The Boxer Problems

[Vzearr]

The Boxer Versus Vzearr

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Yu's Page​

Abilities​

1. Limited Durability Negation - Durability negation doesn't count as being stronger than your opponent and getting through their guard, that's just strength and doesn't target vital organs or anything.
2. Resistance to: Analytical Prediction - This doesn't mean you can resist someone predicting where you're going, and this justification is bunk. This is not analytical prediction, this is just learning and adapting.
3. Greater Durability Negation - Can't be greater if it's not there in the first place.

Powerscaling​

Calculations​

Viktor punches in the mine
1. No real evidence in how many punches this was done. On screen it was 3, but we know he was punching beforehand.
2. This look's more like a cone, it's much deeper in the middle, like a cone, I'd only accept forearm and- wait, it should be forearm and hand length minus the fingers.
J interrupts Yu from punching Fabrizio
Wow, it's been 2 years since I saw this calc, and it's been there for 2 years despite being wrong.

1. There is no evidence J moves all of that distance within the timeframe of Yu punching, he could have been much much closer, this calc accepts a highball.

That's it, that's the debunk. Plain and simple.​

 

[Viott]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/The_boxer_:_viktor_ap_(Recalc)

1. Because Viktor is closer to the POV than the crater, the calculation start's off highballed.​

Viktor isn’t closer to the POV than to the crater.

2. No real evidence in how many punches this was done. On screen it was 3, but we know he was punching beforehand.​

He threw a maximum of 3 punches, and there’s no evidence that he threw more than that.

3. This look's more like a cone, it's much deeper in the middle, like a cone, I'd only accept forearm and- wait, it should be forearm and hand length minus the fingers.​

Since the height and width are not the same, this cannot be a cone. It looks most like an ellipsoid.

 

[Vzearr]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Viott/The_boxer_:_viktor_ap_(Recalc)

Viktor isn’t closer to the POV than to the crater.

He is, how are you denying this.

He threw a maximum of 3 punches, and there’s no evidence that he threw more than that.

There is no evidence that he threw a max of 3 lol. We only see that onscreen.

Since the height and width are not the same, this cannot be a cone. It looks most like an ellipsoid.

Yeah, but it's not a semi ellipsoid.

 

[azontr]

All of this was literally already covered in another thread and you stopped responding after failing to address my arguments, petty ass thread.

 

[Robo432343]

terrible thread

 

[Vzearr]

All of this was literally already covered in another thread and you stopped responding after failing to address my arguments, petty ass thread.

What are you talking about.

terrible thread

Why are you derailing.

 

[azontr]

What are you talking about.

You know exactly what I am talking about. You made this thread immediately after mine was accepted. If you had disagreements you should've just voiced them there instead of doing this weird tactic. Excluding the calculations, all of this was addressed already.

 

[Arceus0x]

The 3 punches thing was debunked in my original calc, a miner came in, there was nothing for him to hear, no sound no anything despite being in an echoey mineshaft. Only when he turned did we see viktor punching with 3 booms specifically. No evidence he was punching beforehand.

 

[Vzearr]

You know exactly what I am talking about. You made this thread immediately after mine was accepted. If you had disagreements you should've just voiced them there instead of doing this weird tactic. Excluding the calculations, all of this was addressed already.

We never got to finish our debate there. I'm not doing any tactics.

The 3 punches thing was debunked in my original calc, a miner came in, there was nothing for him to hear, no sound no anything despite being in an echoey mineshaft. Only when he turned did we see viktor punching with 3 booms specifically. No evidence he was punching beforehand.

Can you provide the full feat, I remember debunking this some time ago.

 

[Arceus0x]

Can you provide the full feat, I remember debunking this some time ago.

It's the imgur link in the original calc linked in the calc. I've debunked the debunk years ago.

 

[Vzearr]

It's the imgur link in the original calc linked in the calc. I've debunked the debunk years ago.

That doesn't include the walking into the mine.

 

[Arceus0x]

That doesn't include the walking into the mine.

You're the one doing the debunk. Find it yourself, I'm busy.

 

[Dalesean027]

1. Because Viktor is closer to the POV than the crater, the calculation start's off highballed.

That lowballs the crater he's closer to us so he appears larger, the calc is fine

J interrupts Yu from punching Fabrizio
Wow, it's been 2 years since I saw this calc, and it's been there for 2 years despite being wrong.

1. There is no evidence J moves all of that distance within the timeframe of Yu punching, he could have been much much closer, this calc accepts a highball.

This feat does seem a bit weird but I can't really judge because the scans for the full feat look weird to me so idk

Limited Durability Negation - Durability negation doesn't count as being stronger than your opponent and getting through their guard, that's just strength and doesn't target vital organs or anything.

Do you have like scans to back an argument or something because otherwise like there is nothing really here? at least link the profile or something man.

Resistance to: Analytical Prediction - This doesn't mean you can resist someone predicting where you're going, and this justification is bunk. This is not analytical prediction, this is just learning and adapting.

This isn't even a real argument? So far this CRT has been made with extremely low quality man i'm ngl this isn't a good look

 

[azontr]

The profile is right here.

 

[Lilybitdun]

The profile is right here.

Why did you link a sandbox version? This is the profile link

 

[Dalesean027]

oh then yeah limited dura negation should be fine, they are literally called piercing punches and he's only attack the guys guard yet its ******* up his entire body and one scan shows it impacting through his back as well even though only his arms are hit

 

[Vzearr]

You're the one doing the debunk. Find it yourself, I'm busy.

Fair.

Okay, after reading it, Chapter 74, there is no evidence he wasn't punching it beforehand.

That lowballs the crater he's closer to us so he appears larger, the calc is fine

You're right, the other stuff still applies though.

Do you have like scans to back an argument or something because otherwise like there is nothing really here? at least link the profile or something man.\

oh then yeah limited dura negation should be fine, they are literally called piercing punches and he's only attack the guys guard yet its ******* up his entire body and one scan shows it impacting through his back as well

That literally doesn't make sense, they're not hitting vital organs.

This isn't even a real argument? So far this CRT has been made with extremely low quality man i'm ngl this isn't a good look

kinda is.

This feat does seem a bit weird but I can't really judge because the scans for the full feat look weird to me so idk

Do you have like scans to back an argument or something because otherwise like there is nothing really here? at least link the profile or something man.

This isn't even a real argument? So far this CRT has been made with extremely low quality man i'm ngl this isn't a good look

 

[azontr]

Why did you link a sandbox version? This is the profile link

My mistake lol, I've had the sandbox pulled up for so many days.

 

[Dalesean027]

That literally doesn't make sense, they're not hitting vital organs.

You don't to strike a vital organ specifcally to get durability negation man and this is limited at that, the guy has his guard up and the punch impacts his body through the guard even though he only hits the guys arms the are blocking in front of him

 

[Vzearr]

You don't to strike a vital organ specifcally to get durability negation man and this is limited at that, the guy has his guard up and the punch impacts his body through the guard even though he only hits the guys arms the are blocking in front of him

Dude, this would imply that Mike Tyson has dura neg cause his punch is so strong it pierces my guard. Like, think logically, this is just AP gap.

You also ignored half of my debunks then called it a low effort crt cause I made one mistake. Please don’t be like this.

 

[azontr]

Mike Tyson's punches don't "pierce" your guard, they would just break it. Taker's guard is remaining up but the impact is simply going through it, as shown by the shockwaves that come from behind his back. A false equivalence.

 

[Vzearr]

Mike Tyson's punches don't "pierce" your guard, they would just break it. Taker's guard is remaining up but the impact is simply going through it, as shown by the shockwaves that come from behind his back. A false equivalence.

Piercing and breaking a guard mean the same thing. Also going through a guard doesn’t imply dura neg.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Piercing and breaking a guard mean the same thing. Also going through a guard doesn’t imply dura neg.

Those are two wholly different concepts. The energy of your punch magically going through a surface to strike a target is ignoring the defensive measure put up. Breaking a guard just means you break the surface in the way. An easier way to imagine this is this way:

Person A has invulnerable armor
Person B has a piercing punch, and sends the shockwave from their punch through the armor to strike the vulnerable person inside. Killing them instantly

It's dura-neg. It's just limited.

 

[azontr]

They don't mean the same thing. They're two different words. Breaking a guard would mean hitting so hard that they can't hold up their arms anymore. Literally "piercing" through a guard means the energy is traveling through it without moving the arms, and in this case, the force literally comes out of John's back.

 

[Dalesean027]

Dude, this would imply that Mike Tyson has dura neg cause his punch is so strong it pierces my guard. Like, think logically, this is just AP gap.

Its one thing if he's drilling his fist into him and like causes his arms to like be pressed against his chest as the blows come through his guard in that case sure but there is a clear gap between the guys arms and his chest even after the hit yet the shit still somehow damages the shit behind it despite a like making 0 contact with the rest of his body

 

[Vzearr]

Those are two wholly different concepts. The energy of your punch magically going through a surface to strike a target is ignoring the defensive measure put up. Breaking a guard just means you break the surface in the way. An easier way to imagine this is this way:

Person A has invulnerable armor
Person B has a piercing punch, and sends the shockwave from their punch through the armor to strike the vulnerable person inside. Killing them instantly

It's dura-neg. It's just limited.

That’s a bad example. Looking at the scan it’s literally just a dude hitting his guard and then the dude landing a stomach blow. Nothing like your example.

Its one thing if he's drilling his fist into him and like causes his arms to like be pressed against his chest as the blows come through his guard in that case sure but there is a clear gap between the guys arms and his chest even after the hit yet the shit still somehow damages the shit behind it despite a like making 0 contact with the rest of his body

It’s very clearly touching his chest? The distance is what would be lessened by the fact he’s getting punched.

Also ignoring my other stuff is not a good look.

 

[LaserPrecision]

That’s a bad example. Looking at the scan it’s literally just a dude hitting his guard and then the dude landing a stomach blow. Nothing like your example.

I'm not saying the two are the same. I'm using the armor as an analogy to help you better understand. The armor in this scenario is the arm, and the "vulnerable body" is the body behind the arm. The shock-waves from the punch traveled through the arm straight into the body. That means this move could replicate the example I gave if put up against someone who wears armor far beyond their own durability. The shockwave from their punch would propagate through the armor unimpeded and merk the dude inside the suit.

 

[Vzearr]

I'm not saying the two are the same. I'm using the armor as an analogy to help you better understand. The armor in this scenario is the arm, and the "vulnerable body" is the body behind the arm. The shock-waves from the punch traveled through the arm straight into the body. That means this move could replicate the example I gave if put up against someone who wears armor far beyond their own durability. The shockwave from their punch would propagate through the armor unimpeded and merk the dude inside the suit.

WHAT shockwave are we talking about, am I blind or something.

 

[Arceus0x]

WHAT shockwave are we talking about, am I blind or something.

Yes actually

 

[Kachon123]

WHAT shockwave are we talking about, am I blind or something.

 

[LaserPrecision]

WHAT shockwave are we talking about, am I blind or something.

 

[Lilybitdun]

That's actually a ring of salt thrown in by an audience member during the fight guys smh

 

[LaserPrecision]

That's actually a ring of salt thrown in by an audience member during the fight guys smh

I thought it was some sort of ****** up onion ring

 

[Vzearr]

Thought we were talking about the other one. Yeah, this still isn't duraneg. That shockwave isn't necessarily real, it's just an effect.

Now I have to try my hardest and debunk this because you guy's don't want to drop this.

Duraneg is defined as: The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability

The feat you showed is Yu damaging his opponent through his guard, which doesn't fall under the definition of damaging someone regardless of their durability, as durability is still at play here, Yu is punching through his arms to and punching so strong it goes throughout his body, this is AP.

 

[azontr]

You haven't debunked anything. You're just repeating the same argument that hasn't convinced anybody. It's limited dura neg for a reason.

 

[Vzearr]

You haven't debunked anything. You're just repeating the same argument that hasn't convinced anybody. It's limited dura neg for a reason.

What could limited possibly mean here. It's dumb to claim limited if it doesn't fall under the definition, at all.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Thought we were talking about the other one. Yeah, this still isn't duraneg. That shockwave isn't necessarily real, it's just an effect.

Can you prove it's not real?

 

[Vzearr]

Can you prove it's not real?

Lol that's not my burden, you're on the positive. You claimed it was a shockwave.

 

[azontr]

A limited ability is an ability that falls under the definition but with caveats. Nobody thinks it's a full on dura neg, but if the force of your blows can transfer through surfaces like that, it's still partially ignoring the toughness of the opponent. That's why it's limited.

And yes, the shockwave is real. Yu's blows make shockwaves all the time.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Lol that's not my burden, you're on the positive. You claimed it was a shockwave.

Yeah. And the proof is the panel of the shockwave itself. Now you prove that the shockwave we see isn't a shockwave.