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You also receive blessings from all of the Aedra, too, would just like to point out a blatant piece of evidence.
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The Elder Scrolls: Metaphysical Studies and Discussions - Lesson One
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Pelinal and Morihaus are Aedra and they're real.
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Pelinal is ghey.
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All of this Elder Scrolls downplay makes me want to Zero-Sum
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I also love how some people try to dismiss CHIM as a vague and undefined concept which may not even exist
When it is explicitly stated to be a form of Transdualism which frees one from all boundaries and limitations in Vehk's Teaching. Tiber Septim upon achieving it retroactively changed Cyrodill and Mankar Camoran's Commentaries say "those who know it can reshape the land"
Nevermind that Michael Kirkbride himself speaks of CHIM and Amaranth as real concepts which exist within TES
When it is explicitly stated to be a form of Transdualism which frees one from all boundaries and limitations in Vehk's Teaching. Tiber Septim upon achieving it retroactively changed Cyrodill and Mankar Camoran's Commentaries say "those who know it can reshape the land"
Nevermind that Michael Kirkbride himself speaks of CHIM and Amaranth as real concepts which exist within TES
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Just ******* read Vehk's Teaching, it tells you everything directly.
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"Intelligence: Self-Explanatory"Matthew Schroeder said:
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Damn, even when at tier 6, Vivec is strong as hell.Matthew Schroeder said:
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How far into 1-A are the CHIM anyway?
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Vivec and other beings who achieved CHIM are baseline, pretty sure
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Halting the fall of a meteor while preserving its initial velocity? That sounds a lot like he froze the meteor in time. Can I see the feat?Matthew Schroeder said:
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Biological Manipulation (Can make his enemies wither and die by draining them of their "Milk" / Vitality)
I mean
I mean
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Not my milk
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Clearly this milk must be Sticky White Stuff.
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> being transdual
> only baseline 1-A
O my
> only baseline 1-A
O my
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNI4d5uLME
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHGLDJtyJhQ
It's VERY clearly not Time Stop.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHGLDJtyJhQ
It's VERY clearly not Time Stop.
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So if he's just holding it up, why is it not just telekinesis?
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Because telekinetically holding something doesn't preserve its velocity.
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Where is it said it preserves its velocity?
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The entire plot of the novel "The Infernal City" and some plot-points in Skyrim revolve around Baar Dau / The Ministry of Truth retaining its original velocity when it stopped being held by Vivec. Or else it would just fall with a gravitational force of 10g and not cause the damage it did.
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Weird, but ok. I still don't think that qualifies as Vector Manipulation though.
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It's a textbook example of feat. He is redirecting the movement without actually stopping the movement.
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He's not redirecting vectors though, he's just stopping the rock from moving any further. Accelerator or Aladdin are text book examples of vector feats. This is not.
The fact that it is stopped in place also by its very nature contradicts that it keeps its original velocity, which is speed in a certain direction, so that's just the feat being weird.
The fact that it is stopped in place also by its very nature contradicts that it keeps its original velocity, which is speed in a certain direction, so that's just the feat being weird.
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No. Vivec halted the direction of the falling meteor, keeping it static in place whilst preserving its initial velocity. It's not the "Feat being weird", it's a feat for a god directly ******* with the Laws of Physics with his power, perfoming a feat that can be classified as manipulating Vectors.
There's no contradiction.
There's no contradiction.
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A vector is determined by direction and magnitude.
He's simply making the direction stationary.
He's simply making the direction stationary.
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Then it's physics manipulation, not vector manipulation.
It's contradictory because velocity is speed+direction. If he's stopped it moving, it has no speed, therefore it can't possibly have the same velocity. It doesn't make any sense to say something that has stopped moving has the same velocity as when it was moving. If you want to argue that its because he's breaking the laws of physics, then it is physics manipulation, not vector manipulation.
It's contradictory because velocity is speed+direction. If he's stopped it moving, it has no speed, therefore it can't possibly have the same velocity. It doesn't make any sense to say something that has stopped moving has the same velocity as when it was moving. If you want to argue that its because he's breaking the laws of physics, then it is physics manipulation, not vector manipulation.
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Except it has velocity still because Vivec does what he wants. Don't be so limited to think that divine magic is limited by the laws of physics, which don't even exist in the TES Universe.
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Can't we talk about Vivec's Spear though:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_14
"The holy one returned at last, Vehk, golden with wisdom. His head found its body had been tenderly used. He mentioned this to Molag Bal, who told him that he should thank the Barons of Move Like This, 'For I have yet to learn how to refine my rapture. My love is accidentally shaped like a spear.'
So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of ****'s so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.
Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:
'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'
Then that stretch of badlands that had been the site of the marriage fragmented and threw fire. And a race that is no more but that was terrible at the time to behold came forth. Born of the biters, that is all they did, and they ran amok across the lands of Veloth and even to the shores of Red Mountain.
But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of ****. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.
Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA, which is Milk Taker, and even the Chimeri mystics knew his fury. Anyone struck by Vivec at this time turned barren and withered into bone shapes. The path of bones became a sentence for the stars to read, and the heavens have never known children since. Vivec hunted down the biters one by one, and all their progeny, and he killed them all by means of the Nine Apertures, and the wise still hide theirs from Muatra."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:36_Lessons_of_Vivec,_Sermon_14
"The holy one returned at last, Vehk, golden with wisdom. His head found its body had been tenderly used. He mentioned this to Molag Bal, who told him that he should thank the Barons of Move Like This, 'For I have yet to learn how to refine my rapture. My love is accidentally shaped like a spear.'
So Vivec, who had a grain of Ayem's mercy, set about to teach Molag Bal in the ways of belly-magic. They took their spears out and compared them. Vivec bit new words onto the King of ****'s so that it might give more than ruin to the uninitiated. This has since become a forbidden ritual, though people still practice it in secret.
Here is why: The Velothi and demons and monsters that were watching all took out their own spears. There was much biting and the earth became wet. And this was the last laugh of Molag Bal:
'Watch as the earth shall crack, heavy with so much power, that should have been forever unalike!'
Then that stretch of badlands that had been the site of the marriage fragmented and threw fire. And a race that is no more but that was terrible at the time to behold came forth. Born of the biters, that is all they did, and they ran amok across the lands of Veloth and even to the shores of Red Mountain.
But Vivec made of his spear a more terrible thing, from a secret he had bitten off from the King of ****. And so he sent Molag Bal tumbling into the crack of the biters and swore forever that he would not deem the King beautiful ever again.
Vivec wept as he slew all those around him with his terrible new spear. He named it MUATRA, which is Milk Taker, and even the Chimeri mystics knew his fury. Anyone struck by Vivec at this time turned barren and withered into bone shapes. The path of bones became a sentence for the stars to read, and the heavens have never known children since. Vivec hunted down the biters one by one, and all their progeny, and he killed them all by means of the Nine Apertures, and the wise still hide theirs from Muatra."
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Ok sure, it has still velocity despite being frozen, because he wants it to. But that's still physics manipulation, not vector manipulation
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Or he simply stopped the vector from moving in any direction but didn't stop the vector itself.
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It could really be either. The quote doesn't even mention vectors, and velocity is as much a product of physics as it is vectors.
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Physics is actually a product of music in TES.
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Makes sense
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And the ocean is time.
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And this music is attuned by the bones of the Earth.
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