A femboy vs A boxer

[XxZetsuxX]

Yu (22 years old) VS Cid Kagenou

Rules:

• Speed is equalised.
• No prep time or prior knowledge for both
• Starting Distance: 5 meters
• Location: Boxing Ring
• Magic is restricted
• Yu has his steroids
• Cid has his steel sword
• Yu's AP: 151 KJ
• Cid's AP: 15 KJ, higher with breathing technique

	Yu's advantages: Slow Motion Higher AP and Dura Better Amp	Monster -
	Cid's advantages: Higher LS Higher Stamina Higher IQ Higher Range Luck	Fancy Bandit Slayer -

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Made a edit in the OP;

Forgot to restrict magic and monster stance

 

[azontr]

didn't we already do this

 

[Arceus0x]

Yu uses his monster stance and speed blitzes. Luck is a non-factor since Yu has already dealt with someone with Supernatural luck.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

didn't we already do this

This is not 1st key Yu, it's his 3rd key

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yu uses his monster stance and speed blitzes. Luck is a non-factor since Yu has already dealt with someone with Supernatural luck.

It's restricted.. along with magic, please check the OP

 

[azontr]

This is not 1st key Yu, it's his 3rd key

That doesn't make it better

 

[Arceus0x]

It's restricted.. along with magic, please check the OP

Can you even restrict it? It's a technique done by literally changing stances, it being a speed amp is simply part of his technique. It'd be basically like restricting the ability to karate chop.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

That doesn't make it better

Why

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Can you even restrict it? It's a technique done by literally changing stances, it being a speed amp is simply part of his technique. It'd be basically like restricting the ability to karate chop.

It's a technique that bumps a tier, so it can be restricted

 

[Zefra3011]

Yu wouldn't even be able to win with Monster Stance because Cid is faster here. This includes slow motion as well.

 

[azontr]

It's the same problem as last time. Cid can't harm Yu in a way that matters with the stat difference which means he can't really outlast him either.

Yu wouldn't even be able to win with Monster Stance because Cid is faster here. This includes slow motion as well.

Cid's slower. Magic is restricted.

 

[Zefra3011]

It's the same problem as last time. Cid can't harm Yu in a way that matters with the stat difference which means he can't really outlast him either.

Cid has a one-shot amp over his value with a technique he can spam with every attack, can target Yu's weak points, and has the piercing damage of a sword.

Cid's slower. Magic is restricted.

Thought it worked regardless.

 

[azontr]

The technique has no multiplier so it's basically an irrelevant amp, but if he has a sword and supposedly higher IQ then why restrict Monster Stance.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The technique has no multiplier so it's basically an irrelevant amp, but if he has a sword and supposedly higher IQ then why restrict Monster Stance.

Uh, I can unrestrict Monster Stance then. If it becomes a stomp, I can just restrict it again, I guess

 

[azontr]

If you really don't want to you can give Yu steroids, since they add a perception boost to his already enhanced perception, which ig might balance things out, but I'm not really seeing a way this match works either way. It's kinda stomp or be stomped.

 

[Zefra3011]

I guess Cid can aim-dodge monster stance.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

If you really don't want to you can give Yu steroids, since they add a perception boost to his already enhanced perception, which ig might balance things out, but I'm not really seeing a way this match works either way. It's kinda stomp or be stomped.

Nah it's fine, i will give monster stance and steroids, better than nothing

 

[Zefra3011]

Well, in EIS, even characters far worse than Cid can deal with FTE attacks, I don't think Monster Stance is a wincon here. Steroids don't seem to give any significant amp that matters. Slow motion is a problem, I guess, but if they enter a situation where they dodge each other, then Cid eventually edges out because of the difference in stamina.

 

[azontr]

Both?? Steroids add a pretty significant perception amp along with his already existing enhanced perception, so how exactly is Cid hitting here.

Well, in EIS, even characters far worse than Cid can deal with FTE attacks, I don't think Monster Stance is a wincon here.

It's not just FTE, tho. Jean had similar enhanced perception to Yu and Yu took his stance at a distance from Jean but Jean still couldn't see anything. Plus, the stance continuously gets faster and once Yu starts it he can just keep using it and making it faster and stronger with any of his attacks.

 

[Arceus0x]

Voting Yu

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Voting Yu

Dawg, can you like… wait, we just started here, wth?

 

[Zefra3011]

It's not just FTE, tho. Jean had similar enhanced perception to Yu and Yu took his stance at a distance from Jean but Jean still couldn't see anything.

Yeah, but it being faster doesn't make it any harder to deal with, as long as Cid just acts before and times it correctly.

Plus, the stance continuously gets faster and once Yu starts it he can just keep using it and making it faster and stronger with any of his attacks.

Yeah, but the mobility is still limited, iirc Yu was doing this against Jean, who was just taking hits? I don't see him keeping up the combo to follow the movements of someone who dodged prior.

 

[azontr]

Yeah, but it being faster doesn't make it any harder to deal with, as long as Cid just acts before and times it correctly.

It being faster does inherently make it more difficult to time your dodges? Wut are u talm bout

Yeah, but the mobility is still limited, iirc Yu was doing this against Jean, who was just taking hits? I don't see him keeping up the combo to follow the movements of someone who dodged prior.

Uh, no, lol. He can change the direction of the attack in any way he wants, he visibly makes massive shifts in footwork and curves his blows, so the mobility is evidently not an issue. The sheer perception difference also makes it so that even if Cid dodges somehow that's not going to interrupt the combo. He can even use the stance to backpedal like in the Aaron fight so clearly he isn't limited in mobility.

 

[Zefra3011]

It being faster does inherently make it more difficult to time your dodges? Wut are u talm bout

You "just" have to act before; you aim-dodge bullets and lasers the same way.

Uh, no, lol. He can change the direction of the attack in any way he wants, he visibly makes massive shifts in footwork and curves his blows, so the mobility is evidently not an issue. The sheer perception difference also makes it so that even if Cid dodges somehow that's not going to interrupt the combo. He can even use the stance to backpedal like in the Aaron fight so clearly he isn't limited in mobility.

You just see Yu beating up an immobile target tbh, the "curve" we see might just be a left hook. It doesn't require "massive shifts in footwork and curves his blows." The problem is that you're assuming Yu can keep the same performance he has when beating an immobile target against someone who responds to his move.

Also, Cid can end the fight in a single hit if he just cuts the right spot. In EIS, they are shown to aim for stuff like arteries, which are deadly, and are not protected by muscles or anything that is really durable. Let's say Cid counters Yu's Monster Stance the same way Jean did, but he has a sword, so Yu won't be able to dodge and hit the same way he did against Jean, because if he dodges and stops moving his body forward, he'll be out of range to continue the punch. If Yu wants to get close to Cid, he has to risk getting cut before.

 

[azontr]

You "just" have to act before; you aim-dodge bullets and lasers the same way.

You can do that for a stationary target holding a weapon that requires a trigger which can be timed. If the attack changes in motion or direction outside of the according timing, you can't aim-dodge it.

You just see Yu beating up an immobile target tbh, the "curve" we see might just be a left hook. It doesn't require "massive shifts in footwork and curves his blows." The problem is that you're assuming Yu can keep the same performance he has when beating an immobile target against someone who responds to his move.

You haven't proven that he can't do that. You have to be the one to prove that just because his target is not stationary that the nature of Yu's movements changes, it's not like Cid is casting a curse on him that makes it impossible for Yu to move. Cid moving massively slower than Yu isn't going to throw off his combo. If you cannot prove he can, then you have no argument.

Let's say Cid counters Yu's Monster Stance the same way Jean did

Jean didn't counter it, lol. His counter got countered. Yu can literally just break the sword or knock it out of Cid's hand.

 

[Huesito88]

Cid has a one-shot amp over his value with a technique he can spam with every attack, can target Yu's weak points, and has the piercing damage of a sword.

Thought it worked regardless.

Idk if it'll be enough Yu is a little over 10 times stronger than Cid. Our oneshot value of 8 times is also our stonewall value (besides of course not counting internal organs).

 

[Phoenks]

Huh. I could swore the same guy that made this match told me that Cid would skill stomp Ayanokouji. But also believes Ayanokouji is more skilled than Yu.

 

[azontr]

 

[Zefra3011]

You can do that for a stationary target holding a weapon that requires a trigger which can be timed. If the attack changes in motion or direction outside of the according timing, you can't aim-dodge it.

You haven't proven that he can't do that. You have to be the one to prove that just because his target is not stationary that the nature of Yu's movements changes, it's not like Cid is casting a curse on him that makes it impossible for Yu to move. Cid moving massively slower than Yu isn't going to throw off his combo. If you cannot prove he can, then you have no argument.

Jean didn't counter it, lol. His counter got countered. Yu can literally just break the sword or knock it out of Cid's hand.

Well, at the end if Yu can deal with Cid's sword that way, Cid loses his only wincon, so gg I guess. I don't think Cid can do much about it.

 

[azontr]

Huh I expected you to say that the sword is made of some super-indestructible constructed from slime ions that can take tier 6 force or sum sh*t

 

[Zefra3011]

He can't use slime without magic... so in this match... he has a... normal sword!

With the Ap difference, I think Yu can just punch through it. And even if it cuts his hand... well, that's it. Somehow I didn't think about this before.

 

[Epiccheev]

Yu gives femboy Cid his disappointed bear stare, causing him to rethink his life choices.

 

[Arceus0x]

Yu gives femboy Cid his disappointed bear stare, causing him to rethink his life choices.

Pain of all boiling-alive victims in one stare

 

[Foriaa]

What are Cid's wincons

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Following.