Let's get to it.
All of this is responded to in the paragraph (Hopefully. I can forget). If I say something that's already been said then my bad. I am making the case for Sans' Social Influencing, not anything else, but if I happen to go into actual combat between Sans and Spamton, then take that argument as separate for the one of Social Influencing.
Bluds acting as if Sans can SI stuff like
this just coz "no resistance gg!".
Is this a troll or something? Like... Spamton is so messed up his speech os corrupted, how is that better than Frisk? Coz you say so?
i feel like you need to give examples rather than just saying “no…” even if it’s not worse, spamton’s character still likely wouldn’t listen to sans regardless.
Social Influencing isn’t mind manipulation, if the enemy has right mindset, they aren’t going to listen. Spamton is not likely to listen.
Blud, Frisk is not as desperate as Spamton is. Frisk has nothing to lose as they can just reset.
Spamton instead has everything to lose, you're downplaying his pain a lot tbh. No way you're arguing that some "there's good in you bro" is going to stop someone who literally went as far as impersonating others and throw away that few dignity he had to get the NEO in years of attempts.
The reason I believe Sans'
Social Influencing works is because Sans'
Social Influencing is incredibly potent and Spamton is nowhere near out of the bounds of being social influenced, especially for someone like Sans
Sans'
Social Influencing is the following:
In the Genocide Route, Frisk is a single minded maniac that wants nothing but to kill every single monster, and unambiguously goes out of their way to continue to kill until there's no one left.
The Genocide Route occurs when the protagonist kills every enemy (including mini, mid and main bosses) in every region: the
Ruins,
Snowdin Forest,
Waterfall, and
Hotland (the
CORE is a sub-region of Hotland).
- Encounters become increasingly harder to find as the protagonist grinds out the kill counter for each area (except New Home, in which they are scripted).
This is further shown by numerous textbox pop-ups throughout the game of Undertale
- When attempting to talk to Toriel, the flavor text "Not worth talking to." appears, instead of "Ironically, talking does not seem like the solution to this situation."
- If Snowdrake is not killed before the kill counter is exhausted, the SAVE Point text changes to "The comedian got away. Failure." and the Genocide Route is aborted.
- The telegram she [Muffet] receives states that despite the protagonist being a hyper-violent murderer, they never harmed a spider since there are no other spider enemies.
More importantly, when Papyrus
tries to convince Frisk to turn a new leaf (0:23-1:21), they
murder Papyrus without a second thought. Frisk doubled down with Mad Dummy by
killing him even when he was sparing them,
- The protagonist's actions upset the Mad Dummy so much that it causes them to become corporeal, turning them into the Glad Dummy. Since the protagonist helped the Mad Dummy become corporeal, they immediately offer to spare them. The dummy must be killed in order for the Genocide Route to progress.
And then solidified themselves by killing Flowey.
- Within the throne room, Asgore mentions having never seen a flower crying (referring to Flowey's attempts to warn Asgore of the protagonist). The protagonist then proceeds to attack Asgore, killing him in one hit (on the console versions, the borders around the game window are immediately disabled upon engaging Asgore). Flowey finishes Asgore off, and then, with his face and voice turning to Asriel's, he begs the protagonist not to kill him. Pressing any of the action buttons causes the protagonist to kill Flowey in eight hits.
Considering all of this, they are still
convinced to give up by Sans (
Further context).
That is the maximum bar for determining whether or not Sans can socially influence someone. If someone exceeds this feat, then Sans cannot use
Social Influencing on them. Spamton's
Intelligence and
Weaknesses are as follows (respectively):
Intelligence: Above Average (He seems decently intelligent, although he has failed to be a successful salesman on his own and is very mentally unstable in his present state. Despite this, he was able to partially orchestrate the events in the Snowgrave Route by selling the Thorn Ring to
Kris, and as a result, had managed to usurp the
Queen's mansion by the end)
Weaknesses: He is mentally unstable and glitchy. In addition, he can seemingly lose control over his own actions if he tries to reveal things he isn't allowed to. As with all Darkners, he is restricted to his own Dark World and will eventually turn into stone when venturing outside, or turn into a basic object if he is brought in the Light World. | Same as before, although to a lesser extent. His wires can be cut, which completely disrupts his movements once broken, although it should be noted that it took the combined efforts of
three equally powerful foes over a long period of time to accomplish this, to the point that it was better for
Kris to battle him normally in the Snowgrave Route.
Spamton does not have
Berserk Mode. He does not have any ability that prevents Sans from
Socially Influencing him. He nowhere near as single-mindedly persistent as Genocide Route Frisk is, while I do acknowledge his zeal. Unlike Gigyas, where Gigyas is quite literally
Mindless so Sans can't even SI if he tried, Spamton has a brain and can think. This is why I don't like it when someone oversimplify Frisk to a "kid with a knife," because that kid is a ****ing maniac mass murderer with 94 bodies (if those were human bodies everyone would have a different tone). Even more if someone wants to say that everyone in the timeline dies when Chara nukes it with
2-B Attack Potency
Anyways, voting Sans because I believe I have fit Spamton well enough under Sans' ability
Social Influence him for the ability to work.
