The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Eseseso]

Is it necessary? I mean all the asgardians we have are gods right?

Fair enough.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Fair enough.

Btw you could just make a Marvel God physiology and then have the different physiologies of each pantheon. I think thats much more useful and if all gods are concepts they probably have a lot in common

 

[Eseseso]

Btw you could just make a Marvel God physiology and then have the different physiologies of each pantheon. I think thats much more useful and if all gods are concepts they probably have a lot in common

That'd be a lot of work, plus there's more info on Norse stuff than other pantheons, like 8 different scans saying that Asgard is beyond time and space.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That'd be a lot of work, plus there's more info on Norse stuff than other pantheons, like 8 different scans saying that Asgard is beyond time and space.

Never said it was gonna be easy, you did the magic stuff so you know how to do the hard stuff. but God physiology could be of great help to Elder gods too.

 

[Eseseso]

Never said it was gonna be easy, you did the magic stuff so you know how to do the hard stuff. but God physiology could be of great help to Elder gods too.

So I thought about it, and I changed my mind.

I'll make it mainly Gods only, with a small extra section for stuff only Asgardians have.

You're lucky I found evidence for all Gods probably having Acausality 4, not just Asgardians

 

[Excellence616]

Can this feat be calced?

I asked a Calc mod about that feat and this is what they said:

Yeah, They say the thing in the middle collapsing would do it?
Idk if it's worth calcing if youre asking me to, calc machine broke atm, can you elaborate on what Cap is actually doing?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I asked a Calc mod about that feat and this is what they said:

She is using her powers to cause multiple stars to go supernova and explode. This is what beast was saying regarding only a single star going supernova.

Later he found out she was actually causing more than just 1 star to go supernova, presumely the same thing is going to happen but now much stronger. Which leads to the scan I showed earlier

There is also this before the explosion even begun ripples caused by what Carol was doing was causing planet destruction in another galaxy and were already spreading and would reach Earth in 1 hour

I presumed this would be a galactic explosion and that we could use the distance between Earth and Andromeda as the radius of explosion

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'm questioning if the writer lost track of the story, how did the whole trials for the missing moment went? And if Storm is joining what's her card? Did they quited with that story?

 

[Antvasima]

What is said here?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

What is said here?

Storm will join the Avengers this upcoming August in 'THE AVENGERS' #17

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That sounds good.

 

[Excellence616]

She is using her powers to cause multiple stars to go supernova and explode. This is what beast was saying regarding only a single star going supernova.

Later he found out she was actually causing more than just 1 star to go supernova, presumely the same thing is going to happen but now much stronger. Which leads to the scan I showed earlier

There is also this before the explosion even begun ripples caused by what Carol was doing was causing planet destruction in another galaxy and were already spreading and would reach Earth in 1 hour

I presumed this would be a galactic explosion and that we could use the distance between Earth and Andromeda as the radius of explosion

Captain Marvel destroy parts of 4 galaxies

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[Tomfer]

A bunch of cameos in DOOM #1, including Moon Knight.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Captain Marvel destroy parts of 4 galaxies

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That's great I like that he used Large Magellanic Cloud= 5000 Because in marvel Hala which is one of the planets in the radius mentioned on the scan is supposedly on that galaxy. The other planet mentioned is Chandlar which unfortunatly it's on Shi'ar galaxy which obviously is fictional galaxy.
I like the first end better but both are higher than I thought

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

A bunch of cameos in DOOM #1, including Moon Knight.

Bruh why so many people there to fight Galactus thats overkill, Squirl girl is there so thats more than enough.

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, Doom #1 was convoluted and confusing, which sucks because the characters of Doom and Valeria were great and some of the fight scenes (mainly at the end) were cool, as were the lines.

Doom always has great lines.

 

[Excellence616]

Would this help upgrade Herald Characters?

A enslaved Galactus of a possible future states that Kala's New Power will destroy the cosmos, and all things of the past, present and future. (Realm of Kings- Son of Hulk #2)

This was later found to be the alternative future where Kala's "Hulk" form was activated- which hadn't occurred before due to it requiring not rage, but love, in order to work. Kala was later forced to kill the only person he loved in order to stop this future from happening and eliminating the universe.
(Realm of Kings- Son of Hulk #2)

Hiro-Kala can creates a field of Old Power powerful enough to cover the distance between two universes, blocking the Enigma Force from being used. (Incredible Hulks- Enigma Force #1)

It is explained that Hiro-Kala will eventually use Galactus as a living weapon to destroy the universe in a alternative timeline. (Realm of Kings- Son of Hulk #4)

It was explained that the Old Power is essentially the counterbalance to the Power Cosmic, and it can effect the universe. (Son of Hulk #15)

Thor spins Mjolnir and matches Bill spinning Stormbreaker on Earth, creating a vortex to overpower the cosmic storms surrounding Asgard, sending its army back home (Mighty Thor #359)

Thor spins Mjolnir to conquer the cosmic storms between Asgard and Midgard under his own power (Mighty Thor #373)

And when you double the striking power of Mjolnir? You get a shockwave of enchanted energy that reverberates throughout "the length and breadth of the entire cosmos" and "simultaneously across all planes of reality!" (Thor #439)

• Destroys the Illuminatrix, and undoes its influence across the universe (Silver Surfer Vol 8 3)
• Unaffected from paying the magical price of Doctor Strange transmuting a hell dimension into a meadow, which would result in an agonizing death for a normal person - Doctor Strange #384

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Upgrade to what? And heralds are very inconsistent.

 

[Excellence616]

Upgrade to what? And heralds are very inconsistent.

Yeah. Maybe 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

We cannot scale from alternate timelines.

 

[Eseseso]

We cannot scale from alternate timelines.

Basically.

Ultima says that there is only an exception for Abstracts, since they're usually the same across the realities unless shown as such.

 

[Dust_Collector]

So all this super higher dimensional magic stuff is cool and all but I prefer to make CRT's for the more quaint stuff, just wanna get input for this simple dracula addition.

 

[Excellence616]

We cannot scale from alternate timelines.

Yeah. but not all of the feats there are alternate timeline:

Hiro-Kala can creates a field of Old Power powerful enough to cover the distance between two universes, blocking the Enigma Force from being used. (Incredible Hulks- Enigma Force #1)

It was explained that the Old Power is essentially the counterbalance to the Power Cosmic, and it can effect the universe. (Son of Hulk #15)


Thor spins Mjolnir to conquer the cosmic storms between Asgard and Midgard under his own power (Mighty Thor #373)

And when you double the striking power of Mjolnir? You get a shockwave of enchanted energy that reverberates throughout "the length and breadth of the entire cosmos" and "simultaneously across all planes of reality!" (Thor #439)

• Destroys the Illuminatrix, and undoes its influence across the universe (Silver Surfer Vol 8 3)
• Unaffected from paying the magical price of Doctor Strange transmuting a hell dimension into a meadow, which would result in an agonizing death for a normal person - Doctor Strange #384

 

[Tomfer]

Little off current topic, but I like the idea of putting the actual values of AP and Speed on our profiles under notes. If someone gives me all of the calcs that we use to scale and staff permission to update profiles, I might start doing that.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Little off current topic, but I like the idea of putting the actual values of AP and Speed on our profiles under notes. If someone gives me all of the calcs that we use to scale and staff permission to update profiles, I might start doing that.

Pretty sure they are likely on Marvel page
The most used is probably the 5-B (1.2 Yottatons) and 8-C (0.31 tons), there is the 3-C calc that is for Heralds and basically anyone scaling with Thor I think 63 Zettafoe.

 

[Tomfer]

I've done an example with Shang-Chi's profile. Look near his AP and Speed to see.

 

[Tomfer]

Pretty sure they are likely on Marvel page

Yeah, I'm aware but there are characters that either downscales or upscales from the values. That's my main concern atm.

 

[Excellence616]

I've done an example with Shang-Chi's profile. Look near his AP and Speed to see.

When you are adding Notes like that, you should add it to the reference of the AP or speed like so

Galaxy level (Matched blows with Hyperion.[59] Defeated Gladiator[60][Notes 5]),

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yeah, I'm aware but there are characters that either downscales or upscales from the values. That's my main concern atm.

That is a case by case and some of the characters's profile were made years ago and no one even remembers how exacly they scale to.
I have been using notes I already added it to captain marvel and rogue when I revised their profiles

 

[Tomfer]

When you are adding Notes like that, you should add it to the reference of the AP or speed like so

Fair enough.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Fair enough.

Building level physically (Can fight Cable[Note 1] and Bishop, although he's depicted to be somewhat weaker[1][2])

At the end of the justification like this

Building level physically (Can fight Cable and Bishop, although he's depicted to be somewhat weaker[1][2][Note 1])

 

[Tomfer]

At the end of the justification like this

I've put it closer to Cable because he's the one with the calculated feat, not Bishop.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I've put it closer to Cable because he's the one with the calculated feat, not Bishop.

the point of adding the note is to not have to search for any calc because its linked right there with the value, there is no point in being closer ot cable or bishop

 

[Tomfer]

the point of adding the note is to not have to search for any calc because its linked right there with the value, there is no point in being closer ot cable or bishop

But... Nobody needs to look for it since it's right there? It's about giving the information that value comes from Cable, but whatever.

 

[Tomfer]

Also, speaking of calcs, I might make a CRT about upscaling all Spider characters to Hypersonic+ since they're treated as faster than normal street level characters.

 

[Tomfer]

Also, speaking of calcs, I might make a CRT about upscaling all Spider characters to Hypersonic+ since they're treated as faster than normal street level characters.

Spider-characters small upgrade (Marvel Comics)

Spider-man (and pratically every other Spider-character) has been treated to be faster than most street level characters, his speed tab already has some pretty good examples. So I'll offer to upscale all Spider-heroes from Mach 8.23 to Mach 10, Hypersonic+ baseline. (That's probably going to...

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[Suigetsuhyugs]

I could use your advice regarding Nico Minoru and the staff of one. I was updating her profile and I found this

far higher (The Staff of One's full power is supposedly capable of causing fear on Dormammu[64], who tried to steal the staff but was defeated by Nico with Doctor Strange's help[65])

The first part about causing fear on dormamu was already on the profile and could easily be an hyperbole but Dormamu actually tried to steal the staff and was actually affected by the possibility of Strange getting hold of it. It seems kind of an exaggeration for the staff to actually scale on Dormammu but at the same time he was somehow "defeated" by it's power, would the staff be tier 1 or just have Sorceror supreme level of magic?

 

[Eseseso]

I could use your advice regarding Nico Minoru and the staff of one. I was updating her profile and I found this

The first part about causing fear on dormamu was already on the profile and could easily be an hyperbole but Dormamu actually tried to steal the staff and was actually affected by the possibility of Strange getting hold of it. It seems kind of an exaggeration for the staff to actually scale on Dormammu but at the same time he was somehow "defeated" by it's power, would the staff be tier 1 or just have Sorceror supreme level of magic?

Probably the latter, since it was shown out haxxing him.

That said, I'm very much not sure that she herself can use magic on that level.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Probably the latter, since it was shown out haxxing him.

That said, I'm very much not sure that she herself can use magic on that level.

Just for being able to affect Dormammu, but overall I agree with you, I can see the staff of one being tier 1 but Nico with staff herself not so much, although technically she doesn't use magic its the being inside the staff that turns Nico's words into a spell.