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The Power of Light vs The Power of Hope
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PoH Kratos was absolutely blood-lusted essentially until he killed Zeus
TheKingStrategist13
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Yeah, I'm not the biggest GOW expert but fighting Sora seems immensely ooc for Kratos.
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It's not inherently part of the power, but that's how he essentially was when he did have that power iirc
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thats not accepted yet
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No amount of bloodlusting will ever make Kratos touch a kid. This Kratos was the most wracked with guilt because Pandora died. Like, Hope literally triggered inside of him because of Pandora and his family, the last thing he would ever do is repeat the same mistake of killing a kid for personal gain with the ultimate power-up.
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Isn't that shit still pending?
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Hence why I added in the OP that he's willing to fight Sora.
Not necessarily kill Sora, just fight him.
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Would it even be an addable matchup then?
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I mean he could still defeat him without killing him.
If that still wouldn't make it addable, I would make Kratos go OOC but only if need be.
Bobsican
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Currently it is taken as accepted, a CRT would be required to render it unusable, I recall that the KH layers CRT got them accepted as scaling to the cosmology as is, for instance.
Anyways, I guess this is not immediately a stomp either way as Sora's main stuff only triggers after dealing significant damage, so a proper battle of some kind should ensue.
I'll wait for whatever arguments are done for Kratos fighting wise before I pull the same kind of stuff for Sora, especially as I'm not on a PC now.
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Bussin
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dawg you literally made a CRT on it and a staff disagreed so far
Bobsican
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Still not conclusive, plus that was another CRT compared to the other one that did get accepted.
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Invalid matchup
Georredannea15
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dude what's going on here.
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1. I am fairly sure that hasn't been accepted, at least with a recent CRT I've seen being disagreed on.
2. He doesn't beat up kids, yeah. Especially ones that don't really seem like the sort to kill everything around them.
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Well guess the match is just Kratos calling Sora boy then I guess lol
Georredannea15
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How? Kratos has conceptual invulnerability and immunity Type 1, Sora won't even be able to interact with him. Because Kratos, that concept itself and the concept of hope have completely permeated his soul, mind and body.
No matter how higher layers hax are, you cannot interact/damage Kratos with anything other than Plot on a same dimensional plane. (This two hax technically works like a TD2 and Aca5, that's what makes Kratos stupidly broken anyway.) These were already discussed in revisions but I don't know why no one offered these haxs.
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That is one of the most NLF things I have ever read. If that was actually what was accepted, than it's extremely wrong since nothing in the story implies that he is immune to anything aside from Plot Hax.
Georredannea15
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Read through the revision. Kratos gained his immunity by being purged of all concepts and fear(Type 1 concepts), and immunity is the highest level of resistance.(The page clearly states this.) It is clearly written in his profile that he is immune and invulnerable to all type 1 conceptual attacks.
The game also made it clear that it is immune to all concepts and that Zeus cannot interact with it in any way, not just conceptually. In short, this is not NLF.
Immunity works like a technical TD, so any conceptual hax, no matter how higher layered, will not be able to affect it, and when this immunity is combined with conceptual invulnerability, it becomes both immune and non-interactable. That's what makes Kratos "Kratos" anyway.(Ofc it's not a TD2 or higher level aca but this two hax working "like" TD2 and higher level Aca)
These have already been specifically discussed and gone over in the revisions.
In short, you become truly broken and invincible, but Plot hax ruins everything.
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Georredannea15
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This is also what TD provides, so someone with TD will be immune to Type 1 conceptual manipulations (no matter how many layers they have)
That's the case with Kratos, and combined with this conceptual Invulnerability, it's nearly impossible to effect/interact him.
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TD involves being above and beyond dual systems. This is not how Hope works. Nothing in GoW involves going above and beyond dualities.
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Having Immunity to Conceptual Manipuation doesn't mean that the character is immune to anything aside from Plot Hax. That's extremely NLF to assume such a thing.
In the previous comment you specifically said:
This means that, according to you, any hax that gets thrown at him will be useless unless it's Plot Hax, which is not true at all.
And aside from that, Plot Hax is not "superior" to all the other haxes, it all depends on how it's used. It has been already established multiple times.
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Georr, just wait for @Planck69 to make a statement.
Also, this immunity is explicitly for Conceptual and Abstract bullshit (Plus the Empathic BS), it doesn't just handwave away other hax just because. He still can't resist BFR or do anything about NEP. And now we're talking about Transduality, surpassing dualities, out of nowhere? What gives?
Also, this immunity is explicitly for Conceptual and Abstract bullshit (Plus the Empathic BS), it doesn't just handwave away other hax just because. He still can't resist BFR or do anything about NEP. And now we're talking about Transduality, surpassing dualities, out of nowhere? What gives?
Georredannea15
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Yes, you cannot interact with Kratos, as Kratos is the concept itself, and his mind, body, and spirit are completely covered by this concept. If you nothıng do to this concepts, you also nothing do to Kratos
I don't see anything that could really hurt Kratos without plot and BFR.
Georredannea15
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Uhhhhhh... Not really a Transduality Type 2 being. KLOL read carefully I'm saying these hax work just like TD2. It's not TD2, just the working principles and the features it provides are almost the same. And NEP type 2 just for defence, not offense.
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Ehhh no. He's still an embodiment of a concept, only made uninteractible to other Type 1 concepts. Otherwise he'd be Type 1 AE by now.
That's just AE Type 2 on steroids.
Use more smurf and obscure shit on him I suppose.
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