell, he killed exitar with full power. Ymir is on odin level, he even fought surtur 1v1 as well. I think ymir could be on their level.