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The Boys discussion thread

Find some CGMs who don't mind and ask them to evaluate it on their wall. @Dalesean027 might be willing to take a look.
If you could do that, that would be great. I'm not on the wiki a bunch and I am unfamiliar with the messaging system besides threads so I would rather leave the reaching out to Admins to someone who cares more than me about getting the calculation accepted.
 
Just saw the season finale of The Boys. Was okay. Gonna post my thoughts.

So, Billy's tumor... did I understand right, or is his superpower "Super strength tentacles but only when willing to murder supepowered targets"?

Was neat seeing Homelander's reaction to the photo, even if I'm surprised they off-screened how Ryan evaded him. Like, what? Homelander could SEE Ryan leaving & was telling him to do the opposite, yet Ryan left with barely any notice nor concern?
Nonetheless, man.... Homelander needs to take some parenting lessons. Maybe Sister Sage can help him with that, lol.

What was in that jar Homelander expressed disgust at? Dried webbing or something?


How the Shapeshifter works is neat. With the way she phrased her backstory, I wonder if her first time copying someone was without contact; She spoke nostalgically about that event of copying her teacher, & I'd think that any circumstances where one could do that, it'd be noticed. Did she only get the memories without the appearance that time?

The shapeshifter's hammyness was also entertaining, & it was amusing that she corrected psychopath to sociopath.
At times, I wondered if her rhetoric wasn't entirely wrong, but I don't remember entirely what about now.

Interesting of Billy to trust his dying steakhouse wish to Huey. Character development? Does he think Huey is somehow 1 of the more reliable members? (He's at least got a good moral compass, IMHO)

For a while, when Firecracker mentioned feeling slow like molasses in winter to a gopher & so asked them to get her... I think it was some kind of coffee with double whip, & then she was coughing, I wondered for a while if somehow the virus had got out -Or maybe she was somehow lactose intolerant.- & only later did I realize/remember it was just her heart problems. Heart literally too big or such, she said in episode 7?

It was also amusing seeing her utter something about "Enough running" & then switch to a gun. Was the implication she wanted to get in range to spark in their face, but got so worn out following a regular human that she switched to a firearm in desperation?

I did wonder what Homelander was thinking, claimedly going against Sister Sage's plan & while outing Vicky Neuman on live TV where it seemed like they presented being a superhero as a bad thing. (Not that I don't understand why some might oppose her candidacy with that info in mind.)

I also wondered if Homelander unwittingly helped The Boys, since the protests might have delay the elections & thus what they were aming for....

How did Huey lose the data from his laptop? Did The Shapeshifter use their time together to copy-on-contact Huey's memories of his PC password, go into his file systems. & delete them? Did he share the password with Starlight for some reason?

Neat to know that Ryan likes some parts of living at the tower, or so he claims. I wonder which? Wasn't there a moment earlier in the season where Ryan apparently enjoyed penalizing the supposedly troublesome employee that Homelander had brought to attention for that?
He joked about eating veggies on the burgers.... I recall him playing a Vaught fighter game, but soon remarked on being lonely because everyone avoids him or such.
& his speech on the puppet show before was something about sending a message.

So he likes... the food? Privileges? Power? Being influential? I almost wonder if he has his father's manipulative, cruel tendencies, but I'd hope not, & his aversion to violence & apparent timidity suggest otherwise, no?

Kind of neat to see Billy caring about what Ryan wants to do. Shame Grace lacked her namesake (Hah!) & failed to stop him. Using Ryan might not be right, especially since he doesn't wanna be weaponized... but as is, he kind of his at odds with his father, & arguably, the training Grace's offer implied could've been valuable for that.
But having refused both seemingly Billy & Homelander, I wonder if Ryan's to be sort of a renegade...? (Not to mention, Grace seemed like she might not be willing to risk Ryan enough to train him properly.)
She said she was going to use some kind of gas to kill them & Ryan?

I wonder if how Ryan intercepted her movement is a good speed feat. Is it calc-able? Did he begin moving while Grace's hand was already very near the button?
I wonder if Ryan will be able to get better control....

During the taking out the list: I wonder would Homelander care about contract payments owed? & also, why are there apparently so many ladies named Ashley there?
& briefly during that, I thought The Deep was being kind. What a shame.

Also, did we even see what Ashley amounted to after her use of V? Sure we saw the... onset of its effects, but not much beyond that, right? (Is it supposed to be a loosely placed next season plot hook??)

So, with Firecracker, Homelander, The Deep, Black Noir, Firecracker, & Sister Sage.... The Seven will be six entering Season 5? (Unless we count Ryan, lol.)

Apparently, the Shapeshifter overheats when in someone else's form?
Also, during the water-grabbing scene, did she know they suspected her?
Also, I'd forgotten that Starlight is bulletproof.

Stamina/Skill feat: Starlight beat an opponent with her memories, physique & superhuman physical characteristics powers, primarily using her hands/fist despite that Starlight's wrists were purposefully mutilated (To escape the cuffs.) & she was seemingly malnourished, injured & tired? Or just Plot-Induced Stupidity, since they had to get the Shapeshifter (seemingly) dead?
Although I had a bit of trouble taking her boast seriously. To me it felt like "I don't know if I'm morally a hero, but I'm the one beating you."
Kind of petty, no?

Not to mention Kimiko just getting up with her neck righted as soon as Starlight's done. Was she able to do that & just didn't feel like jumping in to help?

Apparently pashmina is a "a fine wool similar to cashmere made from the undercoat of domestic Himalayan goats.". Supposedly it can be both warming &/or cooling or something? IDK?

Serge saying he could get the virus into Vicky: "With a carbon metamterial tip on a dart gun to soft tissue, then perhaps.".
That's probably been analyzed already. Homelander is more durable than Vicky, right?
Also, kind of neat that Vicky can regenerate part of her eyes, but I doubt the same is the case for what happened with her torso.

Also, it felt like Billy's power was kind of a souped-up version of Zoe's, no?

I do wonder. When Billy showed up to deal with Vicky, was he in full control, or was it like when he was unconscious & tore apart the stretchy guy without remembering it? He was speaking at least, but should he remember it?

I'm a little incredulous that what happened was part of Sister Sage's plan. She planned for the actions of an underground radical group she presumably doesn't know the identites of, among other details leading to the eliminations of the presidential candidates? Was herself getting shot to be temporarily incapable part of this plan?! Getting (seemingly temporarily) removed from The Seven?
Sister Sage cared about Homelander trusting her? For all her apparent bitterness & apathy?

It was also entertaining, but a little worried/cliche, that the supergenius who literally has a cure for cancer -Which she won't use... unless... On Billy?- chooses to use her superpowers for megalomaniacal schemes & enjoys it. A little heartwarming to see her finally able to enjoy something without damaging herself so much, though. A little.
I also wonder if Homelander doesn't feel upset, realizing he was played as a cog in Sister Sage's scheme.

The ending, with martial law & deputized superheroes was kind of neat. I wonder who dropped the boat near Huey. Was that from Not-Eleven-From-Stranger-Things, who also seems to have some kind of... ferrokinesis? (Might be useful to take out electrical things that Starlight can get power from, but surely the showmakers wouldn't be creative like that, would they...?)

Seeing someone impervious to Kimiko, & hearing her voice was also neat.

&.... That's Soldier Boy in some kind of stasis?



Apologies for all the words. Lots of thoughts, lots of questions, sorry about being late to the party.
I'd be appreciative of anyone willing to indulge me on any of these matters on my mind, please.
 
So, Billy's tumor... did I understand right, or is his superpower "Super strength tentacles but only when willing to murder supepowered targets"?
So, assuming is at least kinda loke Sun-Hee's tumor, it seems cancerous tumors just becomes sentient and evil when compound V is injected, but my guess is that because in Billy's case is a brain tumor, is uses Billy's own evil side to its advantage?

What was in that jar Homelander expressed disgust at? Dried webbing or something?
His pubic hair lol, it's shown in Ep 1. He is disgusted that he ages.

How the Shapeshifter works is neat. With the way she phrased her backstory, I wonder if her first time copying someone was without contact; She spoke nostalgically about that event of copying her teacher, & I'd think that any circumstances where one could do that, it'd be noticed. Did she only get the memories without the appearance that time?
They probably just touched the teacher by accident and also unconsciously activated their powers?
Interesting of Billy to trust his dying steakhouse wish to Huey. Character development? Does he think Huey is somehow 1 of the more reliable members? (He's at least got a good moral compass, IMHO)
Hughie* 😭

It was also amusing seeing her utter something about "Enough running" & then switch to a gun. Was the implication she wanted to get in range to spark in their face, but got so worn out following a regular human that she switched to a firearm in desperation?
She has super strength, so she probably thought of killing the man with that, but because of the meds f*cking her heart over, she switched to her pistol.

Did The Shapeshifter use their time together to copy-on-contact Huey's memories of his PC password, go into his file systems. & delete them? Did he share the password with Starlight for some reason?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought the shapeshifter had an pendrive or something that they plugged in and screw Hughie's laptop

During the taking out the list: I wonder would Homelander care about contract payments owed? & also, why are there apparently so many ladies named Ashley there?
I think Noir II was either using a hyperbole, or just a lazy excuse for him to fail killing the actual Ashley
So, with Firecracker, Homelander, The Deep, Black Noir, Firecracker, & Sister Sage.... The Seven will be six entering Season 5? (Unless we count Ryan, lol.)
Five, you counted Firecracker twice lol

Also, during the water-grabbing scene, did she know they suspected her?
Also, I'd forgotten that Starlight is bulletproof
No, probably when Hughie and MM folded immediately when the shapeshifter approached them lol
And, yeah, Annie is bulletproof, but I don't think the shapeshifter got that from her, theu probably are naturally bulletproof.

Stamina/Skill feat: Starlight beat an opponent with her memories, physique & superhuman physical characteristics powers, primarily using her hands/fist despite that Starlight's wrists were purposefully mutilated (To escape the cuffs.) & she was seemingly malnourished, injured & tired? Or just Plot-Induced Stupidity, since they had to get the Shapeshifter (seemingly) dead?
The shapeshifter has Annie's memories, but that's it, nothing else from her. And even then, having someone's memories doesn't make you an expert on what you see (specially when you don't use their skill-related memories)

While it is an stamina (and regen) feat, I also think it's to an extent a little P.I.S., specially since Kimiko got one shotted lol. Annie isn't stronger than her, wtf show 😭

Not to mention Kimiko just getting up with her neck righted as soon as Starlight's done. Was she able to do that & just didn't feel like jumping in to help?
Kimiko's regen takes as long as the scene needs.

That's probably been analyzed already. Homelander is more durable than Vicky, right?
I'll let you guess 😂

I do wonder. When Billy showed up to deal with Vicky, was he in full control, or was it like when he was unconscious & tore apart the stretchy guy without remembering it? He was speaking at least, but should he remember it?
I think he was in control, but more incline to work with kessler. I think if Kessler was in full control he wouldn't spare Zoe or even Kimiko and Annie.

I'm a little incredulous that what happened was part of Sister Sage's plan. She planned for the actions of an underground radical group she presumably doesn't know the identites of, among other details leading to the eliminations of the presidential candidates? Was herself getting shot to be temporarily incapable part of this plan?! Getting (seemingly temporarily) removed from The Seven?
Sister Sage cared about Homelander trusting her? For all her apparent bitterness & apathy?
She meant the part of getting rid of Neuman and Singer. She had plans for both, but thanks to the boys, she skipped that and got (close enough) results.

The ending, with martial law & deputized superheroes was kind of neat. I wonder who dropped the boat near Huey. Was that from Not-Eleven-From-Stranger-Things, who also seems to have some kind of... ferrokinesis? (Might be useful to take out electrical things that Starlight can get power from, but surely the showmakers wouldn't be creative like that, would they...?)
S2E6, her name is Cindy c:

&.... That's Soldier Boy in some kind of stasis?
S3E8, he is drugged up, likely in Novichok.
 
So, assuming is at least kinda loke Sun-Hee's tumor, it seems cancerous tumors just becomes sentient and evil when compound V is injected, but my guess is that because in Billy's case is a brain tumor, is uses Billy's own evil side to its advantage?
What a specific side-effect, lol. "Warning: Will cause your tumors to become sentient & evil."
His pubic hair lol, it's shown in Ep 1. He is disgusted that he ages.
Shameful of me as it may be to say, I do think it's quite tragic & pitiful for a being that fancies itself a deity to know it must age.
I do apologize if you mind my terminology for him. I am often rather callous towards his character, in part because he is not a superpowered being. I take more interest in superpowered characters, & "Huey" & "Hughie" are homonyms, but the former takes fewer characters to type.
If you really do prefer, I can try to type his name as "Hughie" in the future, though....
She has super strength, so she probably thought of killing the man with that, but because of the meds f*cking her heart over, she switched to her pistol.
Forgive my asking, please, but she has super-strength?
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought the shapeshifter had an pendrive or something that they plugged in and screw Hughie's laptop
You're a very dedicated fan & I often don't trust my own memory, so I'll trust your memory until further notice. Could check a summary or something.
Five, you counted Firecracker twice lol
Argh, facepalm at my self. In my defense, I'd been very tired. Been up a while, even fell asleep for a short period of time, around an hour & a half ago. Thankfully, that seems to have left me more awake now.
No, probably when Hughie and MM folded immediately when the shapeshifter approached them lol
But it is indeed evident that the shapeshifter noticed their suspicion of her?
And, yeah, Annie is bulletproof, but I don't think the shapeshifter got that from her, theu probably are naturally bulletproof.
I don't recall much evidence of that, although admittedly, I wasn't looking for bullet trails during scenes like when she was rushing down a staircase while discarding her... "worn-out disguise".
The shapeshifter has Annie's memories, but that's it, nothing else from her.
How do we know? The personality is evidently different, but both are super-durable, & Starlight lacked her powers at the time, no?
And even then, having someone's memories doesn't make you an expert on what you see
True.
(specially when you don't use their skill-related memories)
But that's the evidence of this? Could it be called PIS that she didn't use Starlight's skills?
While it is an stamina (and regen) feat, I also think it's to an extent a little P.I.S., specially since Kimiko got one shotted lol.
Had we seen that her wrists healed after escaping? When? Were they still damaged during the fight?
Annie isn't stronger than her, wtf show 😭
Lol, IKR? Agreed.
Kimiko's regen takes as long as the scene needs.
Writers really were flying by the seat of their pants this season, no?
I'll let you guess 😂
Uhhh.... Well, although Homelander's heat vision -His main weapon- is sometimes shown to be oddly percussive, AFAIK, heat has its own kind of durability/resistance scaling based on temperature compared to physicals.
But AP would say that if Homelander can output that much energy from his eyes, he can output that in his physical attacks, too, arguably?
& most characters don't break their own bones doing attacks like punches, kicks, headbutts, etc., Homelander included; Their Durability is around sufficient to tolerate their own AP/SS.

& I vaguely recall something about Homelander wanting to acquire a presidential position or such, which Vicky was a candidate for. If he wanted her dead, he could have killed her & framed someone else... but maybe he'd be worried about being publicly outed & the ensuing outrage?

So.... Homelander is more durable than Vicky Neuman??
That's my guess. How off the mark am I, if I may ask?
I think he was in control, but more incline to work with kessler. I think if Kessler was in full control he wouldn't spare Zoe or even Kimiko and Annie.
Understandable.
She meant the part of getting rid of Neuman and Singer. She had plans for both, but thanks to the boys, she skipped that and got (close enough) results.
Yeah, but didn't Singer's confession happen because of his time with The Boys or such, or is my memory wrong?
Also, close enough? What was off? Web Weaver dying?
S2E6, her name is Cindy c:
Ah, thank you very much!
S3E8, he is drugged up, likely in Novichok.
Thank you very much for this as well!


Answers much appreciated. I assume you've nothing to say on matters like the Ryan stuff? (Such as him intercepting Grace's button bashing.)

I do apologize if I yammer more verbosely than you'd prefer or in ways you dislike.
 
What a specific side-effect, lol. "Warning: Will cause your tumors to become sentient & evil."
I know lol. They should sue Vought
Forgive my asking, please, but she has super-strength?
She says so herself, and then she briefly fights Kimiko
Been up a while, even fell asleep for a short period of time, around an hour & a half ago. Thankfully, that seems to have left me more awake now.
It's okay mate
How do we know? The personality is evidently different, but both are super-durable, & Starlight lacked her powers at the time, no?
I mean, if they Shapeshifter copies the physicals of who they touch, then either that woman was a supe or idk how they restrained Annie lol

Also, the fight against Annie would have been longer if they were equals, at least IMO
But that's the evidence of this? Could it be called PIS that she didn't use Starlight's skills?
Nah, I just think the shifter gets access to the memories, but that's doesn't mean they learned what she can do. Also, against Kimiko and Annie she just wanted to bite then lol
Had we seen that her wrists healed after escaping? When? Were they still damaged during the fight?
I think she was healed at the end, but maybe I'm wrong
So.... Homelander is more durable than Vicky Neuman??
That's my guess. How off the mark am I, if I may ask?
Homelander is the strongest supe, so, yeah, but default he upscales from everyone.
Yeah, but didn't Singer's confession happen because of his time with The Boys or such, or is my memory wrong?
Yeah, that's the only BS to me. Why was the shifter filming? 😭
Also, close enough? What was off? Web Weaver dying?
I mean Neuman dying earlier. She probably wanted to get rid of her after the elections, but now thanks to Butcher it was faster.
I assume you've nothing to say on matters like the Ryan stuff? (Such as him intercepting Grace's button bashing.)
I don't think it's honestly impressive, but maybe I remember the scene wrong.
 
She says so herself, and then she briefly fights Kimiko
Ah, my bad.
I mean, if they Shapeshifter copies the physicals of who they touch, then either that woman was a supe or idk how they restrained Annie lol
Makes sense.
I think she was healed at the end, but maybe I'm wrong
I'm not sure either, sadly.
Homelander is the strongest supe, so, yeah, but default he upscales from everyone.
Even moreso than the superpowered Black Noir & Soldier Boy?
Yeah, that's the only BS to me. Why was the shifter filming? 😭
Wasn't she hired by someone?
Also, she was spying. But yeah, I guess it would be strange. You'd think The Boys would be concerned if she was filming.
I don't think it's honestly impressive, but maybe I remember the scene wrong.
Fair enough.
 
Even moreso than the superpowered Black Noir & Soldier Boy?
Yes, Soldier Boy is just "nearly" as strong as Homelander
And Noir is nowhere near as strong as him.
Wasn't she hired by someone?
Also, she was spying. But yeah, I guess it would be strange. You'd think The Boys would be concerned if she was filming.
Yes, by Sage. But still, I would've loved if she at least hinted that the shifter had a cam
 
Yes, Soldier Boy is just "nearly" as strong as Homelander
And Noir is nowhere near as strong as him.
Wasn't there something about Black Noir being meant as Homelander 2.0?
Was that because genetics in The Boys decided to exhibit a sense of drama & require sacrifice power to make Noir more controllable & less volatile compared to Homelander?
Yes, by Sage. But still, I would've loved if she at least hinted that the shifter had a cam
Such a thing is strange to omit, even if Sage did even have her own multi-faceted menagerie of machinations, apparently, lol.

Thank you very much for the answerings & indulging as always!
 
Wasn't there something about Black Noir being meant as Homelander 2.0?
Was that because genetics in The Boys decided to exhibit a sense of drama & require sacrifice power to make Noir more controllable & less volatile compared to Homelander?
Comics exclusive
 
That link takes me to an Imgur "The requested page could not be found." error.

Did Imgur take it down? Are Gallery links weird? Region-locking? Spelling mistake? Something else?
Holy hell do i hate Imgur, it works for me, especially it is a frame right before the Tanker explodes, not only showing Homelander standing further away from it, but it's also far smaller than 10 m, I calced it to be 6.356 m
 
Holy hell do i hate Imgur, it works for me, especially it is a frame right before the Tanker explodes, not only showing Homelander standing further away from it, but it's also far smaller than 10 m, I calced it to be 6.356 m
Could you reupload it somewhere, please?
Like Postimg?
 
Great, an even more accurate calculation and potentially an upgrade!
No it's not an upgrade bro.... I calced it quickly and it's a giant slash to the AP and DC, explosion itself is 92.52 Tons but with how far Homelander stands I am afraid he is going down into Large Building level
 
No it's not an upgrade bro.... I calced it quickly and it's a giant slash to the AP and DC, explosion itself is 92.52 Tons but with how far Homelander stands I am afraid he is going down into Large Building level
Ain't no way...

 
Oh boy, this frame in the Diabolical Ep 8
Oh yeah, that frame, tbh, I always wonder why that one was never used for the calc

I do hope the calc doesn't go down that much though. The explosion is still 754+ tons of TNT, so it should still be 8-A
No it's not an upgrade bro.... I calced it quickly and it's a giant slash to the AP and DC, explosion itself is 92.52 Tons but with how far Homelander stands I am afraid he is going down into Large Building level
The explosion ain't 92.52 tons dude 😭
 
Oh yeah, that frame, tbh, I always wonder why that one was never used for the calc

I do hope the calc doesn't go down that much though. The explosion is still 754+ tons of TNT, so it should still be 8-A

The explosion ain't 92.52 tons dude 😭
Due to us now being able to compare the guy being cut to the Tanker directly, it's downgraded from 10 to 6-7 m, and with that entire explosion radius is reduced
 
Due to us now being able to compare the guy being cut to the Tanker directly, it's downgraded from 10 to 6-7 m, and with that entire explosion radius is reduced
I mean, does it? The dude is cut shortly below the neck and we don't know his height, so the ladder width from OSHA may still be more reliable. Now whether that panel has different proportions for the tank itself idk, maybe I could check it later.

Otherwise, I'm also wondering if angsizing would put Homelander that far away.
 
Kinda irrelevant to the current discussion but there's this feat of Grace tanking a missle's explosion that lands really close to her. Might be a good support feat for 9-B humans, maybe even a slight upgrade from 133 kilojoules.
 
No it's not an upgrade bro.... I calced it quickly and it's a giant slash to the AP and DC, explosion itself is 92.52 Tons but with how far Homelander stands I am afraid he is going down into Large Building level
That seems way more consistent with the verse overall in my opinion. I wouldn't be opposed to this downgrade. But actually looking at the picture posted in the calculation, the pic would make the tanker bigger than what it was calculated before, making the radius bigger as well. How would this downgrade the calculation?
 
That seems way more consistent with the verse overall in my opinion. I wouldn't be opposed to this downgrade. But actually looking at the picture posted in the calculation, the pic would make the tanker bigger than what it was calculated before, making the radius bigger as well. How would this downgrade the calculation?
After doing some recalcing using Homelander's face as a base I got this, we might still keep 8-B Homelander
 
After doing some recalcing using Homelander's face as a base I got this, we might still keep 8-B Homelander
I think a more accurate way of scaling the black guy would be by using the distance between the top of his hat to the brim of his hat, as eyeballing the length you calculated near Homelander in the full tanker shot seems prone to errors.
 
Using top part reduces the actual width of the thing, one I used is closer to the level of guy's face, this is more accurate
Yes, but that's because in the explosion screeshot they keep that in mind when making the scaling. I can't tell if you that, but at a glance it doesn't
 
Reposting a review I forgot to post here.

I just watched season 3 of The Boys and man, it was so good. Though it could have had a few improvements. I must say that Soldier boy wasn't that good of a character. Like, he is way too ruthless, an asshole for barely any reason, and he doesn't care for anything, so he's hard to gain sympathy towards. Like, if we were shown that he was empathy for anyone, cares or protects anyone, I would have had more sympathy for him. But he just abused and killed others very ruthlessly for barely any reason. Not my cup of tea. That being said, he is funny. And he is better than Stormfront, man, Stormfront was an incredibly awful villainess, like, he was a bit funny due to how outrageous she is, but she felt too plain. Soldier boy felt more human, maybe because I felt he talked about more things other than racism. Like, Stormfront felt like a caricature of a person. She makes me reconsider dating cute girls that hate me and my whole race, I don't think I'd truly like such caricatures of people likes Nazis and shit. Speaking of racism, is it me or Mother's Milk calling Soldier boy a racist when they fought him came out of nowhere? I mean, he probably is since he was unfrozen from the old times. I think he was from the 80s or something, I don't know, I didn't check the chronological ages, but it was from the black and white TV times so he must have been pretty racist. Anyway, that scene would have had more impact if Soldier Boy was more racist, Like, maybe I am missing something, but I didn't understand that he was racist from what the show showed. Oh, and I was fully expecting to like the character, that he'd be a literally me character, but he doesn't have enough flaws to be literally me.

Either way, I must say that Maeve's character development was kino, and she even lost her powers like she wanted to. I am happy for her. Oh, and I am quite sad about what happened to Black Noir, Homelander did him dirty. But I liked his death scene, with the cartoon animals and all. Quite endearing. Homelander was quite good too, that scene at the end with Ryan was amazing. Now he knows he can get away with anything. Ah, and I must say that I hate that soyboy that's cucking Mother's milk, I hope he dies. I should say that I don't like Starlight, something about her makes me dislike her. I liked Butcher and Hughie.

I hope the future seasons maintain the same quality or get even better. 8/10 season.
 
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