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The End of All Illusions 1.5/2 (Instant Death Cosmology Downgrade)

Elizhaa said:
My Big Sister Live in Fantasy World was accepted, yes, not the series. You would need another CRT on the canon first.
If that related volume was published, I guess it can be notable; it was hard to find a source online on the book, so I was not sure.
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Already, fair, I suppose? But I think we're bordering on 3 threads already opened, would you give exceptional permission to open a fourth one?
 
But, in Alice's kingdom, the size is infinite, meaning that Alice's kingdom is in Celestial Foundation = Size infinity....
 
Elizhaa said:
On the first point, regarding the celestial foundations, Gods capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world[11] similar to her angels. Can manipulate the world’s core which defines the world[12]. By manipulating the world core, the reality also will be impact from it. Those with the authority of god[12] can freely manipulate the world. Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building block of reality.
  • It gives credence to this overall concept; it is stated that worlds have their own laws, so I do not believe it is out of the ordinary if some behave differently.
For the second point, on the size,
  • Alice’s pocket world is infinite or High 3-A and is just a bubble on the surface of the world or celestial foundation (Volume 9 chapter 15; Volume 9 Chapter 14).
  • I think the depiction of celestial foundation are meant to be fully abstract not really fully accurate, in the manga. This is usually the case for many cosmology maps. Besides, the case of Alice’s world contradicted it.
  • Darian’s ability and Random walk support timelines exist on the cosmology page.
  • The stars exist in the world or celestial foundation and can be used for guidance (Volume 7, Chapter 15).
  • There is a character with a star-cutter sword that can split planets and stars that are mentioned by a sage, basically an expert on the matters of powers; it will not make it if the celestial foundation is limited just to the solar system (Volume 11 Chapter 7). So, the statements from the other series can be dismissed as inconsistent.
For the Sea:
  • I do believe the statements can be dismissed as inconsistent; multiple statements explain it is infinite but just do not.
So, I disagree overall.
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This seems to align with my own thoughts.
Retracted till further notice.
 
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To clarify, on a 3-D level, the space of a "world" varies. There haven't been any statements of some having infinite 3-D space, right?
 
Firestorm808 said:
To clarify, on a 3-D level, the space of a "world" varies.
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Yes, that much seems rather clear.

Firestorm808 said:
There haven't been any statements of some having infinite 3-D space, right?
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As Elizhaa pointed out, there is one instance of a pocket dimension being supposedly "infinite in size" inside one of the worlds, however, not only is there stuff that contradicts it in the other novel, but the world the pocket dimension is supposedly in (so the supposed "infinite sized world") is called "minuscule" by Gods that, mind you, can travel to numerous worlds.

In fact, it's straight up stated that multiples cannons capable of "destroying a planet" would destroy the world itself.
 
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SweetDao said:
Yes, that much seems rather clear.


As Elizhaa pointed out, there is one instance of a pocket dimension being supposedly "infinite in size" inside one of the worlds, however, not only is there stuff that contradicts it in the other novel, but the world the pocket dimension is supposedly in (so the supposed "infinite sized world") is called "minuscule" by Gods that, mind you, can travel to numerous worlds.
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You should not be using scans from that other novel yet 🗿 because its not currently accepted as canon
 
Robo432343 said:
You should not be using scans from that other novel yet 🗿because its not currently accepted as canon
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Hmmm, well, I'm just giving out the information, we can always wait for the other thread to be accepted before doing any change. It's not like I was going to apply the changes even if I got enough staff votes after what Elizhaa told me.
 
SweetDao said:
Hmmm, well, I'm just giving out the information, we can always wait for the other thread to be accepted before doing any change. It's not like I was going to apply the changes even if I got enough staff votes after what Elizhaa told me.
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you should link the canon CRT in the OP
 
i agree with most things regarding the celestial foundations but each celestial foundation contains countless timelines within itself ,even though the cosmology page itself doesn't properly explain it either but i feel like there is a situation were a single celestial foundation contains countless solar systems inside so i felt like this thing should be properly addressed

Are there any other statements regarding infinity ,i feel its kinder not fair to debunk several volumes worth of information with only a single scan ,
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
i agree with most things regarding the celestial foundations but each celestial foundation contains countless timelines within itself ,even though the cosmology page itself doesn't properly explain it either but i feel like there is a situation were a single celestial foundation contains countless solar systems inside so i felt like this thing should be properly addressed
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Timelines are most likely "not" confined within a CF. It would make no sense whatsoever. I'd say a more realistic approach would be that timelines/parallel worlds are encompassing something bigger (the Sea) for example.
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
Are there any other statements regarding infinity ,i feel its kinder not fair to debunk several volumes worth of information with only a single scan ,
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I mean, you see stuff like Mitsuki not being able to provide "infinite energy forever" and when you realize that "infinite" means "large amount that seems infinite" it makes way more sense.
 
Why would all celestial foundations be affected by this tho? I don’t see how some celestial foundations being small would debunk ALL of them.All you would have to do is prove that 1 CF is the size of a universe. And the sea would still contain it.and there are still countless celestial foundations so it’s tier wouldn’t really change much.

(Also feel like the thread is kinda rushed and could use more proof) cause “it likely works like this” isn’t a debunk
 
PHANtomFELdway said:
All you would have to do is prove that 1 CF is the size of a universe
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Sure, you're free to do so.

PHANtomFELdway said:
(Also feel like the thread is kinda rushed and could use more proof) cause “it likely works like this” isn’t a debunk
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We discussed it. Are you implying there exist countless version of Yogiri within the CF of Mitsuki? It feels way more comfortable assuming parallel universes/dimensions are entirely outside the scope of a reality/timeline, rather than multiple of them existing between CF.

Like, by that logic, Yogiri could encounter...Yogiri? That makes no sense, especially when you assume there should be only one active avatar at a time.
 
SweetDao said:
Timelines are most likely "not" confined within a CF. It would make no sense whatsoever. I'd say a more realistic approach would be that timelines/parallel worlds are encompassing something bigger (the Sea) for example.

I mean, you see stuff like Mitsuki not being able to provide "infinite energy forever" and when you realize that "infinite" means "large amount that seems infinite" it makes way more sense.
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Fair enough, though how does this debunked all celestial foundations,?
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
Fair enough, though how does this debunked all celestial foundations,?
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I mean, they are, from what we know, not universal in size. Even the closest resembling one of our universe (Yogiri's CF which is literally a Solar System) is merely SS sized. That one is considered a huge one compared to the Demon King, for example, while the Greater CF of the Demon King is "bigger than Earth". We can extrapolate that it's more or less SS sized too if necessary, but the point is we're extremely far away from 3-A size.
 
SweetDao said:
I mean, they are, from what we know, not universal in size. Even the closest resembling one of our universe (Yogiri's CF which is literally a Solar System) is merely SS sized. That one is considered a huge one compared to the Demon King, for example, while the Greater CF of the Demon King is "bigger than Earth". We can extrapolate that it's more or less SS sized too if necessary, but the point is we're extremely far away from 3-A size.
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There is no direct statement about the variations in size ,no? But the previous threads had accepted a celestial foundation as a 2B structure thus i felt the need for a legit reason as to why this should apply to all celestial foundations i.e to debunk why they shouldn't be.
But since the only confirmed sizes are hardly 3a ,then i agree
 
The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
There is no direct statement about the variations in size ,no?
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I mean, we have two/three examples of their size varying. Obviously, if people wish to just put every single one of them as SS, it's fine, wouldn't change much I'd say.


The_golden_and_silver_house94 said:
But the previous threads had accepted a celestial foundation as a 2B structure thus i felt the need for a legit reason as to why this should apply to all celestial foundations i.e to debunk why they shouldn't be.
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Well, the 2B wasn't bad, by any means, just that, reading through the story, you can guess that some stuff is a bit weird if you assume that timelines are within each CF.
 
SweetDao said:
Yes, that much seems rather clear.


As Elizhaa pointed out, there is one instance of a pocket dimension being supposedly "infinite in size" inside one of the worlds, however, not only is there stuff that contradicts it in the other novel, but the world the pocket dimension is supposedly in (so the supposed "infinite sized world") is called "minuscule" by Gods that, mind you, can travel to numerous worlds.

In fact, it's straight up stated that multiples cannons capable of "destroying a planet" would destroy the world itself.
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A varies rating should suffice. Make a note that an infinite-sized one is possible but not common.
 
Firestorm808 said:
A varies rating should suffice. Make a note that an infinite-sized one is possible but not common.
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What do you mean "possible"?

This can't be the case, at all. I've given you even a statement from a God that the supposed "infinite sized world" is "minuscule", it would make no sense whatsoever if it was infinite in size.
 
Regarding the 4-D aspect of the foundations, what is the relationship of "time" when outside the CF and among different Parallel Timelines. IE, do Parallel Timelines influence other CFs?
 
SweetDao said:
What do you mean "possible"?

This can't be the case, at all. I've given you even a statement from a God that the supposed "infinite sized world" is "minuscule", it would make no sense whatsoever if it was infinite in size.
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So the text suggests that it is impossible?
 
Firestorm808 said:
So a Pocket Dimension can be infinite, but for a CF, the text suggest that it is impossible?
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The world is stated as minuscule by Gods.
The world is stated to be able to be destroyed by planet-busting cannons.
There is a statement for the other novel that explains Infinite can't exist physically. (This is still on-hold for the moment since the novel it comes from need to be accepted as canon, but that should be simply enough)

If you argue the world is infinite, it means the battleships has, at the very least, infinite energy, which makes no sense whatsoever.
 
SweetDao said:
The world is stated as minuscule by Gods.
The world is stated to be able to be destroyed by planet-busting cannons.
There is a statement for the other novel that explains Infinite can't exist physically. (This is still on-hold for the moment since the novel it comes from need to be accepted as canon, but that should be simply enough)

If you argue the world is infinite, it means the battleships has, at the very least, infinite energy, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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So in application to the cosmological structure, things can't be infinite like High 3-A, 2-A, etc. It only exists abstractly.
 
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