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How is it far reaching when you're making this one grunt out to be unique...These assassin are apparently >> SS captains.
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Nobody is saying that.How is it far reaching when you're making this one grunt out to be unique...These assassin are apparently >> SS captains.
The attack itself is stated lightning speed and it makes no sense for it to be a ranged attack given everyone just saw ranged attacks are ineffective against Tokinada.It is possible that the assassin attacked as fast as lightning physically.
If the assassin's physical strikes are lightning speed so would his reactions.It is possible that the assassin's reaction time is as fast as this.
As Sigurd said, they all receive the same training, they're fodder characters, there's no reason to distinguish them from the others.It is possible that all of the other assassins are equally as fast as this assassin.
Nothing indicates that the Onmitsukido corps modified their training regime, I don't see why we'd arbitrarily assume the assassins had massive speed amps.It is possible that the assassins back in the Soul Society arc are as fast as these assassins.
This is a word association fallacy, I've already explained why contextually it makes little sense for the attack to be ranged like the fireball attack.I don't think that the text supports the assassin trying a physical strike when it specifies that Tokinada bounced the attack back - worded just like how he bounced back the fireballs.
It would be strange for only the leader of their group to up their training while all the rest stay stagnate.Nothing indicates that the Onmitsukido corps modified their training regime, I don't see why we'd arbitrarily assume the assassins had massive speed amps.
Lol it took Soi Fon over 100 years to approach Yoruichi who is (hypersonic) but somehow it's logical to assume some no-named fodder characters who can't even awaken Shikai can somehow do it in what a couple months?It would be strange for only the leader of their group to up their training while all the rest stay stagnate.
That argument can be made for nearly all recurring characters in Bleach, with only a few of them actually having in-universe explanations for such explosive growth.Lol it took Soi Fon over 100 years to approach Yoruichi who is (hypersonic) but somehow it's logical to assume some no-named fodder characters who can't even awaken Shikai can somehow do it in what a couple months?
Yeah let's compare the growth of named characters to background filler dudes who are used like once that don't even have an awakened zanpakuto. There is clearly nothing wrong with this.That argument can be made for nearly all recurring characters in Bleach, with only a few of them actually having in-universe explanations for such explosive growth.
What you're trying to argue is that we have no reason to assume that this group of trained assassins, led by a trained assassin who clearly trained and improved, would also have their training upped and have them get better at least two years after the defeat of Aizen and half a year since TYBW (I think that's when CFYOW starts).Yeah let's compare the growth of named characters to background filler dudes who are used like once that don't even have an awakened zanpakuto. There is clearly nothing wrong with this.
Where in the world are you getting some background dudes just created for that scene have been training since the Aizen was sealed? You just gave them a whole backstory... when characters like these have none whatsoever or serve any purpose outside of one scene.What you're trying to argue is that we have no reason to assume that this group of trained assassins, led by a trained assassin who clearly trained and improved, would also have their training upped and have them get better at least two years after the defeat of Aizen and half a year since TYBW (I think that's when CFYOW starts).
Doesn't Suì-Fēng lead this group? Which would also mean that she controls their training and all that?Where in the world are you getting some background dudes just created for that scene have been training since the Aizen was sealed? You just gave them a whole backstory... when characters like these have none whatsoever or serve any purpose outside of one scene.
Where are you getting Soi Fon somehow has a hand in any form of training these people might do?
You can’t compare these characters to established characters based off nothing.
And I'm not arguing that what's being said here isn't lightning speed, the quotes are far too direct and clear for it to be taken as anything else honestly. What I'm arguing against is back scaling this speed to characters two years ago in the setting.It is that. The speed of whole black clover verse is based on a statement about Patri being Lightspeed. Now we are having this idiotic debate that a statement and feat is not enough for them to be Lightning speed.
Where is it shown she gives these people some sort of hands on training? We don’t know anything about them. If anything Omaeda would be doing this if at all.Doesn't Suì-Fēng lead this group? Which would also mean that she controls their training and all that?
And I’m trying to figure why top of the line established characters wouldn’t back scale to trash in comparison to them. These characters you’re praising can’t even kill hollows alone. And again they’re literally bottom tier who can’t even awaken a zanpakuto.And I'm not arguing that what's being said here isn't lightning speed, the quotes are far too direct and clear for it to be taken as anything else honestly. What I'm arguing against is back scaling this speed to characters two years ago in the setting.
First of all, please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not praising these characters. I'm just saying that we shouldn't backscale to them.Where is it shown she gives these people some sort of hands on training? We don’t know anything about them. If anything Omaeda would be doing this if at all.
This is like assuming Yama trains his fodder soldiers for some reason.
And I’m trying to figure why top of the line established characters wouldn’t back scale to trash in comparison to them. These characters you’re praising can’t even kill hollows alone. And again they’re literally bottom tier who can’t even awaken a zanpakuto.
so by ur thinking captains are slower than fodder? seems reasonable....
So you are saying captains two year back are weaker than these Fodders ?
It is that. The speed of whole black clover verse is based on a statement about Patri being Lightspeed. Now we are having this idiotic debate that a statement and feat is not enough for them to be Lightning speed.
No, where do you see that in those statements?Even if the problem is scaling all the assassin for the sub rel calc, the captains should scale to lightning speed, or I am wrong?
Okay, just bear in mind that the current ratings in the sandbox are only based off of the two calcs we have to work with so far and for the most part is just using the current justifications/scaling present on the profiles.ok, then; I will make a comment with all the things that bother me with the rating on the sandbox and the lightning speed question.
One question, you posted a calc of Gin in the thread that was accepted by Ugarik.
Is that calc usable or what?