The Heroic Sword Saint vs...Boi

[Greatsage13th]

I still feel like the matter resistant barrier is kinda iffy tbh

It is. Considering lightning Krises can get altered but BoBoiBoy's wind barrier doesn't. But it is what it is :/

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

We need some fras

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It is. Considering lightning Krises can get altered but BoBoiBoy's wind barrier doesn't. But it is what it is :/

Wait what if the actual limitations come from the matter manip itself, if it doesnt affect air isnt that its own problem?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Wait what if the actual limitations come from the matter manip itself, if it doesnt affect air isnt that its own problem?

Not really, the mm could even affect shadows made of magnetic nano particles, fire balls and energy bolts which are less dense than air. So imo it is due to narrative writing rather than a limitation.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not really, the mm could even affect shadows made of magnetic nano particles, fire balls and energy bolts which are less dense than air. So imo it is due to narrative writing rather than a limitation.

But did it affect air on any other occasion? If it specifically could not affect air so that it could travel and affect other things then it would make sense for it to be repelled by strong gusts of wind

 

[Greatsage13th]

But did it affect air on any other occasion? If it specifically could not affect air so that it could travel and affect other things then it would make sense for it to be repelled by strong gusts of wind

The ability was able to change the sky and cloud formation that was manipulated by BoBoiBoy to create the thunder sword storm. Also the mm bullet once transmuted "nothing"

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The ability was able to change the sky and cloud formation that was manipulated by BoBoiBoy to create the thunder sword storm. Also the mm bullet once transmuted "nothing"

So it could affect clouds but what about plain simple air

 

[Greatsage13th]

So it could affect clouds but what about plain simple air

It could effect nonexistent objects to an extent as well.

 

[Greatsage13th]

It could effect nonexistent objects to an extent as well.

Not really nonexistent but imaginary.

Also, clouds are just made up of plain air in saturated form and air molecules are denser than electrons.

 

[Greatsage13th]

shown here

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

shown here

Hey..didnt a couple of bullets go inside his cyclone barrier just right before Gopal fired his shot, also didnt Gopals màtter manip get upgraded or something, and this is the galaxy version which probably had a couple of changes atleast to the power system

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hey..didnt a couple of bullets go inside his cyclone barrier just right before Gopal fired his shot, also didnt Gopals màtter manip get upgraded or something, and this is the galaxy version which probably had a couple of changes atleast to the power system

piercing damage can neg any barrier to a certain extent, firing an anti tank rifle round into a tornado is similar to this situation.

also, you've mistaken. the upgrade that gopal got is to transmute his own body into other forms of matter. not upgrading his projectiles. his projectiles stays the same.

 

[Greatsage13th]

To clarify on something. That's not a wind barrier but a full on tornado my guy

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

piercing damage can neg any barrier to a certain extent, firing an anti tank rifle round into a tornado is similar to this situation.

also, you've mistaken. the upgrade that gopal got is to transmute his own body into other forms of matter. not upgrading his projectiles. his projectiles stays the same.

So to summarize:
Boboiboy has prior knowledge and a week for prep and is thus able to deflect Reinhards nuke and turn to photons if he counters with a dura neg attack. Reinhard is slightly faster though. Boboiboy will then BFR him via a portal that he has set up beforehand using knockback.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

This certainly sounds very fair

 

[Greatsage13th]

So to summarize:
Boboiboy has prior knowledge and a week for prep and is thus able to deflect Reinhards nuke and turn to photons if he counters with a dura neg attack. Reinhard is slightly faster though. Boboiboy will then BFR him via a portal that he has set up beforehand using knockback.

Yep

This certainly sounds very fair

I mean, only one wincon vs Reinhard's many others.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yep

I mean, only one wincon vs Reinhard's many others.

I just found out that Roswaal, Carol and Grimm all have lightspeed feats. I am about to make every single major fighter in rz FtL brb

 

[Greatsage13th]

I just found out that Roswaal, Carol and Grimm all have lightspeed feats. I am about to make every single major fighter in rz FtL brb

...eh

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

...eh

Back now lets continue. So right can you mention a certain method for Reinhard to win that wont be deflected or avoided completely becuz of Boboiboys prior knowledge

 

[Greatsage13th]

Back now lets continue. So right can you mention a certain method for Reinhard to win that wont be deflected or avoided completely becuz of Boboiboys prior knowledge

Outlasting with superior stamina, resorting to gain blessings to compensate against all of BoBoiBoy's non magical attacks or simply spam matter nuke over and over.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Outlasting with superior stamina, resorting to gain blessings to compensate against all of BoBoiBoy's non magical attacks or simply spam matter nuke over and over.

Hey. Reinhard wins quite easily if we do that right-
His literal strategy against Regulus, someone who was NOT affected by his attack was to spam his attacks till he lost.

How is boboiboy gonna counter this then? I can see him blowing him away but if Reinhard just kept on assaulting him relentlessly then he should be under control long enough for him to wear out. Also if boboiboy xan counter that then i did like for you to give Reinhard some amount of prior knowledge too otherwise this would literally be a spite match

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hey. Reinhard wins quite easily if we do that right-
His literal strategy against Regulus, someone who was NOT affected by his attack was to spam his attacks till he lost.

How is boboiboy gonna counter this then? I can see him blowing him away but if Reinhard just kept on assaulting him relentlessly then he should be under control long enough for him to wear out. Also if boboiboy xan counter that then i did like for you to give Reinhard some amount of prior knowledge too otherwise this would literally be a spite match

You can't call this a spite match as Reinhard has more wincons than BoBoiBoy, all of which require is achievable under some circumstances. BoBoiBoy counters simply with cyclone barriers and creating a multi kilometer cyclone. For Reinhard to outlast BoBoiBoy, he'll need to maintain himself for more than 7 hours.

 

[Greatsage13th]

puuf

 

[Greatsage13th]

Poof

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Bump

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

You can't call this a spite match as Reinhard has more wincons than BoBoiBoy, all of which require is achievable under some circumstances. BoBoiBoy counters simply with cyclone barriers and creating a multi kilometer cyclone. For Reinhard to outlast BoBoiBoy, he'll need to maintain himself for more than 7 hours.

Btw the battle is taking place on the moon, there is no atmosphere present and he did have to keep the cyclone going. What about the fact that Reinhard would retreat if he doesn't see an opening? According tot he author Reinhard would have retreated against Regulus if Subaru had not been present, considering his godly intuition its quite possible that he just waits for Boboiboy to tire out

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So basically this fight has come down to this
1. Reinhard has more 2 wincons by either hitting him with matter manip or waiting for him to tire out or spamming his nukes
2. Boboiboy has an almost surefire way of defeating Reinhard due to hvaing prior knowledge

How do we determine that Reinhard would just..not be blown away due to having superior strength or someshit

 

[Greatsage13th]

So basically this fight has come down to this
1. Reinhard has more 2 wincons by either hitting him with matter manip or waiting for him to tire out or spamming his nukes
2. Boboiboy has an almost surefire way of defeating Reinhard due to hvaing prior knowledge

How do we determine that Reinhard would just..not be blown away due to having superior strength or someshit

He can attempt to counter the currents by clashing it with Dragon Sword Reid's immense power. Basically a power struggle.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He can attempt to counter the currents by clashing it with Dragon Sword Reid's immense power. Basically a power struggle.

If Reinhard senses danger he WOULD retreat due to his intuition and if there is no exact way to determine who would win the power struggle then he would probably wait the cyclone out and then attack boboiboy while he is tired

 

[Greatsage13th]

If Reinhard senses danger he WOULD retreat due to his intuition and if there is no exact way to determine who would win the power struggle then he would probably wait the cyclone out and then attack boboiboy while he is tired

Where would he wait in a barren moon land?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Where would he wait in a barren moon land?

The other side of the moon of course, or he could just jump back to earth. I dont see why he wouldnt go back to earth to wait it out honestly

 

[Greatsage13th]

The other side of the moon of course, or he could just jump back to earth. I dont see why he wouldnt go back to earth to wait it out honestly

1. That's not going to work.

2. He never does any of those Saitama bs mobility before.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

1. That's not going to work.

2. He never does any of those Saitama bs mobility before.

Uhh, yes he does? Arc 5, he is thrown to the moon against Regulus and casually comes back saying he would have been in trouble if he was thrown in outer space (this was later confirmed to him being humble as according to the author he would have just adapted and come back anyway)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Actually he probably did this feat before Saitama

 

[Greatsage13th]

Uhh, yes he does? Arc 5, he is thrown to the moon against Regulus and casually comes back saying he would have been in trouble if he was thrown in outer space (this was later confirmed to him being humble as according to the author he would have just adapted and come back anyway)

Huh...neat. but that'd be out of character for him to run from a fight as it goes against his moral code tho.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Huh...neat. but that'd be out of character for him to run from a fight as it goes against his moral code tho.

When was that included in his moral code? He just never had to run before but according to the author if the Regulus fight had been prolonged he would have retreated

 

[Greatsage13th]

When was that included in his moral code? He just never had to run before but according to the author if the Regulus fight had been prolonged he would have retreated

What I meant to say was, he's never going to run away from a battle on equal grounds. If both of them are on the moon, it would be out of character for him to go the earth.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What I meant to say was, he's never going to run away from a battle on equal grounds. If both of them are on the moon, it would be out of character for him to go the earth.

1. He would retreat and its never stated how or where he would retreat so it wouldnt be ooc for him and it did make sense for him to go back to his country to talk the situation out with someone
2. Thats why i said on the other side of the moon

 

[Greatsage13th]

1. He would retreat and its never stated how or where he would retreat so it wouldnt be ooc for him and it did make sense for him to go back to his country to talk the situation out with someone
2. Thats why i said on the other side of the moon

1. In which scenario did this happen.

2. Gravity exists.