The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[NaturalDestroyer]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/potential-thor-feat-shaking-the-realms-of-the-world-tree.142674/

I was just about to post this here haha

 

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Man-Thing (1997) counted as a Canon or not?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

If the one above all met Spider-Man why didn’t he choose to meet anyone else.

why Spider-Man? (Is it because Spider-Man is more special than other marvel characters?)

 

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The Beyonder who appeared in Defenders: Beyond. Is it the same person as Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)? and will he get a new key? such as New era, Rebirth

 

[Antvasima]

If the one above all met Spider-Man why didn’t he choose to meet anyone else.

why Spider-Man? (Is it because Spider-Man is more special than other marvel characters?)

Probably because it was in conjunction with "One More Day", in which Joe Quesada mandated that Spider-Man should make a deal with Mephisto...

 

[Antvasima]

Is the Beyonder who appeared in Defenders: Beyond. Is it the same person as Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)? and will he get a new key? such as New era, Rebirth

It is the "child unit" post-retcon version.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question which side are you on guys?

 

[Antvasima]

During the original Marvel Comics Civil War? I am conflicted.

In real life terms it would be horrifying to have messive weapons of mass destruction run around randomly completely messing up the world and committing mass-murder without any regulation, which is Iron Man's side.

On the other hand, having the extremely corrupt human governments control them for their own self-interests would likely be even worse, which is Captain America's side.

"Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- No, YOU move."

- Captain America

 

[Newendigo]

There is a what if comic that was canon to the 616 timeline in which The Watcher showed Stark how things could have gone better if he was more honest with his approach before his first fight with cap (basically where Robothor made his debut).

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, it was a potentially good idea with some bad application methods.

 

[Recap_]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/current-beyonder-tier-upgrade-crt-and-coverup.142676/

 

[Recap_]

Should the celestials get a new key or profile?
For example, "Celestials (first generation)"

• they tear the first firmament apart and create beyonders.
• Unlike the current/the primal celestials, that are greatly scaled down.​

 

[Antvasima]

Well, a weapon of theirs damaged the First Firmament, and The Beyonders were stated to be more powerful than themselves in conjunction, which was proven during Hickman's "Time Runs Out" Avengers run.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

imma be perfectly honest, celestials should already be 1-A cuz yggdrasil is scaled badly here

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Should the celestials get a new key or profile?
For example, "Celestials (first generation)"

• they tear the first firmament apart and create beyonders.
• Unlike the current/the primal celestials, that are greatly scaled down.​

I mean, it could just be preparation so it wouldn't technically contradict anything, other than that a creation can surpass its creator in fiction.

 

[Recap_]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/phoenix-picture-addition.142594/#post-5124009

 

[Antvasima]

We would solve a lot of problems if we figure out how to separate Marvel Comics cosmology to the classic version before Reed Richards with the Ultimate Nullifier recreated the Marvel Multiverse (which was legitimately Low 1-A), and the modern version, which is a 2-B or 2-A collection of universes (going by Jonathan Hickman's "Time Runs Out" storyarc) with some established higher levels of reality on top (as established by Al Ewing, so it is likely a 1-C structure in sum total).

I think that Impress had this type of revision officially accepted a while back, or at least Confluctor told me so.

 

[Recap_]

at least Confluctor told me so.

When will he return, to this wiki or is he on vacation

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. I think that he is veryq busy IRL, but hope that he will return eventually.

 

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Galactus is HDE

 

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HDE?

Higher-Dimensional Existence

 

[Antvasima]

Galactus very well may be HDE in his true state, but here it seems like it was simply a reference to that he is not a part of the local universal space-time, and originated outside of it.

https://topstrongest.fandom.com/wiki/File:Galactus_Concept_(Marvel)9.jpg

 

[Recap_]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/chrysalis-eternity-girl-vs-molecule-man.142947/

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Input is appreciated
https://vsbattles.com/threads/apocalypse-vs-thor.142774/#post-5130760

 

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Deep space, The Superflow, The Neutral Zone, The Far Shore. in this wiki are Low 1-A, right?

 

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Odin and Surtur should is, Low 1-C, both powerful enough to destroy Asgard.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

this sounds more like a mcu thing but I was wondering which good marvel characters haven’t been on the big screen of the mcu yet? And that includes tv shows.

 

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this sounds more like a mcu thing but I was wondering which good marvel characters haven’t been on the big screen of the mcu yet? And that includes tv shows.

Man -Thing?

 

[LordTracer]

Odin and Surtur should is, Low 1-C, both powerful enough to destroy Asgard.

We don’t have Asgard at Low 1-C.

 

[Recap_]

We don’t have Asgard at Low 1-C.

It should have.

Deep space, The Superflow, The Neutral Zone, The Far Shore. in this wiki are Low 1-A, right?

and this, someone please answer me.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

It should have.

Why?

 

[Recap_]

Why?

Asgard, has been mentioned on several occasions that beyond/above area and time.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Asgard, has been mentioned on several occasions that beyond/above area and time.

by the way, he is referring to Asgard space, it doesn't mean Asgardians are higher D(Or maybe yes?)

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Sheesh

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Asgard, has been mentioned on several occasions that beyond/above area and time.

I thought being beyond space and time isn't necessarily Low 1-C?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I thought being beyond space and time isn't necessarily Low 1-C?

can be used with proper context, but the wiki now treats it as a separate space-time

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Huh. So Asgard's beyond space-time statements aren't enough to warrant Low 1-C?

It depends on how you interpret it, personally I think not although there is other evidence but that is more about the world tree

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

although there is other evidence but that is more about the world tree

Oooh. Like what?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

that was a while ago i saw it, i don't have a link and i could be remembering wrong but the space of the ten realm is the 'no-space" beyond of scale and size

 

[Antvasima]

We need good explicit evidence for Asgard not just being outside of regular space-time, but actually being infinitely superior to it, yes.