The Man of Steel fights the shortest 12-year-old boy I can think of

[Marvel_Champion_07]

SUPERMAN vs ALI​

• 7-C versions are used
• Ali has access to all his Season 3 standard equipment (Tekno Magnetic Suit, yoyo, tops, etc.)
• Speed is equalised
• Fight takes place in Indoor M.A.T.A. Training Area

Superman: 8 (@MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer, @AnonymousBlank, @Maverick_Zero_X, @Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Greatsage13th, @Cimafranca133, @Dalesean027, @Da3ggman)

Ali: 0

Inconclusive:

I'm not kidding about that title. Ali is 12 years old but only 130cm tall. Why the f**k is he so smol...

 

[Greatsage13th]

Right off the bat Superman is smarter, more skilled and much stronger physically.

Ali on the other hand has a greater reaction speed compared to Supes but Superman has a higher attack speed through heat vision.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Ali on the other hand has a greater reaction speed compared to Supes but Superman has a higher attack speed through heat vision.

Speed is equalised

Also 7-C Superman is Sub-Relativistic compared to Ali who is Massively Hypersonic. Not that it matters

 

[Greatsage13th]

Also 7-C Superman is Sub-Relativistic compared to Ali who is Massively Hypersonic. Not that it matters

That's his normal speed while Ali's combat and reaction speed is independent from his normal speed along with subsonic Aeroboots.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That's his normal speed while Ali's combat and reaction speed is independent from his normal speed

Massively Hypersonic is Ali's combat and reaction speed…?

Athletic Human travel speed, Subsonic with Scooter and Aero Boots. Massively Hypersonic combat speed and reactions (Reacted to an explosion. Can keep up with Alicia in combat)

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That still means Ali has a faster reaction speed but slower travel speed and far slower attack speed due to heat vision.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'd say Ali just starts off with magnetic forcefield.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That still means Ali has a faster reaction speed but slower travel speed and far slower attack speed due to heat vision.

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

Ali's reaction speed and Superman's attack speed are equalised too

 

[Dalesean027]

Right off the bat Superman is smarter, more skilled and much stronger physically.

Isn't the 7-C+ Superman early on into using his powers I'd doubt he'd randomly be skill stomping or anything

 

[Greatsage13th]

Isn't the 7-C+ Superman early on into using his powers I'd doubt he'd randomly be skill stomping or anything

He's more likely to hold back against a child.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Can Ali even win here? His AP isn’t enough to even scratch Supes who tanks 56 kilotons. Combined with HV, he kinda gets negged.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Can Ali even win here? His AP isn’t enough to even scratch Supes who tanks 56 kilotons. Combined with HV, he kinda gets negged.

Does Superman have a metallic suit on him or...?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Does Superman have a metallic suit on him or...?

Nope. He wears a kryptonian skinsuit.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Nope. He wears a kryptonian skinsuit.

What's the skin suit made out of?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Some synthetic material that’s not metal based on its differing appearance to Kryptonian armor and how the hole from Doomsday looks.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Can Ali even win here? His AP isn’t enough to even scratch Supes who tanks 56 kilotons. Combined with HV, he kinda gets negged.

I would also like to point out Ali can boost his attack by spinning his tops or allowing them to collide with another to increase the velocity.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I would also like to point out Ali can boost his attack by spinning his tops or allowing them to collide with another to increase the velocity.

I don’t think that can overcome Supes dura. First Flight tanks the 56 kilotons, proceeds to get his shit rocked by Nam-Ek who KO’d him with a clothesline and then Supes got strong enough to 1v2 both Nam-Ek and Faora after waking up from said clothesline. Best case scenario for Ali, his AP is enough to eventually KO Supes but a single ray of sunlight hitting his face is enough to wake him up and heal all the damage he takes.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I don’t think that can overcome Supes dura. First Flight tanks the 56 kilotons, proceeds to get his shit rocked by Nam-Ek who KO’d him with a clothesline and then Supes got strong enough to 1v2 both Nam-Ek and Faora after waking up from said clothesline. Best case scenario for Ali, his AP is enough to eventually KO Supes but a single ray of sunlight hitting his face is enough to wake him up and heal all the damage he takes.

I just don't think Ali could win this one like at all.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Unless the fight takes place in an area without sunlight.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'll change the time to night, if that helps

No, Ali can't see in the dark without I.R.I.S. just place this fight in an area with light without sunlight.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

No, Ali can't see in the dark without I.R.I.S. just place this fight in an area with light without sunlight.

Okay. How about here?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Okay. How about here?

That works

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

his AP is enough to eventually KO Supes

I would also like to point out Ali can boost his attack by spinning his tops or allowing them to collide with another to increase the velocity.

So this is still a viable wincon for Ali? Plus, Season 3 Ali is probably more skilled than early Superman, who wouldn't go all out against a small child initially

Isn't the 7-C+ Superman early on into using his powers I'd doubt he'd randomly be skill stomping or anything

He's more likely to hold back against a child.

 

[Dalesean027]

So this is still a viable wincon for Ali? Plus, Season 3 Ali is probably more skilled than early Superman, who wouldn't go all out against a small child initially

I think that's valid yeah

 

[Greatsage13th]

Now since the battle takes place underground, the fight is no longer one sided.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So this is still a viable wincon for Ali? Plus, Season 3 Ali is probably more skilled than early Superman, who wouldn't go all out against a small child initially

Note that I’m not saying Ali can KO Supes. I’m saying that even when giving Ali the benefit of the doubt and assuming he could manage that, it wouldn’t let him win.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Note that I’m not saying Ali can KO Supes. I’m saying that even when giving Ali the benefit of the doubt and assuming he could manage that, it wouldn’t let him win.

I know. But since this takes place in an enclosed space, the tops would rebound off the walls and clap Supe's asscheeks more than once.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Like I said before, they aren’t scratching him without 7-C+ scaling.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Like I said before, they aren’t scratching him without 7-C+ scaling.

The only thing 7-C+ is him clapping Zod.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

This is my take so far, from what I can tell:

Early Superman has a 2.246x - 2.69x AP advantage and MUCH higher physical LS. He can quickly close the distance with his flight/travel speed or tag Ali with heat vision. Dunno how his regen works or his enhanced senses can help (maybe detect and figure out what Ali's gadgets are doing?), but those would likely also be problems.

Season 3 Ali has superior combat skill/experience and various advanced gadgets, with forcefields that can hold off Clark's attacks for a bit and a magnetic suit to boost his tops' AP and accurately control them. Plus the fact they can ricochet means many attacks can be landed simultaneously.

Not voting yet. Just giving my two cents on the match. Feel free to correct me or add more stuff to either side

 

[Greatsage13th]

Would like to also point out that stopping a spinning top with a punch or what not, is harder to do than stopping a punch.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The only thing 7-C+ is him clapping Zod.

No. 7-C+ is the benchmark for what fails to affect him.

Smallville (Is able to simultaneously match both Nam-Ek and Faora in pure strength and overpower the former) > Nam-Ek (Slaps First Flight even harder than Faora ) > Faora (3 punches and a throw has Supes brain rattling in his skull before the sunlight fixes his problem) >> First Flight (shattering the mountain top didn’t even phase or dirty him) >>> 56 kilotons

 

[Greatsage13th]

No. 7-C+ is the benchmark for what fails to affect him.

Smallville (Is able to simultaneously match both Nam-Ek and Faora in pure strength and overpower the former) > Nam-Ek (Slaps First Flight even harder than Faora ) > Faora (3 punches and a throw has Supes brain rattling in his skull before the sunlight fixes his problem) >> First Flight (shattering the mountain top didn’t even phase or dirty him) >>> 56 kilotons

Smallville?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Smallville?

 

[Greatsage13th]

56 kilotons came from destroying 4 skyscrapers.

In that instance it can be simplified to Superman is stronger than he was previously damaged by Faora. Nothing crazy.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

56 kilotons came from destroying 4 skyscrapers.

56.489 Kilotons comes from the mountaintop destruction feat.

Destroying a skyscraper is only 373.793 Tons. That's just a supporting justification anyway

 

[AnonymousBlank]

What MARVEL said^.

 

[Greatsage13th]

56.489 Kilotons comes from the mountaintop destruction feat.

Destroying a skyscraper is only 373.793 Tons. That's just a supporting justification anyway

I actually thought it was from 4 times pulverization of the skyscraper.

 

[Greatsage13th]

But anyways the AP gap can be shortened by simply spinning the tops at a higher velocity and allow them to ram into one another to generate a higher attack power to knock him out as shown in episode 11 where Ali allowed 2 spinning tops to ram into each other to generate a greater degree of penetration.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

This is my take so far, from what I can tell:

Early Superman has a 2.246x - 2.69x AP advantage and MUCH higher physical LS. He can quickly close the distance with his flight/travel speed or tag Ali with heat vision. Dunno how his regen works or his enhanced senses can help (maybe detect and figure out what Ali's gadgets are doing?), but those would likely also be problems.

Season 3 Ali has superior combat skill/experience and various advanced gadgets, with forcefields that can hold off Clark's attacks for a bit and a magnetic suit to boost his tops' AP and accurately control them. Plus the fact they can ricochet means many attacks can be landed simultaneously.

Not voting yet. Just giving my two cents on the match. Feel free to correct me or add more stuff to either side

Oh wait, Superman is also more intelligent (Genius VS Gifted), plus he can eventually keep up with Ali's skill because of this:

Despite not having any formal combat training, Superman is a quick improvisational learner and effective brawler. This can be seen when he was pitted against several highly trained Kryptonians, the powerful Doomsday, The Justice League, and against Steppenwolf

Given that + the significant AP/durability (which is even higher than what I said) & LS advantages + superior manoeuvrability, I'm gonna vote for Superman low-mid difficulty, unless stuff in the last few upcoming Ejen Ali Season 3 episodes give him more stuff (unlikely, but you never know)