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The End of All Illusions 1.5/2 (Instant Death Cosmology Downgrade)

Regarding the 4-D aspect of the foundations, what is the relationship of "time" when outside the CF and among different Parallel Timelines. IE, do Parallel Timelines influence other CFs?
When you get into the Sea (and if you're strong enough to survive) you just wander into the Sea, hopefully reaching a world at one point. For example, Taylor accepted the invitation of Van to enter the CF of Mitsuki so that he doesn't continue wandering into the Sea.

We never get any confirmation that Parallel Timelines affect solely a CF or if they affect something greater.
 
So in application to the cosmological structure, things can't be infinite like High 3-A, 2-A, etc. It only exists abstractly.
That's what I am arguing, yes. We can surely accept stuff like Low 2-C to 2-B because some universes seems like true universes according to our standard, but that's it. Or, alternatively, you could argue the "alternate timelines" are dimensions, completely separated, which would be way better.

I'll not that the Universe I just mentioned isn't related to CF, so we can't use it to scale CF.
 
The world is stated as minuscule by Gods.
The world is stated to be able to be destroyed by planet-busting cannons.
I don’t see how you came to the conclusion that it was talking about the CF just cause it says world. The statement itself is talking about how 1 of them can destroy the planet. And since there are so many,there would be nothing left (no fragments/debris) as the planet would be totally annihilated with nothing left.(you would also be claiming that they would be semi-comparable to celestial foundations eaters.

I also don’t understand how you are trying to debunk the size of celestial foundations based on the worlds it contains.even more so when the world in question is the lowest world overall.
 
And another one, CE contains countless timelines (at least I see them in cosmology page), this could be 2-B but I don't see you solve it in OP. Anything else?
 
And another one, CE contains countless timelines (at least I see them in cosmology page), this could be 2-B but I don't see you solve it in OP. Anything else?
He is essentially saying that all timelines are just part of 1 spacetime continuum. And that their sizes are smaller than a universe
 
I don’t see how you came to the conclusion that it was talking about the CF just cause it says world. The statement itself is talking about how 1 of them can destroy the planet. And since there are so many,there would be nothing left (no fragments/debris) as the planet would be totally annihilated with nothing left.(you would also be claiming that they would be semi-comparable to celestial foundations eaters.
Because the CF is the world and the world is the CF? Well, technically this is an excess of language to say so, but basically, destroying the world on top of the Celestial Foundation (the lands and seas here) means pretty much destroying the world.

And I mean, yeah sure, if you wish them to be comparable to CFE, I'm fine with it. A navel fleet strong enough can destroy a Celestial Foundation.

I also don’t understand how you are trying to debunk the size of celestial foundations based on the worlds it contains.even more so when the world in question is the lowest world overall.
Are you talking about the abstract hierarchy? Because if so, it's a hierarchy about economic and military power.


This seems fine to me, btw, I have a question. The abyss has 4 dimensions so how you solve this?
According to our standards, it needs to be a "higher dimensional universe" at least to be something notable. But eh, I don't mind something else if some people aren't okay with it.

And another one, CE contains countless timelines (at least I see them in cosmology page), this could be 2-B but I don't see you solve it in OP. Anything else?
1) Even If you assume that a CF contains countless timelines of a SS size universe, I highly doubt it would amount to 3-A
2) There no real proof that timelines solely encompass CF.
3) There were no mentions of parallel timelines being destroyed when a CFE devour a world, same when the canopy of a world is destroyed and the CF get cucked by the Sea as a result. I mean, according to the current scaling, a CFE eating a world is worth 2-B (about countless worlds) of energy, yet, the verse blatantly state a CFE with his stomach full is only worth about 4/5 universes.

He is essentially saying that all timelines are just part of 1 spacetime continuum. And that their sizes are smaller than a universe
Ah no, I'm okay with both ways, technically.

Either we assume that CF do have timelines within them, but their tiering wouldn't change much (?)
or
Either we assume the timelines encompass something like the Sea itself and a parallel world is actually another version of the Sea in another dimension.
 
According to our standards, it needs to be a "higher dimensional universe" at least to be something notable. But eh, I don't mind something else if some people aren't okay with it.
Alright, I keep it later.
1) Even If you assume that a CF contains countless timelines of a SS size universe, I highly doubt it would amount to 3-A
2) There no real proof that timelines solely encompass CF.
3) There were no mentions of parallel timelines being destroyed when a CFE devour a world, same when the canopy of a world is destroyed and the CF get cucked by the Sea as a result. I mean, according to the current scaling, a CFE eating a world is worth 2-B (about countless worlds) of energy, yet, the verse blatantly state a CFE with his stomach full is only worth about 4/5 universes.
Seems fine for me, agree with OP.
 
Because the CF is the world and the world is the CF? Well, technically this is an excess of language to say so, but basically, destroying the world on top of the Celestial Foundation (the lands and seas here) means pretty much destroying the world.
This is just a blatant misrepresentation of the scan.the celestial foundation is the foundation of the world itself. Destroying the world (things inside the CF) willwouldn’t affect the foundation itself.it is the other way around.it holds everything related to the world and can therefore be called the world itself. Since the world is just part of it.
And I mean, yeah sure, if you wish them to be comparable to CFE, I'm fine with it. A navel fleet strong enough can destroy a Celestial Foundation.
No. The scan itself isn’t talking about CF in the first place so I don’t know why you are trying to say it is. All it is talking about is destroying the planet. World in that sentence is used interchangeable with planet.it is as simple as this.1 gun can blow up the planet (into pieces) alot of guns = even those pieces are blown up and therefore the world (planet) is entirely destroyed with nothing left.
Are you talking about the abstract hierarchy? Because if so, it's a hierarchy about economic and military power.


(those two scans aren’t even talking about the same thing (and if they are then it doesn’t matter since instant death takes priority and debunks that statement.). Instant death already expands on it even more.celestial foundations exist all across the sea. With the sea having depth. The world they are in exists at the very bottom. With the least possible energy. With each world having its own energy needs. That is why going to a lower world is so easy. Cause all you have to do is fall deeper.but to go back up requires more energy. The world exists at the bottom of a crevice. Falling into a crevice is easy, but climbing back out requires a significant amount of energy.)
I accidentally sent my reply inside of your comment(so look at the stuff I responded to cause it is inside there) and I can’t get rid of it.anyway it isn’t talking about military power. It is talking about the energy a world NEEDS. (I will send you the scans in discord cause I don’t know how to do that here)

Also gods already have infinite power.
 
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the celestial foundation is the foundation of the world itself. Destroying the world (things inside the CF) willwouldn’t affect the foundation itself
First, things aren't "inside" the CF, they are "on" the CF.

Secondly, multiples CF can exist within a single canopy.

It can be said to be "the world itself" because it's an excess of language. I'm sorry but if I have something laid on top of another thing, it's infinitely easier to say that both of those things are the same thing (especially when the CF itself is conceptual/isn't visible) rather than always making the difference between both.
The scan itself isn’t talking about CF in the first place so I don’t know why you are trying to say it is. All it is talking about is destroying the planet
It is very well talking about CF since just before we were following Kyuuzaburou and how he's destroying worlds with his sword. Like, come on, are you telling me he was just going to destroy the planet here?

For the rest of the comment it's kind of a pain, so I'll quote as if you made the answer so that's easier.

(those two scans aren’t even talking about the same thing (and if they are then it doesn’t matter since instant death takes priority and debunks that statement.).

They very much are talking about the same thing. In ID, we're talking about Mitsuki's CF being at the lowest order of that "abstract hierarchy" with "higher-ranked world" coming to his CF to put their cultures/technologies/etc etc inside of it.

In TDKIU, we're explained that worlds within the sea are based on rank, with lower-ranked worlds unable to do anything against higher ones because they can't travel outside the sea and attack these worlds. Mind you, Mitsuki's CF has never shown any impressive technological construction that enables them to travel in the Sea.

Saying this isn't related when it uses the same verbiage is weird. Just because it gives more information doesn't mean it "can't be taken into account".

Instant death already expands on it even more.celestial foundations exist all across the sea. With the sea having depth.
I agree, it's the same with TDKIU.

The world they are in exists at the very bottom. With the least possible energy. With each world having its own energy needs

I mean sure, perhaps, what about it? You do realize that being spatially located below other things or above other things isn't really the definition I'd make of "abstract hierarchy".

Cause all you have to do is fall deeper.but to go back up requires more energy. The world exists at the bottom of a crevice. Falling into a crevice is easy, but climbing back out requires a significant amount of energy

I mean, you're not wrong, but that works with more or less any single one fo them. The second upmost CF would also have a difficult time going to the first one via the Sea, hence why Celestial Axis is peak.

It is talking about the energy a world NEEDS. (I will send you the scans in discord cause I don’t know how to do that here)
I mean, we can reconcile both if you want. Military and economic power is also reflecting the energy level of a world.

Also gods already have infinite power.
Do they?
 
Which Gods are we talking about? Regular Gods or higher order Gods??? If we are talking about higher order Gods like Toichiro and UEG, then they are 2-C to 2-B. That's heriously above High 3-A. However, doubt that directly translates into Infinite power given the tiering of this site, but they are beyond infinite 3-D sure
 
Yeah, I meant like, direct statement, I'm fine with the tier themselves.
Don't we have statements that even gods don't have infinite power? I think this can be best represented by each "god" still possessing their powers in numbers, for example, when the goddesses competed for Mizuki.
 
Don't we have statements that even gods don't have infinite power? I think this can be best represented by each "god" still possessing their powers in numbers, for example, when the goddesses competed for Mizuki.
He's talking about the statements, not the tier. Goku is beyond infinite 3-D yet he still doesn't have infinite power
 
Don't we have statements that even gods don't have infinite power? I think this can be best represented by each "god" still possessing their powers in numbers, for example, when the goddesses competed for Mizuki.
Well, you could argue this, I suppose, but that was more of an analogy than truly "their power is numbered". So I wouldn't feel comfortable using this scene personally.
 
Don't we have statements that even gods don't have infinite power? I think this can be best represented by each "god" still possessing their powers in numbers, for example, when the goddesses competed for Mizuki.
i just argued that since levels correspond to energy then gods who are above the system would have infinite energy. (And there are statements supporting it) but i guess i will just make a rebunk thread in like … whenever i am not feeling lazy
 
Celestial Foundation eater can move freely throughout the sea, and feed off the foundation, in short, CFE's that being eat celestial Foundation


The Celestial Foundation eater can consume four to five Celestial Foundations at once and celestial Foundation is universe

Celestial Foundations' worth. Or may- be it would be easier to understand if I said she >had four or five universes? Trying to chew thro- ugh all of them would take an astronomical amount of time." Takumi's explanation was very difficult to believe. "That is totally off the scale! It defies the imagination!"

"That's Foundation Eaters for you. They eat entire universes in a single bite. It's not like they can use everything they eat, and it takes them some time to digest it all, but they'll gene- rally have about four universes or so sitting in their gut at once."

The universe that the Celestial Foundation eats is the Celestial Foundation.
So Celestial Foundation is universe size
 
Instant death? Shit and Finished

Shouldn't it also nerf the gods, as they are 2-A possibly Low 1-C, by scaling to a HRE
Ya, been working on it but there are a lot of profiles to change and I don't want to mess up the wording
 
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