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Can I replace the Knull profile, with my current profile?
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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Well, as I stated within the blog page itself:
"However, this may go into calc-stacking territory, given that I do not think that all writers consider Cyclops' blasts to be speed of light. Also, lasers have burning qualities, whereas Cyclops' beams have physical impacts."
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Our current version of the page seems quite fine to me, and your quote is likely too long and your header image not sufficiently accurate regarding what Knull usually looked like.
What are all of the exact changes that you want to make in Knull's main page?
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Make a CRT for it.
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Okay. That is fine to correct then.
The third one seems fine to me.
Okay. That seems fine, if it is all that you want to do, but the quote that you use is still too long.
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Okay, can you tell me which one is too long so I can fix it?
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Finished, better yet? and do I still have to create a CRT for editing?
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Well, @Taser_Lad then responded:
"That may be true but they have been stated numerous times to be Lightspeed, even Cyclops' page on this site views them as SOL so there isn't a reason to not use that value. Even if we go by author intent at this point, the shield is shown to be smoking after its hit by the Optic Blast which would imply that there is at least some heat, proving that the author intended then to be real lasers (even though I know they aren't). So like even if we use numerous statements or showings from this particular run SOL Optic Blasts are fine to use. "
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No, using SoL for Cyclops’ beams wouldn’t be calc stacking at all. It’s using a speed that was directly stated in the comics.
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It is indeed an accurate statement. If the speed is directly stated in the source material itself, it cannot be in any reasonable scenario, calc-stacking.
The only time it is truly calc-stacking is if you use one-fanmade calculation of a speed feat to calculate another higher speed. Says so on the calc stacking page.
The only issue now is to figure out if it was aim-dodging or not, as Cap could've easily put up his shield before Cyclops fired off the lasers.
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Well really the only issue now is to find out whether Cap put up his shield before or after Cyclops fired off his beams.
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We would also need a couple of other calcs at that level, because afaik, the other calcs we have are at Massively Hypersonic+.
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Yes. However, I do recall Captain America dodging lasers in an old mid-1980s Roger Stern story when the Avengers were making their way past the technological traps of The Wizard. I even think that we calculated it once but considered the result to be an outlier.
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Cap's all over the place here, making his distance dodged and distance from the lasers at the time of him starting movement difficult.
Also, are we sure those are legit lasers? Do they reflect/refract/diffuse, and/or are they stated to be composed purely of photons/light itself or that they're stated to be beams of light?
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Spider-Man has a couple of laser dodging feats if I recall
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Quite a few but I think the question there is the same kind of aim dodging stuff, though also Spidey-Sense.
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Yes, Spider-Man has his "spider-sense", which basically grants him constant aim-dodging, and makes his combat speed much harder to determine.
Would somebody be willing to calculate Captain America's multiple lasers-dodging feat, or try to find the old VS Battles wiki blog post that I think already handled this?
Would somebody be willing to calculate Captain America's multiple lasers-dodging feat, or try to find the old VS Battles wiki blog post that I think already handled this?
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Super Skrull's page has a lot of dead links. And there is no need for "possibly higher", since the justifications fit under 5-B
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Well, I'm not sure what the scans look like, but She-Hulk is 5-B. Thor and Silver Surfer are 5-B when holding back, so Super Skrull fighting them won't be an outlier and he could scale to that unless he is actually fighting them when they are using 3-C level of power
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Well, She-Hulk is an undefined degree of far higher than that when sufficiently angry, and there has been an ongoing push to remove the 5-B holding back statistics from Thor and other characters in another revision thread, but that might be a very bad idea given how extremely inconsistent that Marvel Comics is in terms of power levels.
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True, but she is usually just 5-B, no?
Yup, I saw that. I'm just basing it on their current stats, in which I don't see much of a need for Super Skrull's "possibly higher" rating, but I could be wrong
Besides, didn't KLOL say to only scale characters to their own feats and not to Herald Tiers unless they aren't holding back?
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Yes, that is correct.
Well, you should probably wait with removing it until after the other revision is finished in any case.
It would be appreciated if you help us out there by the way.
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No problem
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What tier do we treat Unworthy Thor as on this wiki? I'm assuming it's 5-B from the characters that scale to him
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Is Unworthy Thor weaker than his usual self?
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I think so, or at least the profiles that scale to him seem to suggest that. But he has also fought
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Another thing, Odin claims Mangog doesn't hit as hard as he remembers. But he also says he barely felt his punch when he's bleeding and stuttering, so I'm guessing Odin's just being arrogant...?
I hate Jason Aaron's portrayal of Odin
I hate Jason Aaron's portrayal of Odin
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Jason Aaron should have stopped writing for Thor after the God Butcher storyline
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I would assume 5-B, but Unworthy Thor isn’t actually a key on the profile so we don’t really know for sure.
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