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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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In-Betweener
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Hey, would you guys mind checking out this In-Betweener Profile I made? It's not totally finished, but I'm almost done with it.
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"Let's Talk About Magic"-Part 2: Magic P&A/Potency Revision & Explanation Page
"The language of the Mystic Arts is as old as civilization. The sorcerers of antiquity called the use of this language 'spells,' but if that word offends your modern sensibilities, you can call it a program; the source code that shapes reality. We harness energy drawn from other dimensions of...
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Me right now after finally finishing the magic revisions:"Let's Talk About Magic"-Part 2: Magic P&A/Potency Revision & Explanation Page
"The language of the Mystic Arts is as old as civilization. The sorcerers of antiquity called the use of this language 'spells,' but if that word offends your modern sensibilities, you can call it a program; the source code that shapes reality. We harness energy drawn from other dimensions of...vsbattles.com
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It was a good journey, my friend. I'm glad to see it ending.
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All of the designs are trash. Hickman is trying too hard to make their designs all weird and crazy. Part of the appeal of the abstracts is that they don't look abstract. Even TOAA is just a featureless golden humanoid. It says something when the most crazy looking abstract, Eternity, looks simple compared to the G.O.D.S designs. And even still, they changed his design anyway and made it worse.
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Tomfer
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Also Deadpool gets stomped by other 9-B characters, both in skill and AP, him being comparable to Cap and Wolverine is far-fetched.
No one, both 9-B and 8-C, is comparable to Spider-man, this is obviously an outliner. Spider-man is often portrayed as the top tier street-level character and Deadpool being somewhat comparable is outlandish and should not beconsidered. At all.
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Deadpool is consistently shown as physically comparable to Wolverine (see Deadpool vs Wolverine anthology) and even bested him in combat at some points)
Same with captain America
Even if he was weaker than them, 9-B to 8-C is an absolute HUGE difference managing that he would get consistently one shot or cut stomped by them which is just not the case.
I’m not trying to wank Deadpool but him only being 9-B is just wrong.
Tomfer
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He also got stomped by Moon Knight and Daredevil, both 9-B. And he gets stomped by other 8-C like Black Panther. So still no.
Tomfer
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This... is the Ultimate verse, not 616... In the Ultimate verse, he is comparable, but not in the main verse.
Quora is not a good source for info, I use mostly for scans only.
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Sry I Messed up the Daredevil one.
For Moon knight, you are right but I think he has an issue we’re he Fights captain america so I don’t see why he’s 9-B himself (this is 616)
Honestly, Deadpool and Wolverine have like 10+ comics were they fight together and were wade is very consistently Comparable, If not slightly superior to him in terms of hand to hand combat.
Same with captain America Here, Here and Here
Tomfer
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Bro, not gonna lie, most of your scans are either outliners or bad, like really bad.
The daredevil one is obviously an outliner because one, Daredevil is fighting a Spider-man with the symbiote, Daredevil has NEVER shown to be of equal level of NORMAL Peter, imagine one with the symbiote. For Daredevil to actually put a "fight," he needed Fist ceremony amp and even with that, Daredevil had to put literally everything on his punches to make Spider-man bleed a little. And even with all of that, Spider-man was both holding back and not wanting to fight. So no, normal Daredevil is not Spider-man level.
This is just a cover of his 2006 run. In this story, Moon Knight and Cap did not fight, they had a discussion. That's it.
You want him being comparable, but you show scans of him getting beat up? Still no. Plus any Wolverine vs Deadpool fight is meh since they can harm each other without any actual problems thanks to their regen, if those fights are worth anything (each they aren't), they're regen/stamina feats.
These scans are all over the place, the first one for example, he's not fighting the real Cap, he's fighting a clone and the third one... Deadpool is getting stomped.
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For the daredevil vs Spider-Man one, Spider-Man did not have the symbiote, he just had his black suit that he kept after getting rid of venom.
Cmon now, in many of these scans he hurts him with his attacks, plus in Wolverine #154, Deadpool actually WINS against Logan. The only scan that I could get from this one his him Drawing blood from him with a kick. Even if he is weaker, him constantly hurting him and drawing blood from him on numerous occasions would not justify him being litteraly 2 whole tiers behind him. (Plus in the first scan when you say he was getting beaten up, Deadpool actually clearly got the edge once he got serious.)
Same applies to CA, although being weaker, him hurting him with attacks as seen in the third scan should wield at least 9-A. I was fine with him and other characters being at 9-A before, but them being at 9-B now just creates an awkward gap imo.
Tomfer
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Give this a read:
Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics
There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...
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Tomfer
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And Deadpool consistently gets beat up by everyone else, dude. It is what it is.
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I cam see an argument for Deadpool being higher than 9-B, but “Peak Human” characters like DD scaling to Spidey doesn’t make sense
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Tomfer
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Truth be told, all 9-B characters can become 9-A. But they already got a few more important problems to fix, for example, everyone scaling from a single speed feat, thus making everyone equal in speed. Elektra, DD and Spidey being equal to Punisher, Wolverine and Cap is a sin, lmao.
Tomfer
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"Real Comic Reader" lmao.
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Now that TWSAIS is confirmed to be the Elder Gods, shouldn't any infomations regarding them being related to The Beyonders be removed?
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From what I understand, several equally nebulous theories were raised as regards the identity of Those Who Sit Above In Shadow (I heard that Ewing even implied they feed off stories from the House of Ideas), but them being Beyonders is most consistent/reliable for the reasons explained here.
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I already think that won't happen because it seems to obvious now, they gonna make it a twist and they are actually Beyonder's mothers
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Hmm. So it is uncertain whether TWSAIS are Beyonders, elder gods, or something else then?
@Ultima_Reality
Something of interest for you perhaps?
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Something else of interest for you, Ultima.One thing I'm having trouble with in looking into certain mystic entities is figuring out how to index possible Low 1-A feats.
So a large part of the Part 1 Revisions revolved around how Slorioth, who is High 1-B, is comparable to the Vishanti, who are comparable to the likes of Galactus, cementing the High 1-B scaling chain. However, the Vishanti have feats getting them higher, such as being stated to be powerful enough to contend with Base Dormammu [Strange Academy: Finals (Vol. 1) #5; 2023].
I originally figured "I'll just resolve this by considering the Vishanti Usually High 1-B, possibly Low 1-A at peak." However, I may not be able to go down that route since the Vishanti have other feats suggesting Low 1-A scaling on a consistent basis.
Firstly, Hoggoth the Hoary (third member of the Vishanti after Oshtur and Agamotto) is stated to be a member of the Great Old Ones according to the Marvel Wiki, and based on a scan I got from Eseseso's sandboxes, Great Old Ones occupy a plane of existence similar to that of Abstracts (this would upscale Slorioth to Low 1-A too, since he's a Great Old One).
Secondly, I've mentioned this conglomerate called the "Inner Planes" a few times. To elaborate on the story behind them, the first four Inner Planes were established by the 4 surviving Elder Gods of Earth. After Chthon and Set were forced to flee Earth due to the Demogorge's onslaught, they created the Serpent's Sea and K'lay dimensions to continue influencing the planet. Oshtur wasn't around when the Elder Gods went mad and Demogorge had to slaughter them, but when she found out what happened, she created the Astral Plane to serve as a conduit for Earth's sorcerers to access divine power, after which Gaea created Avalon (Otherworld). I bring this up because this scan directly implies that the dimension of the Vishanti exists on the Astral Plane since Agamotto and Hoggoth joined her there (Marvel Universe: Map by Map).
On top of the default assumption that most characters who rule mystic dimensions scale to their realms by default, the clash between Agamotto and Galactus was stated to be wreaking havoc on other dimensions, including the dimension of the Vishanti. That's adding more implications for baseline Low 1-A Vishanti, and this feat would have to be placed in Galactus's Low 1-A rather than High 1-B justifications if the shockwaves produced by he and Agamotto's fight were affecting universes on the Astral Plane.
I'm looking for help as far as organizing these Low 1-A implications into the current accepted scaling chain which has the Vishanti at baseline High 1-B. The obvious solution would be to remove the Slorioth scaling entirely, and instead use the Infinite-Dimensional Cosmic Cube scaling, Odin and Seth's feat, and Pan-Dimensional Hell Lord scaling to establish the High 1-B scaling chain, while shifting the Vishanti to Low 1-A and the Galactus/Agamotto feat to Low 1-A, but of course, I definitely wouldn't want to haphazardly change something major in Ultima's scaling chain. Any feedback helps
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I like that Thor is drinking beer and Hercules is drinking tea, due to his old alcoholism making him careful. It is a nice touch of continuity from Al Ewing, as usual.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/109659/immortal_thor_2023_13
Its seem Nyx will return in Immortal Thor #13. I wonder if the issue will provide the information of her relationships with Elder Gods.
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What does the image show? I cannot see it.
Apparently that's a new hero-team.
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Excellence616
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Who the hell is the green guy?
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They call him Titan if im not mistaken, but as far as I know they are so new that we didn't even got to know the origin of their powers, but they are apparently "related" to the avengers, there is the "asgardian girl" Hellrune who uses lightning, the falcon Rip off Liberty, Cadet Marvel obviously somehow copying Carol, Moon Squire doesn't need introduction.
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Btw: What should we do with physically comparatively weak characters who can harm other characters far beyond their own tiers? Give Wolverine and similar characters, "High 3-A with Adamantium claws" as currently, or "High 3-A durability negation with Adamantium claws" in order to further signify that they do not actually have that much energy output?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wolverine_(Marvel_Comics)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Wolverine_(Marvel_Comics)
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I guess the first one is better. I see no reason to "further signify that they do not actually have that much energy output" if you want to clarify that even better might as well just write
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is anyone going to add conceptual manip to galactus' profile 
my thread was accepted
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i cant make the changes
my thread was accepted
Galactus Conceptual Manipulation
bro i didn't copy paste this from the g1 blog Galactus has fought conceptual abstracts many times before, however, it’s seen most clearly throughout Al Ewing’s Ultimates run. In one such example, he was able to fight Master Order and Lord Chaos in their true forms which represent the very ideas...
i cant make the changes
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Ask a green or yellow staff member to unlock his pageis anyone going to add conceptual manip to galactus' profile
my thread was accepted
Galactus Conceptual Manipulation
bro i didn't copy paste this from the g1 blog Galactus has fought conceptual abstracts many times before, however, it’s seen most clearly throughout Al Ewing’s Ultimates run. In one such example, he was able to fight Master Order and Lord Chaos in their true forms which represent the very ideas...
i cant make the changes
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really like the criticism of mcu thor in thor with roxanne thor bascially being an expy of mcu thor
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Same.
My only complaint with this series is that they're kinda doing Skurge dirty by nulling his sacrifice from when he held the line in one of the older comics to stop the forces of Hel.
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Far higher with adamantium weaponry on their AP, durability can remain the same since he can withstand strikes of that leve of output.
