The Black God vs The Machine God: II IIah vs Makina

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Almost feel bad doing this now.

Who wins?

II IIah:

Makina: 1

Inconclusive:

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Can Makima touch illah. Its Nep 2

 

[091Franky]

Can Makima touch illah. Its Nep 2

Might not, kuro was only nep 1 before the revision iirc

 

[PrinceofPein]

Can Makima touch illah. Its Nep 2

NEP 2 is not combat applicable and also as per the current NEP standards, yes he can as Illah will lose his NEP

 

[Orioreeem]

What can that thing do against infinite 6D army? This thing doesn't have any resistances so anything they do will pretty much end it. Makina's main body is in another dimension and can adapt to this thing's stuff.

 

[Гиперион1]

Allah

 

[Lormac_CC]

What does she want to do against plot/Fate Manipulation

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

What does she want to do against plot/Fate Manipulation

Plot Manipulation and Power Nullification (Has the same resistances as Shallow Vernal. Additionally God level battles always turn into fist fights despite all their abilities)

Besides their plot/fate has only been showed affected those lower than them not on their same level

 

[Lormac_CC]

Fist fight it is. My money is still on illah.

 

[Orioreeem]

What does she want to do against plot/Fate Manipulation

She resists that

Fist fight it is. My money is still on illah.

That thing has to face an infinite 6D army which has all hax and resistances of her first key and that thing doesn't even have any resistances. Don't see how Makina doesn't easily stomp here.

 

[Lormac_CC]

That thing has to face an infinite 6D army which has all hax and resistances of her first key and that thing doesn't even have any resistances. Don't see how Makina doesn't easily stomp here.

illah can duplicate himself off his rukh. each having different personality, now saying he can make Infinite copies of himself would look like a stretch but nothing really hints that he can't do it.

 

[Orioreeem]

Even if it could, would it get a chance? Again no resistances. Let's even say it did(tho low intelligence and stamina makes me doubt it). Why can't infinite clones just destroy them all? Again no resistances

 

[Lormac_CC]

Let's even say it did(tho low intelligence and stamina makes me doubt it)

This is something I want to correct, illah is very intelligent, he controlled the story till his order was reduced

Even if it could, would it get a chance?

Why wouldn't it, the idea that illah is slow due to it's shape isn't true. David as the guardian of the Sacred Palace is illah with a different personality

Why can't infinite clones just destroy them all?

Because it is a fist

Again no resistances

Resistance to Fist

 

[Orioreeem]

This is something I want to correct, illah is very intelligent, he controlled the story his order was reduced

then that section should be changed from how currently is

Why wouldn't it, the idea that illah is slow due to it's shape isn't true. David as the guardian of the Sacred Palace is illah with a different personality

Because it would get haxed to death?

Because it is a fist

It says it turns into a fist fight, not that they only fight like that and not use hax. It turns into a fist fight because they have resistances and can nullify each others abilities.

 

[Orioreeem]

Also she already fought someone who could make infinite clones of himself and that's before she had infinite 6D army.

 

[Zencha9]

Allah

minor nit pick I'llah isn't referring allah the supreme god in islam
since "II" is "أ" meaning "a", and "ilah" is "إله" meaning "a god" or "a deity" so iilah would translate to either "a god" or "a deity"

"al" in allah's name means "the" so allah would mean "the god"

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Couple things, God level battles turn into to fist fights not cause they don't use hax, but cause they have passive power null which negate all hostile abilities, and even if their hax did work, they resist it anyway.

So their resistances scales to each other, also Fate couldn't negate Shiro's ability, but instead chose to alter the past so it never hit, so a baseline 5-D being can't null the abilities of beings like Shiro, this is how God level battles work, stuff on your level and below won't work.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Well, I don't see how illah is winning this. She has Infinite 6D clones each having resistance

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

1 for Makina.

 

[Orioreeem]

It's a stomp

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Deus Ex Makina then, funny how that's her code name, and she literally has the ability to get new abilities out of nowhere.

Will go up the list then i guess since Makina stomps.

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Indeed, Il Ilah's NEP2 is non-combat, but this can be used as an incon, because if Makina doesn't have Non-physical interaction to NEP2, she can't attack Il Ilah.

 

[Orioreeem]

We already concluded at the beginning of this thread that Makina can indeed affect it

 

[PrinceofPein]

Indeed, Il Ilah's NEP2 is non-combat, but this can be used as an incon, because if Makina doesn't have Non-physical interaction to NEP2, she can't attack Il Ilah.

Illah no longer qualifies for Nep2
We revised the NEP standards