The Boys discussion thread

[LegendariumOfLies]

For feats, the Deep is kind of bad in terms of anti feats. He got killed by the octopus, and got knocked out by the speed boat not even hitting him in season 2

Now the octopus feat does have some defenses. First, it’s bigger than real octopuses, so could be stronger as well. It also seems to have gone through he’s ass, so maybe he’s weaker from the inside out like Translucent. But the boat anti feat is pretty damming

That being said, I do think characters like the Deep, Starlight, Kimiko, etc, are at least wall level

The Building level scaling is interesting. We have it because it’s implied that Kimiko would survive Lamplighter’s fire. But isn’t that because she heals? Lamplighter was also scared of Cindy, but that might not be because she’s immune to his fire, but because he doesn’t know if she is. And if there’s a chance she survives, or he misses with his blast, then his head goes pop

Wrong the Peak solos. The Agenda will be maintained

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Wrong the Peak solos. The Agenda will be maintained

 

[Hellscream]

Wrong the Peak solos. The Agenda will be maintained

 

[Jropzone1]

For feats, the Deep is kind of bad in terms of anti feats. He got killed by the octopus, and got knocked out by the speed boat not even hitting him in season 2

Now the octopus feat does have some defenses. First, it’s bigger than real octopuses, so could be stronger as well. It also seems to have gone through he’s ass, so maybe he’s weaker from the inside out like Translucent. But the boat anti feat is pretty damming

That being said, I do think characters like the Deep, Starlight, Kimiko, etc, are at least wall level

The Building level scaling is interesting. We have it because it’s implied that Kimiko would survive Lamplighter’s fire. But isn’t that because she heals? Lamplighter was also scared of Cindy, but that might not be because she’s immune to his fire, but because he doesn’t know if she is. And if there’s a chance she survives, or he misses with his blast, then his head goes pop

MM said it would only piss her off meaning it wouldn't do anything to actually harm her

 

[Queen_Dasania]

MM said it would only piss her off meaning it wouldn't do anything to actually harm her

Tbf, snapping her neck would effectively only piss her off, even if it breaches her durability

But I guess the “possibly” rating works well enough then

 

[PresentTrunks]

But the boat anti feat is pretty damming

It wasn't even the boat, it was falling from the whale and hitting his head on gravely sand. Even the weaker Supes from Gen V have survived or tanked worse, so I think we can just dismiss this as a complete outlier. Fighting Starlight and punching through a skull (let alone anything Kimiko's done even in her weakest portrayals) are literally orders of magnitude above this.

 

[57Dev]

The Octopus going through his anus is nonsense either way. First, can't even that to a normal human, the force would just end up pushing the human. Also it someone tore the Deep's jaw so no it can't be dura neg, it overpowered his durability.

I don't think he has super durable insides, (no feat for such, he can dive very deep but since he has gills, his lungs won't collapse). Although my biggest problem with that scene is "For Ambriosia".

First, how would they even know ? Ambrosia died in Vought tower, no one should really know how she died other than the deep. Second, why tf do they give a shit ? Sharks would tear her apart and Octopus are cannibals. They established a whole fish genocide which would make much more sense being brought up here for revenge.

 

[Omegas03]

There are many ways to criticize the show. Using Stillwell's statements which could easily be explained as false is not one of em. Rather pointing out his inconsistent power levels would be better imho.

I think there are multiple statements for the Stillwell one to get completely dismissed

-Homelander claims he can easily level a city

-Stan Edgar says Homelander is as strong as a neutron bomb

-Butcher claims in season 3 that Soldier Boy must have died from a Hydrogen Bomb when it was thought SB was dead

-Soldier Boy claims that the radiation room that he trapped Homelander in season 5 was to see if supes could withstand an atomic bomb.

I am not advocating for Tier 7 btw or do I?

Point is that Homelander/SB have multiple accolades of the same level. It's not an isolated statement tbh and I don't think theres much Anti feats for them at least in AP/dura.

 

[Da3ggman]

I am not advocating for Tier 7 btw or do I?

Point is that Homelander/SB have multiple accolades of the same level. It's not an isolated statement tbh and I don't think theres much Anti feats for them at least in AP/dura.

lol

 

[Omegas03]

Elaborate

 

[ShionAH]

First, how would they even know ? Ambrosia died in Vought tower, no one should really know how she died other than the deep. Second, why tf do they give a shit ? Sharks would tear her apart and Octopus are cannibals. They established a whole fish genocide which would make much more sense being brought up here for revenge.

This is where the Deeps power is Animal Control not Speech theory comes from lol

 

[PresentTrunks]

Elaborate

He's saying that HL is a featless *****.

 

[Just_Butchering]

That being said, I do think characters like the Deep, Starlight, Kimiko, etc, are at least wall level

Small Building level*

The Building level scaling is interesting. We have it because it’s implied that Kimiko would survive Lamplighter’s fire. But isn’t that because she heals?

That's partly why is a possible rating

Lamplighter was also scared of Cindy, but that might not be because she’s immune to his fire, but because he doesn’t know if she is. And if there’s a chance she survives, or he misses with his blast, then his head goes pop

Uh, maybe? He also is pretty much a human level in stats, so he is ****** against her unless he attacks first.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Small Building level*

That's partly why is a possible rating

Uh, maybe? He also is pretty much a human level in stats, so he is ****** against her unless he attacks first.

I’m just saying at least building level because someone was saying to downgrade to street level+. Anything below wall level makes no sense at all

 

[Just_Butchering]

I’m just saying at least building level because someone was saying to downgrade to street level+

Delusional mofo lol. Like, at their worst, they still break walls and overpower our also wall level humans

Anything below wall level makes no sense at all

Genuinely

 

[DaReaperMan]

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

9-B Homelander take it or leave it

 

[Just_Butchering]

9-B Homelander take it or leave it

I'm sometimes torn between just upscaling from the rest of the supes or getting him to tier 7, no middle ground(?

 

[Omegas03]

I'm sometimes torn between just upscaling from the rest of the supes or getting him to tier 7, no middle ground(?

Scorched carpet (9-C) tier

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

-Homelander claims he can easily level a city

Without a timeframe this doesnt really support anything higher than he currently scales to.

-Stan Edgar says Homelander is as strong as a neutron bomb

That part of the statement was actually referring to Soldier Boy

-Butcher claims in season 3 that Soldier Boy must have died from a Hydrogen Bomb when it was thought SB was dead

This is like the only legit one.

-Soldier Boy claims that the radiation room that he trapped Homelander in season 5 was to see if supes could withstand an atomic bomb.

The radiation from it, not the blast.

 

[57Dev]

Not to mention Butcher's statement holds no value. The world only has Vought propoganda as their info on Soldier boy at the time.

Considering Soldier boy wasn't even in a war, just being their for Photo ops.

 

[Just_Butchering]

That part of the statement was actually referring to Soldier Boy

You say that as if Homelander didn't scale from SB anyways lol

 

[57Dev]

You say that as if Homelander didn't scale from SB anyways lol

Considering the wording being Neutron Bomb, it's most likely his chest blast.

Which Homelander doesn't scale to since he would die.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I'm sometimes torn between just upscaling from the rest of the supes or getting him to tier 7, no middle ground(?

I mean Homelander is unironically the God Tier of the verse - or at least was before Kripke forgot how to write and suddenly every Tom, Dick, and Henry could solo him.

 

[Omegas03]

Without a timeframe this doesnt really support anything higher than he currently scales to.

Fair

Considering the wording being Neutron Bomb, it's most likely his chest blast.

Which Homelander doesn't scale to since he would die.

As if Maeve (who is firmly weaker than HL) didn't tank Soldier Boy's fully powered chest blast in season 3 finale

 

[57Dev]

As if Maeve (who is firmly weaker than HL) didn't tank Soldier Boy's fully powered chest blast in season 3 finale

That was complete plot armor and nothing more.

Maeve somehow survived a blast that melts Supes after stripping their powers, but also survived getting flung from the explosion over dozens of meters above ground and hitting the ground as a normal ass human.

Same universe where a girl jumping from a five story building somehow exploded like a water balloon.

 

[ShionAH]

That was complete plot armor and nothing more.

Homelander >>>> Anything conceivable in the verse including the chest beam.

 

[ShionAH]

Anyways I found a MFTL+ feats for Homelander



Official btw

 

[57Dev]

Homelander >>>> Anything conceivable in the verse including the chest beam.

No way to prove that since the Chest beam one shots him.

 

[57Dev]

Also when you are a humanoid, the Bunker being neutron bomb proof doesn't mean shit. That bunker as only as only as strong as it's weakest door joint.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

That was complete plot armor and nothing more.

Maeve somehow survived a blast that melts Supes after stripping their powers, but also survived getting flung from the explosion over dozens of meters above ground and hitting the ground as a normal ass human.

Same universe where a girl jumping from a five story building somehow exploded like a water balloon.

Bravo Kripke. I wonder if the reason The Boys Powerscaling became a shitshow was because Kripke cant write

 

[ShionAH]

No way to prove that since the Chest beam one shots him.

It didn’t one shot Maeve, who Homelander is more durable than

 

[ByArrow]

Also when you are a humanoid, the Bunker being neutron bomb proof doesn't mean shit. That bunker as only as only as strong as it's weakest door joint.

The statement wasn’t that the Bunker was proff to a neutron bomb. The statement was that there were supes with the power of a neutron bomb, and that the Bunker was safe against them.

 

[57Dev]

It didn’t one shot Maeve, who Homelander is more durable than

Like I said PIS.

 

[ShionAH]

Like I said PIS.

I don’t buy it, we only ever saw it one shot weaker Supes meanwhile top tiers like Maeve or Bombsight tank it

 

[ByArrow]

Like I said PIS.

How did Meave wasn’t one-shotted advance/contribute the overall plot?

 

[57Dev]

I don’t buy it, we only ever saw it one shot weaker Supes meanwhile top tiers like Maeve or Bombsight tank it

Again PIS. Maeve also survived falling half the length of Vought tower as a human. It's clear the writers wanted her to survive and thus the plot armor. With Bombsight, he chose to only blast him with enough radiation to depower him. It's just something he can do now.

And the blast is very inconsistent. Kimko's blast only made Sage take a tumble despite Sage being human level, but completely knocked out Ryan who is arguably the second strongest being in the world.

 

[57Dev]

And the Neutron bomb comparison doesn't work. I have already debunked that a month ago, Shit was thrown in to sound cool.

 

[ShionAH]

Again, I don’t buy it being PIS. Theres not enough antifeats/antistatements for me to agree. We only saw it one shot randoms while barely affect top tiers, additionally like FrenchGhostie stated Kimiko works better with Love than Rage which is why she blasted better. Thanks Kripke.

 

[Ethnikistis]

That part of the statement was actually referring to Soldier Boy

Why is Stans statement even about anyone?
He is just referring to the integrity and durability of his bunker.There is also nothing that states that "Homelander/Soldier Boy could break through it".