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The Phantom Thieves In Your Verse
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Pokemon doesn't have many notably impure-hearted people, but it does have some.
His palace? Perhaps a world where criminals, Team Rocket especially, reign supreme, with all the strong Pokemon & anything rare & valuable for themselves, with everyone else as the weak victims.
Perhaps, though, he might seem disconnected from Team Rocket, even in his palace; He separated from them for years, frustrated at constantly losing to kids, & refused Team Rocket's pleas for him to return. Truly a boss working within the shadows. So much so that even in his dreams, he doesn't help his minions.
& perhaps there's a phantom or two of some resentful, lonely stranger he knew at first, but chose not to live with.
His treasure? Perhaps something of great value? Maybe the Master Ball, which he had a deal with the president of Silph Co. to be given. Might be some mafia bribery/blackmailing involved. Or perhaps something related to Mewtwo? Mewtwo's ball? Its power restraining suit? Or just treasure?
Their palaces might feature their ideal terraformed world. Their treasures are almost certainly the Blue & Red Orb, respectively, since those are what can awaken, &, if paired correctly, control the Legendary Pokemon they desire.
His palace?
I can imagine this as an oppressive world. He separates people from Pokemon because he believes only he should have power. What about Personas? & even those who serve him might be no better off, being just pawns, & those with empathy being cast out as freaks like he did with his son, N.
His treasure?
Perhaps 1 or both of the Dragon Stones (The Light Stone or Dark Stone) that are the sealed forms of Reshiram & Zekrom. Or perhaps the DNA Splicer, which lets him fuse Kyurem. Perhaps his cane? For with its device, Poke Balls can't capture Pokemon, denying others a means of bonding with a new friend.
His palace?
Lysandre seeks eternal beauty, yet considers humanity flawed, if not evil, & sees Pokemon as glorious, yet misunfortunate beings doomed to be abused as tools by evil humans.
Thus, his palace might have only people he approves of, & might be a truly beautiful sight.... But utterly devoid of people, Pokemon or other creatures, or perhaps filled with monsters that reflect such ideals.
His treasure?
Lysandre has his cybernetic suit, but it was just a desperate means to an end. His Mega Stone, Mega Ring, or Key Stone? Not after rejecting the idea that his Pokemon Mega Evolving was through a strength of bond. So perhaps the coccoon holding Xerneas or Yveltal, or perhaps the Key to the Ultimate Weapon? The Ultimate Weapon itself? The 2-button switch for it that you're always mislead about having the chance to prevent the Ultimate Weapon from firing? Perhaps, the Holo Caster, for it was his invention, which he constantly used to try & recruit people into Team Flare, for his cause?
I'm unsure.
Her palace?
Lusamine values beauty... or so she claims. Ultimately, she began fixating on Ultra Space, Nihilego, & seemingly even tried to make her daughter, Lillie, look more like Nihilego through Lillie's clothes.
For such an individual, it might be filled with rare, & beautiful creatures... yet many of them frozen, or forced to be remade in a way she likes, perhaps gradually converging towards appearances more like what she prefers, & towards the alien like many Ultra Beasts are... for better or worse.
& there's probably SOMETHING about her neglected/separated family in there.
Her treasure?
Many of the things she treasures most are beings, even if she treats them as objects. Nihilego, which she fused with? Or maybe Cosmog, which Lillie stole from the Aether Foundation, & which evolved under Lillie's care to side with the player & fight against Lusamine's madness.
Perhaps a frozen Pokemon? Some of her equipment? A keep sake of one of the family members, perhaps?
His palace?
If Rose has any theme, it's his overzealous striving for prosperity, desperately fixated on an energy crisis a milennia in the future of the land he loves, which he likely won't even live to see, & uncompromising about trying to take action about it, even though that means of generating energy... is unleashing Eternatus, & with it, a catastrophic event. He loves his world, but he fears the future, irrationally.
I think a palace themed by the psyche of this man would show a beautiful, idyllic world, yet constrated by nonstop working, perfectionism to the point of madness & paranoia, with themes of fear & dread as the seconds pass.
His treasure?
It's not clear, but perhaps it might be one or more Wishing Stones, the fragments of Eternatus he acted like he intended to use as an alternate energy source, yet he used to awaken Eternatus, which brought about the eternatus.
Wow, that took forever to type! Hopefully folks find it at least somewhat interesting, though I can understand if folks might think it's a bit too wordy.
Oh gosh, what a clustertruck of criss-crossed backstories.
He's always a crime lord, but in the anime, we don't see much of what Team Rocket does outside of Kanto, Johto, & sometimes some stuff in Unova. From time to time, he gets frustrating reports from Jessie & James. If someone else wants to tackle what Giovanni (Anime) is like, there's plenty of info to get you started.
In the games, he's still a crime lord, but after getting beaten by the kid trainer protagonist, he is shocked & frustrated, though he has respect for the ones that can defeat him. Eventually, at the gym where he intended to rebuild Team Rocket, he loses, & decides to dedicate his life to studying Pokemon (RBY), or retraining (FR/LG). He's cruel, thinks of himself as the best trainer, & that all Pokemon exist for Team Rocket - With the strong as tools for crime to fuel his empire.
3 years later, when Team Rocket pleads for his return to reunite them by radio, HG/SS shows he heard it from in hiding in Tohjo Falls, but he refuses. (& is also beaten by the protagonist at the same time as the protagonist beating the rest of Team Rocket at the Radio Tower, thanks to time travel, lol.)
& of course, he has his abandoned son, Silver.
As Rainbow Rocket Giovanni, he wants to build an army of Ultra Beasts, & with the other criminal teams already united under him as is, go to other worlds to conquer them.
He's always a crime lord, but in the anime, we don't see much of what Team Rocket does outside of Kanto, Johto, & sometimes some stuff in Unova. From time to time, he gets frustrating reports from Jessie & James. If someone else wants to tackle what Giovanni (Anime) is like, there's plenty of info to get you started.
In the games, he's still a crime lord, but after getting beaten by the kid trainer protagonist, he is shocked & frustrated, though he has respect for the ones that can defeat him. Eventually, at the gym where he intended to rebuild Team Rocket, he loses, & decides to dedicate his life to studying Pokemon (RBY), or retraining (FR/LG). He's cruel, thinks of himself as the best trainer, & that all Pokemon exist for Team Rocket - With the strong as tools for crime to fuel his empire.
3 years later, when Team Rocket pleads for his return to reunite them by radio, HG/SS shows he heard it from in hiding in Tohjo Falls, but he refuses. (& is also beaten by the protagonist at the same time as the protagonist beating the rest of Team Rocket at the Radio Tower, thanks to time travel, lol.)
& of course, he has his abandoned son, Silver.
As Rainbow Rocket Giovanni, he wants to build an army of Ultra Beasts, & with the other criminal teams already united under him as is, go to other worlds to conquer them.
His palace? Perhaps a world where criminals, Team Rocket especially, reign supreme, with all the strong Pokemon & anything rare & valuable for themselves, with everyone else as the weak victims.
Perhaps, though, he might seem disconnected from Team Rocket, even in his palace; He separated from them for years, frustrated at constantly losing to kids, & refused Team Rocket's pleas for him to return. Truly a boss working within the shadows. So much so that even in his dreams, he doesn't help his minions.
& perhaps there's a phantom or two of some resentful, lonely stranger he knew at first, but chose not to live with.
His treasure? Perhaps something of great value? Maybe the Master Ball, which he had a deal with the president of Silph Co. to be given. Might be some mafia bribery/blackmailing involved. Or perhaps something related to Mewtwo? Mewtwo's ball? Its power restraining suit? Or just treasure?
Well, each leads their own team. Aqua & Magma, respectively, & each is an ecoterrorist; Archie wants to expand the sea, & Maxie wants to expand the land. Both seek control of a Legendary Pokemon, but while they awaken it, they enrage it, & the player character calms it down. Eventually, both disband their teams. The two resent each other, & after defeat by the player character, are on friendlier terms to the player character.
Their palaces might feature their ideal terraformed world. Their treasures are almost certainly the Blue & Red Orb, respectively, since those are what can awaken, &, if paired correctly, control the Legendary Pokemon they desire.
Cyrus is the leader of the criminal gang Team Galactic. But even to many of them, his goals aren't always clear.
The anime presents him as a rich businessman, who made most of the buildings throughout Sinnoh. Of course, this is just a front, & mostly an anime detail anyway.
We learn from the games he is an asocial nihilist, who preferred the company of machines to people, & a was great student who didn't meet his parents' expectations, leaving Cyrus feeling rejected, nor did his grandfather take him in "in his time of need".
Later, he decided emotions were the source of all strife in the world. Thus, his goal: Gain the power of Dialga &/or Palkia, so that he can destroy the world. Not just the world, but especially, emotions & "spirit", & then, with no universe left, have it be reborn with him as God, to rule over a "perfect" world, devoid of emotion & spirit. Even after being defeated by the player, & later, even when Giratina abducts him into The Distortion World, & then the player defeating him once more, he still persists in his goal. His final defeat simply has him walk off deeper into The Distortion World, never to be seen again, even on return visits.
His Rainbow Rocket self brings Dialga OR Palkia, & initially wonders if this world is his ideal world... but senses the player character's strong spirit, & sees that even Rotomdex, a Pokedex, has spirit. He realizes upon Rotom's suggestion that the source of the player's strength is their friendship with all Pokémon, and promises that he will not do anything to the game's world, deciding instead to return to the perfect world that he created. leaves peacefully after his defeat.
The anime presents him as a rich businessman, who made most of the buildings throughout Sinnoh. Of course, this is just a front, & mostly an anime detail anyway.
We learn from the games he is an asocial nihilist, who preferred the company of machines to people, & a was great student who didn't meet his parents' expectations, leaving Cyrus feeling rejected, nor did his grandfather take him in "in his time of need".
Later, he decided emotions were the source of all strife in the world. Thus, his goal: Gain the power of Dialga &/or Palkia, so that he can destroy the world. Not just the world, but especially, emotions & "spirit", & then, with no universe left, have it be reborn with him as God, to rule over a "perfect" world, devoid of emotion & spirit. Even after being defeated by the player, & later, even when Giratina abducts him into The Distortion World, & then the player defeating him once more, he still persists in his goal. His final defeat simply has him walk off deeper into The Distortion World, never to be seen again, even on return visits.
His Rainbow Rocket self brings Dialga OR Palkia, & initially wonders if this world is his ideal world... but senses the player character's strong spirit, & sees that even Rotomdex, a Pokedex, has spirit. He realizes upon Rotom's suggestion that the source of the player's strength is their friendship with all Pokémon, and promises that he will not do anything to the game's world, deciding instead to return to the perfect world that he created. leaves peacefully after his defeat.
His palace?
Depends how you interpret it. A positive portrayal might have a world devoid of strife, where no one has emotion to start conflicts, & perhaps, everyone is part, or even all machine & well-learned.
A negative portrayal might have his palace bitter & full of strife, tainted by the rejection & abandonment by his family, & full of conflict always started by emotion; After all, in theory, not everyone's goals can align, so not everyone can achieve happiness, right?
& what of Team Galactic in his world? Are they his fervent followers? Or mechanical puppets, following mindlessly?
Or perhaps the "people" of this "palace" don't matter? Nothing matters.
Perhaps Cyrus would even RESENT his palace; It is born from emotions, something he wants removed -Hypocrite that he is, for want... "desire" is an emotion, too.- at the core of his being. Yet his palace is born of his inner psyche & his FEELINGS, right?
I think I would pity Cyrus a little more than I do already, knowing he's trapped in a world like that, where he must face the idea that the very core of his being is the one thing he wants gone the most, & all his goals & efforts, too, are driven by that which he wants gone. & if he does hate emotion, what resolution can he be brought, through his psyche?
Joy? Repentance? Sadness? All are emotion, something I doubt he'd like being forced to accept having.
Depends how you interpret it. A positive portrayal might have a world devoid of strife, where no one has emotion to start conflicts, & perhaps, everyone is part, or even all machine & well-learned.
A negative portrayal might have his palace bitter & full of strife, tainted by the rejection & abandonment by his family, & full of conflict always started by emotion; After all, in theory, not everyone's goals can align, so not everyone can achieve happiness, right?
& what of Team Galactic in his world? Are they his fervent followers? Or mechanical puppets, following mindlessly?
Or perhaps the "people" of this "palace" don't matter? Nothing matters.
Perhaps Cyrus would even RESENT his palace; It is born from emotions, something he wants removed -Hypocrite that he is, for want... "desire" is an emotion, too.- at the core of his being. Yet his palace is born of his inner psyche & his FEELINGS, right?
I think I would pity Cyrus a little more than I do already, knowing he's trapped in a world like that, where he must face the idea that the very core of his being is the one thing he wants gone the most, & all his goals & efforts, too, are driven by that which he wants gone. & if he does hate emotion, what resolution can he be brought, through his psyche?
Joy? Repentance? Sadness? All are emotion, something I doubt he'd like being forced to accept having.
His treasure?
I think there are several possible treasures. The Master Ball was researched by Team Galactic, but deemed not capable of both capturing Dialga or Palkia AND also allowing them to use their full power that he "needed"; Like the world he faces, it is imperfect for his purposes.
The Lustrous Orb powers up Palkia, & The Adamant Orb powers up Dialga.... But they are also what can call forth their respective Pokemon, hence Team Galactic stealing them to bring them to Spear Pillar.
& lastly, there is the Red Chain &/or The Artificial Red Chain; 1 is made from gems extracted from the bodies of the Lake Guardians, Mesprit, Uxie & Azelf, & 1 is made by copying the other via artificial means, IIRC. While the orbs summon & empower Dialga & Palkia, these are also what allow Cyrus to control Dialga &/or Palkia. In a sense, the Red Chains might align with his themes; To oppose a madman like him would be natural for Dialga & Palkia, the Pokemon of Time & Space. The Red Chains would suppress those desires. Those emotions. But on the other hand, they are also made from the Pokemon responsible for creating emotion & spirit, as well as willpower & knowledge. I think Cyrus might resent having to involve something made from what created emotion for his goals. Or perhaps he likes the irony of using that to subvert emotions for his goals.
It's interesting what his treasure might be.
I think there are several possible treasures. The Master Ball was researched by Team Galactic, but deemed not capable of both capturing Dialga or Palkia AND also allowing them to use their full power that he "needed"; Like the world he faces, it is imperfect for his purposes.
The Lustrous Orb powers up Palkia, & The Adamant Orb powers up Dialga.... But they are also what can call forth their respective Pokemon, hence Team Galactic stealing them to bring them to Spear Pillar.
& lastly, there is the Red Chain &/or The Artificial Red Chain; 1 is made from gems extracted from the bodies of the Lake Guardians, Mesprit, Uxie & Azelf, & 1 is made by copying the other via artificial means, IIRC. While the orbs summon & empower Dialga & Palkia, these are also what allow Cyrus to control Dialga &/or Palkia. In a sense, the Red Chains might align with his themes; To oppose a madman like him would be natural for Dialga & Palkia, the Pokemon of Time & Space. The Red Chains would suppress those desires. Those emotions. But on the other hand, they are also made from the Pokemon responsible for creating emotion & spirit, as well as willpower & knowledge. I think Cyrus might resent having to involve something made from what created emotion for his goals. Or perhaps he likes the irony of using that to subvert emotions for his goals.
It's interesting what his treasure might be.
Ghetsis is an awful father, & a man with a manipulative heart. Supposedly, he was even learning ways to manipulate the hearts of people. His whole scheme has him & his son, N, acting against Team Plasma, when in fact, they are pawns to Ghetsis, & he sees his son, who was gifted with the ability to speak to & read the hearts of Pokemon, as being "without a human heart". Indeed, N does betray him, & the two hardly have a father-son bond.
Ghetsis's goal is to separate Pokemon & humans, rallying humans under a facade that their relationship is bad -The irony-, while Team Plasma steals the Pokemon. All the while, he uses this to consolidate power for himself, with the end goal of living in a world where he is the only one with Pokemon, & thus, the only one with power.
Even after being defeated by, the player character, despite Ghetsis obtaining Reshiram, the Pokemon of Truth, or Zekrom, the Pokemon of Ideals, he still escapes, & returns a couple of years later, when Team Plasma has fractured into those who still follow N & wish to atone by helping people & Pokemon who were separated, & the members of Team Plasma who remain loyal to Ghetsis's goal of world conquest.
This time, he lures N, who brings Zekrom or Reshiram, & the player character, who brings the other of the Legendary pair, into a trap. Revealing his plan to have Kyurem, the remnants of the original dragon that was once made of Kyurem, Zekrom & Reshiram, he plans to freeze all of Unova. Telling Kyurem to freeze the player character solid with the move Glaciate, N, his own son, intercepts it... all part of his plan. Berating N for causing Unova's impending fate through N's refusal to be Ghetsis's pawn before, he turns N's Pokemon into a stone, & fuses it with Kyurem, creating either Kyurem-Black or Kyurem-White.
Using a device in his cane to interfere with the signal of Poke Balls to prevent them from capturing it. Ghetsis has the fused Kyurem attack the player character, telling them to fight it.
After fused Kyurem's defeat, Ghetsis goes berserk, challenging the player with his own team, & loses, prompting a mental breakdown where he violently rejects N's compassion towards him. His loyal Shadow Triad help him escape, as they have before, & later inform the player that Ghetsis has lost his heart and is no longer mentally capable of any further criminal deeds, finally ending his threat to Unova.
& in Rainbow Rocket? Like the others, in the world he came from, he succeeded in separating Pokemon from humans, & believes why he was summoned is to do so in this world, too, consolidating power so he can rule all of existence. Thus, he plans to use Giovanni as a pawn, thinking a human with an evil nature will be easier to manipulate than his son, N, "a freak without a human heart".
To prevent them interfering, he challenges the player with Reshiram or Zekrom, & when he loses, refuses to accept defeat, attacks & kidnaps Lillie, later demanding the others drop their Poke Balls for her safety, her only being safe when this world's Colress -A scientist & former servant of this world's Ghetsis- rescues Lillie, &, pronouncing his utter hatred of him, uses a device he built to warp Ghetsis away.
Most other Pokemon villains have redeeming qualities. Giovanni could respect his opponent in defeat, & couldn't bring himself to lead when he'd lost. Archie & Maxie were misguided, & Cyrus was a victim of rejection, abandonment & disillusionment.
But Ghetsis is selfish, deceitful, abusive, & seems driven only by a lust for his own power & his pride, with others being pawns or worthless to him. The Legendary Pokemon represented truth & ideals, but he seemed like he didn't care about either.
Ghetsis's goal is to separate Pokemon & humans, rallying humans under a facade that their relationship is bad -The irony-, while Team Plasma steals the Pokemon. All the while, he uses this to consolidate power for himself, with the end goal of living in a world where he is the only one with Pokemon, & thus, the only one with power.
Even after being defeated by, the player character, despite Ghetsis obtaining Reshiram, the Pokemon of Truth, or Zekrom, the Pokemon of Ideals, he still escapes, & returns a couple of years later, when Team Plasma has fractured into those who still follow N & wish to atone by helping people & Pokemon who were separated, & the members of Team Plasma who remain loyal to Ghetsis's goal of world conquest.
This time, he lures N, who brings Zekrom or Reshiram, & the player character, who brings the other of the Legendary pair, into a trap. Revealing his plan to have Kyurem, the remnants of the original dragon that was once made of Kyurem, Zekrom & Reshiram, he plans to freeze all of Unova. Telling Kyurem to freeze the player character solid with the move Glaciate, N, his own son, intercepts it... all part of his plan. Berating N for causing Unova's impending fate through N's refusal to be Ghetsis's pawn before, he turns N's Pokemon into a stone, & fuses it with Kyurem, creating either Kyurem-Black or Kyurem-White.
Using a device in his cane to interfere with the signal of Poke Balls to prevent them from capturing it. Ghetsis has the fused Kyurem attack the player character, telling them to fight it.
After fused Kyurem's defeat, Ghetsis goes berserk, challenging the player with his own team, & loses, prompting a mental breakdown where he violently rejects N's compassion towards him. His loyal Shadow Triad help him escape, as they have before, & later inform the player that Ghetsis has lost his heart and is no longer mentally capable of any further criminal deeds, finally ending his threat to Unova.
& in Rainbow Rocket? Like the others, in the world he came from, he succeeded in separating Pokemon from humans, & believes why he was summoned is to do so in this world, too, consolidating power so he can rule all of existence. Thus, he plans to use Giovanni as a pawn, thinking a human with an evil nature will be easier to manipulate than his son, N, "a freak without a human heart".
To prevent them interfering, he challenges the player with Reshiram or Zekrom, & when he loses, refuses to accept defeat, attacks & kidnaps Lillie, later demanding the others drop their Poke Balls for her safety, her only being safe when this world's Colress -A scientist & former servant of this world's Ghetsis- rescues Lillie, &, pronouncing his utter hatred of him, uses a device he built to warp Ghetsis away.
Most other Pokemon villains have redeeming qualities. Giovanni could respect his opponent in defeat, & couldn't bring himself to lead when he'd lost. Archie & Maxie were misguided, & Cyrus was a victim of rejection, abandonment & disillusionment.
But Ghetsis is selfish, deceitful, abusive, & seems driven only by a lust for his own power & his pride, with others being pawns or worthless to him. The Legendary Pokemon represented truth & ideals, but he seemed like he didn't care about either.
His palace?
I can imagine this as an oppressive world. He separates people from Pokemon because he believes only he should have power. What about Personas? & even those who serve him might be no better off, being just pawns, & those with empathy being cast out as freaks like he did with his son, N.
His treasure?
Perhaps 1 or both of the Dragon Stones (The Light Stone or Dark Stone) that are the sealed forms of Reshiram & Zekrom. Or perhaps the DNA Splicer, which lets him fuse Kyurem. Perhaps his cane? For with its device, Poke Balls can't capture Pokemon, denying others a means of bonding with a new friend.
In Snowbelle Town, an old friend of Lysandre's, says that Lysandre once had noble intentions & did his best to help people in need, but was eventually convinced of humanity's stupidity, along with his own limitations which resulted in him becoming a misanthrope.
In the region of Kalos, a region designed with the idea of beauty, filled with beautiful sights, & kind people, Lysandre pursues the idea of a "beautiful world", especially an eternally so one.
Lysandre thinks humans are inherently evil & greedy. Using the player & their friends competing over their Mega Ring as an example that when something cannot be shared, people will fight for it, for someone must live with it & some without & so, tragedies are likely to happen. Thus, the only solution is to reduce the human population. When further questioned about Pokémon, he tearfully claims that Pokémon, while magnificent beings, are condemned to be used by humans and, for the greater good, are best annihilated.
Indeed, Lysandre leads Team Flare, both before & after he reveals his involvement in it, he contacts the player character through the Holo Caster (A portable communication device. Send messages, read news, etc.) repeatedly, asking them to join. Team Flare intends to have people join, whether by having people pay their way in, showing their strength, or their conviction to their ideals of "beauty". But Lysandre? He intends to kill everyone who is not a part of Team Flare, if not more than that.
In pursuit of this genocide, he seeks the Ultimate Weapon, & tracks down someone who "shares the name of the previous king of Kalos", AZ, for he holds the key to the ultimate weapon, though it isn't yet fired.
Oddly, Lysandre seems to have a theme of false choice to his actions; Similarly to how Lysandre & Team Flare acts like he'll leave Team Flare as survivors, he promises the player a chance to stop the machine being activated, but even when they succeed & choose the right button, he simply activates it via remote control.
Later, the player captures Xerneas, the Pokemon of Life, or Yveltal, the Pokemon of Death, that Lysandre intended to use to power the Ultimate Weapon. Returning with a cybernetic suit, he challenges the player, intent on defeating them & draining the power of the Legendary Pokemon to power the Ultimate Weapon.
Defeated, Lysandre is disgusted that his beautiful world will never be a reality. The player character & friends try to reason with him, saying if people cooperate, a better world is possible, using the Mega Evolution achieved by him as proof of even Lysandre has a bond with his Pokémon. He, however, rejects the idea as mere naivety &, if it's Xerneas, attempts to force immortality on the player, their friends, & himself, so that they might suffer eternally, or if it's Yveltal, kill everyone in the building & fires the ultimate weapon using what little power still remains.
This destroys the building, burying it & Lysandre under rubble as everyone else escapes.
As part of Rainbow Rocket, he explains that a bright light consumed him when he fired the ultimate weapon and was transported to the world where he faces the Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon protagonist.
He has minions set up a 2-button device, just like he presented to the X/Y protagonist, but whichever button they choose, he claims the other will prevent it firing, then challenges them to battle to buy time. Afterwards, pressing the button he claimed would, will seemingly shut down the machine.
Lysandre then wonders if things would have been different in his world if he had met a Trainer like the player. He then rejects that line of thought, resolving that he must bring about his beautiful world.
In the region of Kalos, a region designed with the idea of beauty, filled with beautiful sights, & kind people, Lysandre pursues the idea of a "beautiful world", especially an eternally so one.
Lysandre thinks humans are inherently evil & greedy. Using the player & their friends competing over their Mega Ring as an example that when something cannot be shared, people will fight for it, for someone must live with it & some without & so, tragedies are likely to happen. Thus, the only solution is to reduce the human population. When further questioned about Pokémon, he tearfully claims that Pokémon, while magnificent beings, are condemned to be used by humans and, for the greater good, are best annihilated.
Indeed, Lysandre leads Team Flare, both before & after he reveals his involvement in it, he contacts the player character through the Holo Caster (A portable communication device. Send messages, read news, etc.) repeatedly, asking them to join. Team Flare intends to have people join, whether by having people pay their way in, showing their strength, or their conviction to their ideals of "beauty". But Lysandre? He intends to kill everyone who is not a part of Team Flare, if not more than that.
In pursuit of this genocide, he seeks the Ultimate Weapon, & tracks down someone who "shares the name of the previous king of Kalos", AZ, for he holds the key to the ultimate weapon, though it isn't yet fired.
Oddly, Lysandre seems to have a theme of false choice to his actions; Similarly to how Lysandre & Team Flare acts like he'll leave Team Flare as survivors, he promises the player a chance to stop the machine being activated, but even when they succeed & choose the right button, he simply activates it via remote control.
Later, the player captures Xerneas, the Pokemon of Life, or Yveltal, the Pokemon of Death, that Lysandre intended to use to power the Ultimate Weapon. Returning with a cybernetic suit, he challenges the player, intent on defeating them & draining the power of the Legendary Pokemon to power the Ultimate Weapon.
Defeated, Lysandre is disgusted that his beautiful world will never be a reality. The player character & friends try to reason with him, saying if people cooperate, a better world is possible, using the Mega Evolution achieved by him as proof of even Lysandre has a bond with his Pokémon. He, however, rejects the idea as mere naivety &, if it's Xerneas, attempts to force immortality on the player, their friends, & himself, so that they might suffer eternally, or if it's Yveltal, kill everyone in the building & fires the ultimate weapon using what little power still remains.
This destroys the building, burying it & Lysandre under rubble as everyone else escapes.
As part of Rainbow Rocket, he explains that a bright light consumed him when he fired the ultimate weapon and was transported to the world where he faces the Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon protagonist.
He has minions set up a 2-button device, just like he presented to the X/Y protagonist, but whichever button they choose, he claims the other will prevent it firing, then challenges them to battle to buy time. Afterwards, pressing the button he claimed would, will seemingly shut down the machine.
Lysandre then wonders if things would have been different in his world if he had met a Trainer like the player. He then rejects that line of thought, resolving that he must bring about his beautiful world.
His palace?
Lysandre seeks eternal beauty, yet considers humanity flawed, if not evil, & sees Pokemon as glorious, yet misunfortunate beings doomed to be abused as tools by evil humans.
Thus, his palace might have only people he approves of, & might be a truly beautiful sight.... But utterly devoid of people, Pokemon or other creatures, or perhaps filled with monsters that reflect such ideals.
His treasure?
Lysandre has his cybernetic suit, but it was just a desperate means to an end. His Mega Stone, Mega Ring, or Key Stone? Not after rejecting the idea that his Pokemon Mega Evolving was through a strength of bond. So perhaps the coccoon holding Xerneas or Yveltal, or perhaps the Key to the Ultimate Weapon? The Ultimate Weapon itself? The 2-button switch for it that you're always mislead about having the chance to prevent the Ultimate Weapon from firing? Perhaps, the Holo Caster, for it was his invention, which he constantly used to try & recruit people into Team Flare, for his cause?
I'm unsure.
Lusamine is a deliberate parallel to Pokemon players: After all, many Pokemon trainers catch lots of Pokemon they like, but end up "boxing" so many, & not using them again. With the Pokedex for the player to learn about the Pokemon, & PC features like the Poke Pelago & other Pokemon to keep them company until the trainer they sought out calls on them, it's questionable if denying their call to you by releasing them into the wild is kinder.
Lusamine, meanwhile, highly values beauty, & collects Pokemon, claiming she loves all of them, no matter where they are from, & runs the Aether Foundation, a conversation & research group.
But where the player & many regular trainers use the PC system to store Pokemon.... Lusamine freezes her Pokemon alive, thinking their beauty is preserved eternally this way.
In truth, when Lusamine's husband, Mohn went missing in Ultra Space, she seemingly became obsessed with the worlds beyond in Ultra Space, & thus, Ultra Beasts, those extradimensional Pokemon, too.
Meanwhile, grunts for the group of failures to Alola's Island Challenge & thieves & thugs, Team Skull, can be found, seemingly working for the Aether Foundation, & Guzma, Team Skull's leader, implying an alliance with Lusamine's organization.
Depending on whether it's Sun/Moon, or Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, her story differs a bit. But often, she rejects the attempts of her children, Lillie & Gladion, to return her to her senses, & she merges with Nihilego, going mad from its neurotoxins until she is forcefully separated.
She has her redeeming moments, such as when separated, she asks when Lillie started becoming beautiful, & after her defeats, when her long-lost, amnesiac husband Mohn suddenly visits the reformed Aether Foundation, she chooses not to tell him of his past, believing he's happy as is.
Lusamine, meanwhile, highly values beauty, & collects Pokemon, claiming she loves all of them, no matter where they are from, & runs the Aether Foundation, a conversation & research group.
But where the player & many regular trainers use the PC system to store Pokemon.... Lusamine freezes her Pokemon alive, thinking their beauty is preserved eternally this way.
In truth, when Lusamine's husband, Mohn went missing in Ultra Space, she seemingly became obsessed with the worlds beyond in Ultra Space, & thus, Ultra Beasts, those extradimensional Pokemon, too.
Meanwhile, grunts for the group of failures to Alola's Island Challenge & thieves & thugs, Team Skull, can be found, seemingly working for the Aether Foundation, & Guzma, Team Skull's leader, implying an alliance with Lusamine's organization.
Depending on whether it's Sun/Moon, or Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, her story differs a bit. But often, she rejects the attempts of her children, Lillie & Gladion, to return her to her senses, & she merges with Nihilego, going mad from its neurotoxins until she is forcefully separated.
She has her redeeming moments, such as when separated, she asks when Lillie started becoming beautiful, & after her defeats, when her long-lost, amnesiac husband Mohn suddenly visits the reformed Aether Foundation, she chooses not to tell him of his past, believing he's happy as is.
Her palace?
Lusamine values beauty... or so she claims. Ultimately, she began fixating on Ultra Space, Nihilego, & seemingly even tried to make her daughter, Lillie, look more like Nihilego through Lillie's clothes.
For such an individual, it might be filled with rare, & beautiful creatures... yet many of them frozen, or forced to be remade in a way she likes, perhaps gradually converging towards appearances more like what she prefers, & towards the alien like many Ultra Beasts are... for better or worse.
& there's probably SOMETHING about her neglected/separated family in there.
Her treasure?
Many of the things she treasures most are beings, even if she treats them as objects. Nihilego, which she fused with? Or maybe Cosmog, which Lillie stole from the Aether Foundation, & which evolved under Lillie's care to side with the player & fight against Lusamine's madness.
Perhaps a frozen Pokemon? Some of her equipment? A keep sake of one of the family members, perhaps?
He loves the world of Pokemon, introducing it at the start of the game. He especially loves Galar, running the business conglomerate towards Galar's prosperity, believing actions speak louder than words. A former champion, even in disguise, he is swarmed by fans. But what he pursues is means of resolving an energy crisis, even inviting the player character to a lecture on Galar's energy production, & his plan to harness the powers of Wishing Stars, parts of a Legendary Pokemon, Eternatus, & said to hold Dynamax Energy.
Rose spent a lot of time researching the Darkest Day, a storm from 3,000 years ago... & which he surely knew Eternatus caused. Indeed, it's soon revealed Rose is obsessed with an energy crisis projected to happen 1,000 years into the future.
He constantly brings this future energy crisis up to Leon, the undefeated Champion who he endorsed, & eventually, after a disagreement saying Rose's plan can wait until after the Championship Match, Rose's patience during that match, when everyone all over the region has come to the stadium to see Leon, their undefeated Champion & "strongest Pokemon trainer", battling to defend his title against a new challenger.
Rose unleashes Eternatus, thinking it will help solve the energy crisis, which brings about a new Darkest Day, & utter chaos & destruction. Eternatus fails to be controlled, Leon wears it down, but cannot capture it. Instead, it takes the Pokemon of the Player Character, Hop, & the Legendary Pokemon Zacian & Zamazenta in their powered up forms to stop Eternatus, & Rose turns himself over to the authorities.
Rose spent a lot of time researching the Darkest Day, a storm from 3,000 years ago... & which he surely knew Eternatus caused. Indeed, it's soon revealed Rose is obsessed with an energy crisis projected to happen 1,000 years into the future.
He constantly brings this future energy crisis up to Leon, the undefeated Champion who he endorsed, & eventually, after a disagreement saying Rose's plan can wait until after the Championship Match, Rose's patience during that match, when everyone all over the region has come to the stadium to see Leon, their undefeated Champion & "strongest Pokemon trainer", battling to defend his title against a new challenger.
Rose unleashes Eternatus, thinking it will help solve the energy crisis, which brings about a new Darkest Day, & utter chaos & destruction. Eternatus fails to be controlled, Leon wears it down, but cannot capture it. Instead, it takes the Pokemon of the Player Character, Hop, & the Legendary Pokemon Zacian & Zamazenta in their powered up forms to stop Eternatus, & Rose turns himself over to the authorities.
His palace?
If Rose has any theme, it's his overzealous striving for prosperity, desperately fixated on an energy crisis a milennia in the future of the land he loves, which he likely won't even live to see, & uncompromising about trying to take action about it, even though that means of generating energy... is unleashing Eternatus, & with it, a catastrophic event. He loves his world, but he fears the future, irrationally.
I think a palace themed by the psyche of this man would show a beautiful, idyllic world, yet constrated by nonstop working, perfectionism to the point of madness & paranoia, with themes of fear & dread as the seconds pass.
His treasure?
It's not clear, but perhaps it might be one or more Wishing Stones, the fragments of Eternatus he acted like he intended to use as an alternate energy source, yet he used to awaken Eternatus, which brought about the eternatus.
Wow, that took forever to type! Hopefully folks find it at least somewhat interesting, though I can understand if folks might think it's a bit too wordy.
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If Palaces interest you, a spin-off, Persona 5 Strikers, spins the concept on its head, replacing them with a new location called Jails. I won’t spoil, if you plan to get into the series.
Of course, both P5 & P5S are on YT, and they regularly go on sale for nothing more than like 20-30 bucks on PSN. Tip, if you’re gonna buy P5, by P5R. New characters, more Personas, new endings, better gameplay, etc.
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I'll prolly end up watching a bit of it in YouTube, and if I do write up a tale, I'll publish it here.
A tale between the Phantom Thieves and Salt would be legendary.
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Good luck, many people are hooked by the first (and widely considered best) Palace.
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I saw this thing in smash were sora was facing off against joker- and ssid "so your the one whose been stealing hearts!"
And joker said "what of it"
And then then they fight--
Are heartless super condence shadows? Would a nobody be completely incapable of having a palace without a heart? Would xenort try to steal the 7 brightest treasures for himself with 13 of himself?
(Yes- yes he would)
And joker said "what of it"
And then then they fight--
Are heartless super condence shadows? Would a nobody be completely incapable of having a palace without a heart? Would xenort try to steal the 7 brightest treasures for himself with 13 of himself?
(Yes- yes he would)
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Unsure about this. Heartless are stated to be devoid of all emotions. Shadows are born of the Hearts/psyches of people, right? If Shadows in Persona are a product of emotion, then they contain it, right? A Heartless might be born of the Darkness in a person's Heart, but the Heartless itself doesn't seem to contain the emotions of that, beyond holding a heart from the victim it was born from.
Meanwhile, a Shadow is born of the emotions in someone's Heart; They are a more important/directly connected part of it for a Shadow than with the emotions in a "Heart" for a Heartless.
Unsure. As you may know, though, Nobodies can grow Hearts over time, & become "Somebodies"/actual people, IIRC. So a Palace might be able to appear for a being that once didn't have one, if those rules interact that way.
A Palace requires not just a mind, but a Heart, right? Since, after all, the feelings & emotions are more key to it than the mind, intellect, etc., right?
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