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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

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Well, i guess such lower-dimensional beings can move in higher-dimensional spaces, but they cannot move along all the axes of these higher-dimensional space.
pretty much yeah based on our site model anyways...

dimensions are just 1-D axes stacked perpendicularly onto themselves. which means multiple 1-D intersections exists so... yeah.. In addition to what you said here, higher dimensional beings can also "pop in and out of sight" to lower dimensional ones.
 
They can move in 100 directions, one at a time, but they cannot move in 100 directions at the same time
Why would they be limited to being able to move one direction at a time?

If the object is in 100D space, then you can displace it in 100 directions simultaneously by acting 100 different forces on it at the same time.
 
Another example: 0-D point moves forward, up, and to the left. It's moving through 3-D space but is only ever at a point throughout any time point in the journey. So it's moving in more directions than the dimensions it has.
 
Why would they be limited to being able to move one direction at a time?

If the object is in 100D space, then you can displace it in 100 directions simultaneously by acting 100 different forces on it at the same time.
Consider the distinction between an object propelling itself, and it being displaced by another object.
 
Why would they be limited to being able to move one direction at a time?

If the object is in 100D space, then you can displace it in 100 directions simultaneously by acting 100 different forces on it at the same time.
An object with a single direction of motion extends in one direction in that space. More precisely, it cannot extend in more than one direction at the same time
 
Consider the distinction between an object propelling itself, and it being displaced by another object.
Even in that distinction, lets say a one-dimensional object can only move in single forward motion, it should still be able to slightly change it's directory, kind of like a snake moving forward, and if it can't change its directory, the straight line it's traveling can still be displaced in multiple directions. You can move in a straight line in 3 dimensions, and your coordinates in all three dimensions can still shift.
 
Another example: 0-D point moves forward, up, and to the left. It's moving through 3-D space but is only ever at a point throughout any time point in the journey. So it's moving in more directions than the dimensions it has.
I don't think a 0-D point can "move" in the way you're describing. A point is an exact location in space and movement is an act of changing location or position. Other decidedly 0-D objects should still technically be able to move from point-to-point though.
 
An object with a single direction of motion extends in one direction in that space. More precisely, it cannot extend in more than one direction at the same time
It can extend in one direction of space, but that doesn't mean it can only move in one direction. it's the property of space that determines the degrees of movement, not property of the object.

In 2D space, a 2D object cannot flip, but it can in a 3D space.
 
It can extend in one direction of space, but that doesn't mean it can only move in one direction. it's the property of space that determines the degrees of movement, not property of the object.

In 2D space, a 2D object cannot flip, but it can in a 3D space.
An object with a single direction of motion extends in one direction in that space. More precisely, it cannot extend in more than one direction at the same time
Yes, as you can see from here, it runs along a single direction. And this action depends fundamentally on the subject itself. Don't misunderstand, I'm not talking about its move, I'm talking about the axis along which the subject extends. It depends on the subject itself rather than space.
 
I don't think a 0-D point can "move" in the way you're describing. A point is an exact location in space and movement is an act of changing location or position. Other decidedly 0-D objects should still technically be able to move from point-to-point though.
Oh, okay. Replace point with object and my point stands.
 
Y'all really need to chill with the little things or at least clarify that you agree with their overall point before correcting them. lmao.
 
I’m personally a bit confused on how Omnipotence now plays a role in Tier 0 as noted by Ultima. I thought we tended to stay away from that term.
Does it? I thought that Ultima was pretty against even using "omnipotence" statements for tiering, unless it has a hell of a lot of context behind it. Like I think "logical omnipotence" is Tier 0, but that has harsh standards.
 
I’m personally a bit confused on how Omnipotence now plays a role in Tier 0 as noted by Ultima. I thought we tended to stay away from that term.
The "omnipotence" here isn't necessarily the ability to do anything but it's moreso an existence that is "all powerful", above and lacking all qualities we could assign something. I dunno how to explain it well but basically concepts of monad and ultimate/absolute reality that have no contradictions.
 
Definitely not. From the looks it that seems like the typical cultivation story that treats everything like another rank or level that is reached via higher ascension power fantasy whatever.

Probably will be High 1-A.
 
Gu Chensa assimilated with beyond deathless realm.
Definitely not. From the looks it that seems like the typical cultivation story that treats everything like another rank or level that is reached via higher ascension power fantasy whatever.

Probably will be High 1-A.
Beyond deathless realm cannot be ascended via cultivation, even with infinite amount of lifetime.

  • Heavenly Dao:
    • The Governing concept/system of the series. It is the true origin of all. It is essentially the cosmology itself and has a will. space, time, all living beings, all things (raw), is the will of primordial chaos, life and death (raw). Even the creation of reality from primal chaos was by it's doing (raw)). Additionally, it is in control of it's aspects; "all space and time, all existence, all power, all cause and effect, all laws, all fate, all the inconceivable, unfathomable, unpredictable, and unmeasurable existence of the world".
Chen Qi knew the gap between himself and Gu Chensha. He was not as arrogant as Qin Guang, which was his advantage.

In fact, if Gu Chensha hadn't let him see it, he wouldn't have been able to find Gu Chensha's existence at all.

Even if Gu Chensha is in front of him, it is impossible for him to find the dimension where Gu Chensha is.

Gu Chensha's realm was far beyond his comprehension.

Even if he is about to break through a trillion lifespan, it is useless. He can't find the weakness of Gu Chensha, nor can he find the flaw of the virtual panel. Chapter 1135
And then there another novels from the Author.
 
@Ultima_Reality in your tiering system revision.

Is it possible to have Tier 0 cosmologies, or realms?

Like say the truest form of a verse reality is some form of unchangeable, uninteractable, nothingness. That can only be perceived by higher powers but those powers don't transcend it just allow you to see that reality really is just inherently nothingness

This isn't verse specific just random easy over simplified example
 
I’m personally a bit confused on how Omnipotence now plays a role in Tier 0 as noted by Ultima. I thought we tended to stay away from that term.

probably doesn't, probably does somehow.

True Omnipotence probably isn't something that can be conceptualized... any definition we give is just gonna be some kind of "lesser omnipotence" anyway. Essentially those truly omnipotent characters if they do somehow exist would be above tiering systems i guess since Tiering systems are based on our comprehension. However, the highest form of omnipotence we can fathom can qualify for Tier 0 but that work of fiction is probably gonna have to be so specific in its definition of omnipotence and has to lack all contradictions somehow, theres probably gonna be a quite a lot of criterias that the omnipotent being has to pass. The character probably has to be a Monad too iirc (dunno what a monad is myself, saw it in a youtube vid)... Idk i don't care about fictions with characters like these...
 
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I’m personally a bit confused on how Omnipotence now plays a role in Tier 0 as noted by Ultima. I thought we tended to stay away from that term.
It is less you reach tier 0 by being omnipotent and moreso that a tier 0 being by necessity must be omnipotent.
If something were to be tier 0, then by its simple nature of being it is omnipotent, (eg through it being properly monist, or nondual)
 
I feel like Don'talk and Ultima need to be put through a series of yes/no questions, at this point. Maybe someone to delete their messages if they say anything else.
At the same time, I also want character names, rather than just hypotheticals.
 
I feel like Don'talk and Ultima need to be put through a series of yes/no questions, at this point. Maybe someone to delete their messages if they say anything else.
Oh don't be so cruel. We still need to keep their graces so I'm not given all their work.
 
Yeah. When you hit Tier 0, the distinction between "character" and "place" really just comes down to whether the thing is an intelligence of sorts or if it's just mindless and impersonal.
In theory could a character some how scale to the Tier 0 cosmology as a smurf for 1 or a few hax?
 
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