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?Obviously there are characters that would scale above him or are you assuming Zangetsu is below him speed?
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?Obviously there are characters that would scale above him or are you assuming Zangetsu is below him speed?
Tokinada deflects lightning.You're right. The feat isn't enough for them to be lightning speed, when looked at in context.
I lied, second last thing about Uryu calc:One last thing about the Uryu calc:
For normal people faster than the eye is 34.3m/s and normal people can move at like 5m/s, so we might be able to say perception is 34.3/5 times faster than movement speed and use that to find Uryu's speed. I don't know how fair that seems to people but it would give us another speed feat to lean on, since Uryu is kind of fodder until the TYBW.
It's extremely contradictory - why would a Sub-Relativistic Ichigo be blitzed by a Massively Hypersonic character? And this same Sub-Relativistic Ichigo has ordinary human level reaction speeds?this calc, Damage you removed it because Ulquiorra was relativistic, therefore too fast, for the assumptions. Now he is mhs. So there should be no problem since he wasn't even serious.
Why it can't be used?
Lol Ulq would just upscale, you act like Ulq being MHS is law or sumn.It's extremely contradictory - why would a Sub-Relativistic Ichigo be blitzed by a Massively Hypersonic character? And this same Sub-Relativistic Ichigo has ordinary human level reaction speeds?
Neither of them was serious though. Only the attack fired from Ichigo was. Because via Instict.It's extremely contradictory - why would a Sub-Relativistic Ichigo be blitzed by a Massively Hypersonic character? And this same Sub-Relativistic Ichigo has ordinary human level reaction speeds?
I don't think you understand the calc. The calc is for the speed of Getsuga Tenshou he fired off instinct, he wasn't reacting, it was stated that he didn't react to it but that it was entirely instinct. This would scale to Ulq not Ichigo.I don’t think you’re understanding what damage is getting at. The calc had a major flaw in its assumption of Human reactions for Ichigo only to then get Sub-Rel reactions. Even if you grant that
“Ichigo of course has higher reactions and this calc is only using a low end”
The issue would still persist. Even if you used lighting speed as Ichigo’s reaction for the first part of the calc, you would still end up getting a value over 100x his initial reactions. Unless you want to assume Ichigo suddenly became over 100x faster in a split second, the calc has glaring issues.
The same Ulq who blitzed Ichigo at Mach 70?The calc is for the speed of Getsuga Tenshou he fired off instinct, he wasn't reacting, it was stated that he didn't react to it but that it was entirely instinct. This would scale to Ulq not Ichigo.
I'd be fine using a higher speed for Ulq to get the Getsuga Tenshou speed of a thoughtless instinctual Ichigo.The same Ulq who blitzed Ichigo at Mach 70?
Are you talking about the lightning speed Onmitsukido? Because then you really haven't been paying attention to the last couple of pages of discussion.I was under the assumption that it was accepted since that was such a cut and clear statement and feat.
This has been addressed, they saw ranged attacks weren't effective, it's most logical to assume they would try physical attacks next.It is not conclusive that the "lightning strike" statement is intended for physical movement speed / attack speed.
We apply Orihime's explosion feat generalized to all 4th seats, why, because fodder tier characters aren't distinguishable from each other. The only reason you argue this is because unlike the Orihime feat, this one would be fast.It is not conclusive that this is something that applies to every assassin instead of just the one who used it. Just like how moments before in the fight one of the assassins used his Zanpakuto to create fireballs.
Except scans were provided showing that Soifon never changed the regime of her Onmitsukido corps, so to assume they all of a sudden outspeed Captains from any point is quite ridiculous.It is not conclusive that this should backscale towards assassins from 2.5 years ago in the Soul Society arc.
Last I checked when something is unclear we go off of the most logical assumption. Time and time again in this thread, we see you agreeing that something is the most logical but still rejecting it, absolutely wild.logical, maybe, but not provable.
I refer you back to my comments on generalizing fodder tier characters. By this logic just because that 4th seat scales above Orihime doesn't mean Captains should. So choose one, characters can scale above generalized fodder or not.Even if we go with your interpretation that some assassin coated his sword in lightning to enhance his speed or whatever, you have no evidence anyone else can do the same thing.
As for the 4th seat character, he didn't use any ability to do his feat. He simply reacted and struck Orihime's attack down.
It is concluded that Tokinada scales to this feat. Tokinada is a lazy aristocrat that existed before Tousen joined the Gotei 13 and the protagonist was born. The rebuttal gets debunked by the context that Tokinada planned to overthrow the Soul Society itself. If Tokinada is the only character that scales to lightning speed before the start of the show he would have had taken over already.It is not conclusive that this should backscale towards assassins from 2.5 years ago in the Soul Society arc.
It is concluded that Tokinada scales to this feat. Tokinada is a lazy aristocrat that existed before Tousen joined the Gotei 13 and the protagonist was born. The rebuttal gets debunked by the context that Tokinad planned to overthrow the Soul Society itself. If Tokinada is the only character that scales to lightning speed before the start of the show he would have had taken over already.