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isnt there a hardmode worm in the corruption stated to be equivalent to eater of worlds, while being 5-C? "smaller, but just as deadly worms"
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Terraria Discussion thread #2: Journey's end
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That’s what I was referring to. Pretty much that showcases post hardmode enemies don’t scale to the Terrarian, as the eater of worlds is absolutely weaker than the wall of flesh no way of avoiding it, so that enemy being as strong as it means the corruption can’t really go much further with its creations (been meaning to make a thread on it for a while but we don’t have enemy profiles so the only thing it could possibly effect is invasions but those are more explained as to why they should scale than not)
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Well with that, we still have it that they are directly stated to prevent the meteors, they never fall no matter what for however long it takes to fight them, and the meteors immediately fall upon their death. Seems exactly like the Elden ring one to me and that scales.
They are directly stated to be on par with the eater of worlds so unless the eater scales above the wall they very clearly can’t scale to post hardmode Terrarian.
They are directly stated to be on par with the eater of worlds so unless the eater scales above the wall they very clearly can’t scale to post hardmode Terrarian.
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Wish the eye was better explains since it being so weak in comparison to its body has always sucked. Saying that because if you guys more so see eater as 5-C than going with the meteors, that surprises me (rip cinder versus Terrarian if true though, always wanted to make that thread once I saw the meteors got close to her)
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good night, about the extrasensorial perception, it got dismissed (by bambu, surprise) because the eye could just be exerting his evil energy or something i dont remember exactly what he said
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i think we have enough information I just am very tired to explain it
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Can he agree with literally anything.
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last comment of the day.
the mech bosses being a replacement for moon lord's lost organs so he gets to full power is even more proof of them getting a "possibly 3-B" scaling out of DD2, also i should likely make some different keys for champion like post-one mech and post-three mechs.
the mech bosses being a replacement for moon lord's lost organs so he gets to full power is even more proof of them getting a "possibly 3-B" scaling out of DD2, also i should likely make some different keys for champion like post-one mech and post-three mechs.
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I took a look at the full cutscene for the portal to the crystalline dimension. It's way clearer than the screenshot in the scan provided for the Old One's vsbw profile, its pretty clear the shapes behind the spiral galaxies are more galaxies and not stars.
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The merchant also felt it are we assuming he has powers besides like dimensional storage and super human physical characteristics.
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It was an attempt to do that we don't exactly have proof it would work
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"We dont know how it works"
Except we do:
The twins is outright stated to be the complete recreation, without any statements regarding being incomplete
The destroyer is the re-created spine which would grant moon lord mechanical lasers (side note: the destroyer being 130m long also implies moon lord is much bigger than in-game)
Skeletron prime is the only one you could argue is weird because... where does he fit?
The brain was the last thing needed for full completion, meaning that, despite the other parts not being the equivalent of the brain, they still were good amounts of moon lords power.
Or just look at mechdusa, i dont know.
Second last comment of the day...
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I mean, is it really that far fetched to assume he's more than just your average human?
Edit: by your wording it looks like only the merchant felt it compared to other npcs, so, yes, he likely would have it.
Third comment of the day because i forgot to respond to this.
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So looking at what actually happens in Dungeon Defenders
The Crystalline Dimension is a prison created by the crystal that collapses because the prisoner is killed and later the heroes seem to be threatened by a volcano.
The Crystalline Dimension is a prison created by the crystal that collapses because the prisoner is killed and later the heroes seem to be threatened by a volcano.
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I thought it was that at first, but there's more context than that.
The Old One had his power contained inside the Eternia Crystal, he isn't physically stuck inside a crystal. The crystalline dimension itself is independent of the Eternia Crystal, as seen when the Eternia Crystal is destroyed and the Old One isn't killed/the crystalline dimension doesn't collapse. Once the Crystal is remade, it opens a portal to the crystalline dimension, which is the container for the Old One's power.
The Crystalline Dimension is only destroyed once the Old One is defeated inside it. The fact defeating the Old One's power causes the dimension to be destroyed is intrinsically a sustaining feat, the dimension existing independently of the crystal means the dimension existing is caused directly by the Old One's power having been contained inside it, so also a creation feat.
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The heroes also canonically lost to the Old One, the only reason they won in the cutscene you just sent was because the previous generation of heroes came in to help.
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This is also backed up by it being specifically stated that the crystal wasn't made to be a prison, but rather to imprison (the Old One's power). The dimension is 100% not sustained by the crystal, but specifically by the Old One's power. The crystal can be destroyed, but the dimension will keep existing until what is sustaining it is defeated/destroyed, which is the Old One's power.
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could the terrarian get mid regen from having arrows from dart traps or spear traps piercing through his head? randomly thought of this in the middle of my mage playthrough when stepping on a trap.
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You are talking about when the thing was shattered. We don't know how it was broken and later the breaking of crystals which we see is via physically shattering is reducing the total number of crystals that is portrayed as something that cannot be undone like with that specific crystal.
You actually have to explicitly prove that's his power actually sustaining it through
The parents who also lost without the kids help, this doesn't negate the volcano threatening the characters that terraria would scale to.
First, it says shards not the crystal. Second, the Genie King while probably part of the shard plot I doubt it has a greater knowledge of the nature of the crystals than the children of the people who originally made the crystals and were trained by them, he even said it in away that seems to imply he is trying to correct their beliefs regarding the shards. Three, the Old One calls it their prison, plans to free their brothers from their crystal prisons, its physical form is explicitly destroyed when the heroes beat it up in the crystalline dimension meaning it is in there. Four, when they say "locked away the power of the Old Ones" it probably means trapped them in the crystal and prevent them from using their power to still affect the outside world.
Also it is called the crystalline dimension and is full of crystals which a connection between the dimension and the crystal.
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I still think they should have that from the gamma rays. They are specifically stated to melt brains to the point even the person firing it would die without protection and you heal it off.
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regenerating from being impaled in the brain should definitely be mid regen, is brain scrambler the one firing the gamma rays?
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That got changed, mid require a slight bit more damage than just a stab, but yeah brain scrambler fire radiation that has your brain damaged to the point it stops working properly and the radiation is stated to be dangerous enough that they need protective helmets
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Basically everything explaining the feat in detail for future use, quite a long read:
The Old One's power is what was specifically contained using the Eternia Crystal, which is stated twice. It's stated that the crystal is not a prison for the Old One, but a way to imprison its power and that the Old One is a resident of the dimension (the previous generation of heroes were the actual prisoners there, while the Old One's power is what's specifically sealed in the crystal dimension). The Old One fought in the crystalline dimension in DD is also stated to be only a physical form, further proof of the Old One's power being what is specifically contained inside the dimension, the Old One wasn't physically thrown inside the dimension, its power was sealed.
Unlike the heroes, the Old One is not shown to enter a portal to the dimension, the Old One's power was directly sealed using the crystal (from the chains going inside it, you can see the exact way the crystal contains things), which is shown even more clearly here, so there's no indication or proof of the dimension existing before the Old One's power was contained and two occasions where it is shown to not exist as there's no portal. So, not only is there no proof of the dimension existing before the sealing, but that also supports the idea of the dimension likely only existing because the Old One's power was sealed with the crystals. That same crystal can be destroyed without affecting the Old One or the dimension.
The objective of the Old One's Army throughout the story is explicitly destroying all the Eternia Crystals that are sealing the Old One. If the crystals were sustaining the dimension and would make it collapse when destroyed, the Old One wouldn't be trying to destroy them, especially when it was stated twice that the dimension contains its power and collapsing the dimension the Old One's in would likely kill it or get it stuck there. The only possible thing that could be sustaining the dimension is the Old One itself, as it collapses the very moment the Old One is defeated. It is stated verbatim "As the resident of this crystal prison is no more, the astral environment itself begins to collapse".
This scene is also pretty blatant proof. The crystals existing are merely a barrier or seal preventing the Old One from escaping from the dimension. The crystals are in no way, shape or form responsible for the creation nor the sustaining of the dimension, that's the job of the Old One's power. What the enemies in DD are trying to do is destroy every Eternia Crystals keeping the Old One from leaving the dimension and coming to their world, but destroying the crystals doesn't destroy the Old One nor the dimension containing its power, the dimension is only destroyed if the physical form of the Old One's power itself is defeated.
As previously stated, the crystals are not responsible for having sustained nor created the dimension, as they can be all destroyed without affecting the Old One and the dimension. The plot of the game is the heroes reuniting the shards of the destroyed crystal the Old One's power was sealed with to open a portal and save their parents that became prisoners inside the dimension, even breaking those individual shards doesn't affect the Old One nor the dimension.
As shown in the cutscene, once the crystal is remade, it can be used to create a portal to enter the crystalline dimension. Defeating and destroying the physical manifestation of the power of the Old One inside the dimension directly causes the dimension to collapse and be destroyed. This once again proves the dimension was created and sustained only because the Old One's power was contained inside it, as the dimension is destroyed the moment it is gone, unlike the crystals or the crystal shards.
The DD heroes were almost going to lose to the Old One, but with help of the previous generation of heroes, they manage to defeat the Old One and cause the destruction of the dimension that was sustained and possibly created by the Old One's power. As seen from this scene, the dimension contains a spiral galaxy with dim, blurred spots that seem to be much further back than the galaxy itself, making them unlikely to be stars (as such a starry sky wouldn't be visible from distances far greater than a galaxy if they truly were stars) and being a clear indication of intergalactic space, the patterns are also similar to galaxy filaments. The sky can be seen from the actual in-game fight too. It's easy to conclude the dimension should be 3-B, possibly 3-A in size.
The Old One's power is what was specifically contained using the Eternia Crystal, which is stated twice. It's stated that the crystal is not a prison for the Old One, but a way to imprison its power and that the Old One is a resident of the dimension (the previous generation of heroes were the actual prisoners there, while the Old One's power is what's specifically sealed in the crystal dimension). The Old One fought in the crystalline dimension in DD is also stated to be only a physical form, further proof of the Old One's power being what is specifically contained inside the dimension, the Old One wasn't physically thrown inside the dimension, its power was sealed.
Unlike the heroes, the Old One is not shown to enter a portal to the dimension, the Old One's power was directly sealed using the crystal (from the chains going inside it, you can see the exact way the crystal contains things), which is shown even more clearly here, so there's no indication or proof of the dimension existing before the Old One's power was contained and two occasions where it is shown to not exist as there's no portal. So, not only is there no proof of the dimension existing before the sealing, but that also supports the idea of the dimension likely only existing because the Old One's power was sealed with the crystals. That same crystal can be destroyed without affecting the Old One or the dimension.
The objective of the Old One's Army throughout the story is explicitly destroying all the Eternia Crystals that are sealing the Old One. If the crystals were sustaining the dimension and would make it collapse when destroyed, the Old One wouldn't be trying to destroy them, especially when it was stated twice that the dimension contains its power and collapsing the dimension the Old One's in would likely kill it or get it stuck there. The only possible thing that could be sustaining the dimension is the Old One itself, as it collapses the very moment the Old One is defeated. It is stated verbatim "As the resident of this crystal prison is no more, the astral environment itself begins to collapse".
This scene is also pretty blatant proof. The crystals existing are merely a barrier or seal preventing the Old One from escaping from the dimension. The crystals are in no way, shape or form responsible for the creation nor the sustaining of the dimension, that's the job of the Old One's power. What the enemies in DD are trying to do is destroy every Eternia Crystals keeping the Old One from leaving the dimension and coming to their world, but destroying the crystals doesn't destroy the Old One nor the dimension containing its power, the dimension is only destroyed if the physical form of the Old One's power itself is defeated.
As previously stated, the crystals are not responsible for having sustained nor created the dimension, as they can be all destroyed without affecting the Old One and the dimension. The plot of the game is the heroes reuniting the shards of the destroyed crystal the Old One's power was sealed with to open a portal and save their parents that became prisoners inside the dimension, even breaking those individual shards doesn't affect the Old One nor the dimension.
As shown in the cutscene, once the crystal is remade, it can be used to create a portal to enter the crystalline dimension. Defeating and destroying the physical manifestation of the power of the Old One inside the dimension directly causes the dimension to collapse and be destroyed. This once again proves the dimension was created and sustained only because the Old One's power was contained inside it, as the dimension is destroyed the moment it is gone, unlike the crystals or the crystal shards.
The DD heroes were almost going to lose to the Old One, but with help of the previous generation of heroes, they manage to defeat the Old One and cause the destruction of the dimension that was sustained and possibly created by the Old One's power. As seen from this scene, the dimension contains a spiral galaxy with dim, blurred spots that seem to be much further back than the galaxy itself, making them unlikely to be stars (as such a starry sky wouldn't be visible from distances far greater than a galaxy if they truly were stars) and being a clear indication of intergalactic space, the patterns are also similar to galaxy filaments. The sky can be seen from the actual in-game fight too. It's easy to conclude the dimension should be 3-B, possibly 3-A in size.
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Why Terraria scales:
In DD2, the heroes that defeated the Old One have grown up, being unquantifiably stronger than they were in the first DD. In DD2, the canonical crossover with Terraria happens, the timeframe being most likely post Eater of Worlds. The most blatant proof for the canonicity of the crossover is the Tavernkeep going back to DD2 in the credits of Terraria after saying goodbye to the Dryad, DD2 is also mentioned in dialogue by half of the npcs in Terraria, the Dryad can access her corruption form from DD2 with shimmer, the Dryad states she became stronger after the corruption tried taking over her in DD2, both worlds are also connected by the same portal and the crossover is also part of the progression for DD2 with the Dryad being a canon character along with a forest biome map and an Eye of Cthulhu boss.
Both the Dryad (for fighting in DD2 and being comparable to the DD2 heroes against the Old One's Army) and the Champion (for fighting the full power OOA as stated by the Tavernkeep in his tier 3 OOA dialogue) would scale to the heroes in DD2 and therefore both would be 3-B, possibly 3-A, with every Post-Golem character scaling to the Champion.
The Champion doesn't scale to tier 1 OOA as the Tavernkeep states they weren't putting up a fight and that they only use their full power in tier 3. This is backed up by the tier 1 army being portrayed as extremely weaker than the tier 3 army, as they are a pre-hardmode event compared to tier 3 which is Post-Golem. However, he only states that the tier 2 post-mech event "is becoming stronger", so it's not clear if the Champion would scale at that point, which could warrant a 8-A, possibly 3-B rating for every post-mech character.
The Dryad doesn't chainscale anyone. The Dryad never directly fights like the other npcs, only using buffs and debuffs, those being Nature's Blessing and Nature's Bane. The Dryad also never canonically dies, as she is stated to be the last of the Dryads in the lore. Killing her makes one with a different name spawn, so unlike the Guide, her dying is strictly non-canon, she has to live until the credits where she canonically turns into a tree. A pre-boss character can damage and possibly kill the Wall of Flesh, but that doesn't mean a pre-boss character scales to the WoF, as that doesn't happen canonically, so a pre-hardmode champion killing the Dryad with rotten eggs or lava would be non-canon.
The Dryad would have a profile with a key using her pre-OOA stats and a second key post-OOA with all her abilities gained in DD2 and a 3-B, possibly 3-A rating. The enemies the Dryad can temporarily summon in DD2 like the slimes, harpies and hornets wouldn't matter as they aren't named characters that can chainscale back to Terraria and are part of a larger species, and were most likely amped due to being summoned by the Dryad. Terraria weapons used by the Dryad in DD2 also wouldn't scale back to Terraria, as a main mechanic of DD2 is being able to upgrade your weapons, the Dryad also being one of the characters that can buff/amp herself and her weapons in DD2.
The Eye of Cthulhu also shows up in the DD2 crossover. However, the Dryad only ever states she went to DD2 after you beat tier 1 OOA, so the timeframe of the crossover is post-Eater of Worlds. An earlier timeframe could be when you find the unconscious Tavernkeep post-EoW, but the earliest possible timeframe for the crossover would still be after the pre-boss EoC is killed by the Champion, as the Dryad only spawns after it is killed, so no chainscaling to the EoC for the pre-boss Champion as it should be a resummoned EoC that the pre-boss Champion never canonically fought. The EoC would have a pre-boss key with its current scaling and a DD2 key with its DD2 scaling.
In DD2, the heroes that defeated the Old One have grown up, being unquantifiably stronger than they were in the first DD. In DD2, the canonical crossover with Terraria happens, the timeframe being most likely post Eater of Worlds. The most blatant proof for the canonicity of the crossover is the Tavernkeep going back to DD2 in the credits of Terraria after saying goodbye to the Dryad, DD2 is also mentioned in dialogue by half of the npcs in Terraria, the Dryad can access her corruption form from DD2 with shimmer, the Dryad states she became stronger after the corruption tried taking over her in DD2, both worlds are also connected by the same portal and the crossover is also part of the progression for DD2 with the Dryad being a canon character along with a forest biome map and an Eye of Cthulhu boss.
Both the Dryad (for fighting in DD2 and being comparable to the DD2 heroes against the Old One's Army) and the Champion (for fighting the full power OOA as stated by the Tavernkeep in his tier 3 OOA dialogue) would scale to the heroes in DD2 and therefore both would be 3-B, possibly 3-A, with every Post-Golem character scaling to the Champion.
The Champion doesn't scale to tier 1 OOA as the Tavernkeep states they weren't putting up a fight and that they only use their full power in tier 3. This is backed up by the tier 1 army being portrayed as extremely weaker than the tier 3 army, as they are a pre-hardmode event compared to tier 3 which is Post-Golem. However, he only states that the tier 2 post-mech event "is becoming stronger", so it's not clear if the Champion would scale at that point, which could warrant a 8-A, possibly 3-B rating for every post-mech character.
The Dryad doesn't chainscale anyone. The Dryad never directly fights like the other npcs, only using buffs and debuffs, those being Nature's Blessing and Nature's Bane. The Dryad also never canonically dies, as she is stated to be the last of the Dryads in the lore. Killing her makes one with a different name spawn, so unlike the Guide, her dying is strictly non-canon, she has to live until the credits where she canonically turns into a tree. A pre-boss character can damage and possibly kill the Wall of Flesh, but that doesn't mean a pre-boss character scales to the WoF, as that doesn't happen canonically, so a pre-hardmode champion killing the Dryad with rotten eggs or lava would be non-canon.
The Dryad would have a profile with a key using her pre-OOA stats and a second key post-OOA with all her abilities gained in DD2 and a 3-B, possibly 3-A rating. The enemies the Dryad can temporarily summon in DD2 like the slimes, harpies and hornets wouldn't matter as they aren't named characters that can chainscale back to Terraria and are part of a larger species, and were most likely amped due to being summoned by the Dryad. Terraria weapons used by the Dryad in DD2 also wouldn't scale back to Terraria, as a main mechanic of DD2 is being able to upgrade your weapons, the Dryad also being one of the characters that can buff/amp herself and her weapons in DD2.
The Eye of Cthulhu also shows up in the DD2 crossover. However, the Dryad only ever states she went to DD2 after you beat tier 1 OOA, so the timeframe of the crossover is post-Eater of Worlds. An earlier timeframe could be when you find the unconscious Tavernkeep post-EoW, but the earliest possible timeframe for the crossover would still be after the pre-boss EoC is killed by the Champion, as the Dryad only spawns after it is killed, so no chainscaling to the EoC for the pre-boss Champion as it should be a resummoned EoC that the pre-boss Champion never canonically fought. The EoC would have a pre-boss key with its current scaling and a DD2 key with its DD2 scaling.
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You can send long texts in the discussion no issues, if you wanna make a blog or sandbox it would be good too, but im already indexing the stuff you send here on my sandbox already
or you could probably just keep those in a blog of yours and then send it as counter argument
or you could probably just keep those in a blog of yours and then send it as counter argument
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There's also an Old One VSBW profile that's already accepted as 3-C for a long time, if anyone was unaware.
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Support by the lore we have already too about Cuthulu being a universal threat
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i kinda feel like the 8-B from explosives should probably be higher, does anyone know a re-calc for it? the terrarian uses an armor made out of much more tungsten + theres tungsten blocks, theres also TNT barrels packed with 3 dynamite but terrarian doesnt seem to survive these
cuz then, on a very perfect world, you basically get this scaling:
8-A Early game/king slime/EoC
5-C eater of worlds/brain (world feeders are deadly to hardmode champion while only being as deadly as EoW)
5-C skeletron (upscales from EoW)
5-C WoF (prevents solar eclipses)
5-C, Possibly 3-B Mech bosses and Post-Plantera (Tier 2 OOA might be 3-B)
3-B Post-Golem/Post-Cultist (fully scales to tier 3 OOA)
High 3-A (infinite shimmer bucket, unless infinite LS doesnt grant high 3-A)
cuz then, on a very perfect world, you basically get this scaling:
8-A Early game/king slime/EoC
5-C eater of worlds/brain (world feeders are deadly to hardmode champion while only being as deadly as EoW)
5-C skeletron (upscales from EoW)
5-C WoF (prevents solar eclipses)
5-C, Possibly 3-B Mech bosses and Post-Plantera (Tier 2 OOA might be 3-B)
3-B Post-Golem/Post-Cultist (fully scales to tier 3 OOA)
High 3-A (infinite shimmer bucket, unless infinite LS doesnt grant high 3-A)
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List of the Dryad's abilities in DD2. Maybe there will be some interesting hax.
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It is pretty clear that the Old Ones are sealed in crystals the one we fight explicitly says he plans to release other old ones held in crystal prisons, all evidence points to Eternia Crystals.
This line isn't about the crystal, but the shards this whole thing was a plan with the shards was a planned trap
These aren't mutually exclusive and it says crystal prison not dimension almost as if this place is created by the crystal.
it is explicitly the old one's physical form that gets destroyed and is is described as being no more they just decided to avoid outright say it died
that scene portrayed the old ones as a singular being it is clearly not a literal representation.
I don't recall that ever being confirmed a shard of that crystal or even an eternia crystal.
again it is literally just the old one not it's power and that is not provided as the reason.
why is this even relevant
I'll address the issues with the claims you made in the second part later.
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So pretty much every pre Plantera is wrong.
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Yes, they are sealed. The entire race of the Old One's was sealed, every single one of them was sealed in many crystals. It's specifically stated that their power was sealed, that's a completely clear, undeniable statement. It's stated twice.
It's pretty clear that it's referring to the fact the crystals weren't made to be a prison, but to imprison (it's stated twice, what was imprisoned/sealed was the Old One's power). The shards themselves aren't sealing the Old One, the full Eternia Crystals are. As I explained, the crystal can be broken apart and even the individual shards can be broken, but that doesn't release the Old One, every Eternia Crystal needs to be broken for the Old One to leave the dimension, killing the Old One immediately collapses and destroys the dimension.
Absolutely no proof of the crystal having created the dimension, as I quite clearly explained. Unlike the heroes who have to enter a portal to get to the crystalline dimension, the Old One is clearly [1] shown [2] to have been directly sealed by the crystal (as you can see from the chains directly entering the crystal in the first example and the Old one being directly inserted in the crystal in the second). For this same reason, there's zero proof of the dimension existing before the Old One was sealed, and two occasions where it's shown to not exist as no portal to the dimension is created before the Old One's power is sealed.
Considering the fact that the Old One's power was what was specifically sealed (as was stated twice), there's actually more evidence for the dimension having been created from the containment of the Old One's power, backed up by the crystals being destroyed not collapsing the dimension/killing the Old One, only directly killing the physical manifestation of the Old One inside the dimension makes it collapse. The Old One's objective in the game is literally destroying the crystals to be able to leave the dimension which is also sealing the Old One's power.
Yes, its physical form was destroyed and it likely died, that's exactly why the dimension collapses, and that's not my point. My point is that "Its physical form" being mentioned at all gives even more weight to the statement that the Old One's power was what was sealed in the dimension (as was stated twice), as it having a physical form is obvious, so it being mentioned gives weight to the dimension also containing its non-physical form (the Old One's power that was stated to be contained in it) which supports the idea of that power being what sustains and likely created the dimension.
It zooms out and shows that the Old One in that scene was contained inside the dimension, that's a singular Old One, an Old One is stopped from leaving the dimension by more than one Eternia Crystal. That's literally the plot of DD, the enemies try destroying all of the Eternia Crystals in each map to release an Old One (the one fought in the ending). Again, you're making a claim with no proof.
How is that portrayed as something that cannot be undone whatsoever??? The main plot of the game makes you get broken shards to make one of the crystals whole again. Even if it was something that can't be undone, that's completely irrelevant for the reasons below:
Again, the plot of the game is the DD enemies breaking every Eternia Crystal keeping the Old One from leaving the dimension. If destroying every crystal destroyed the dimension that specifically contains the Old One's power, as was stated twice, how would that make sense? The only thing the crystals do is keep an Old One from leaving the dimension, it's clearly shown. The dimension only collapses and is destroyed if the Old One is killed, destroying the Eternia Crystals is specifically to release the Old One from the dimension, otherwise, the Old One trying to escape by destroying the crystals would be destroying the dimension that is stated to contain the Old One's power (twice) and likely killing it in the process.
I still see no proof of the dimension not containing the Old One's power when that's the literal third phrase uttered in the game, is stated twice later on, and is supported by "its physical form" even being mentioned. It is stated verbatim "As the resident of this crystal prison is no more, the astral environment itself begins to collapse", that's the most obvious phrasing ever. The only way ever mentioned for the dimension to collapse is by killing the Old One, there was never any statement about the dimension collapsing if the crystals are all destroyed, there's zero arguments for that interpretation, the only possible thing that could be sustaining the dimension is the Old One.
You stated the heroes being threatened by a volcano later on is an anti feat (even though no one would want to be buried inside a collapsing volcano even if you could survive it), so I provided evidence of the heroes being only comparable to the Old One and not strictly stronger, as they needed help to defeat it.
I recommend not addressing them if you're going to ignore statements, as I fail to see value in baseless opinions.
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Why do you just say stuff without any elaboration whatsoever
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For starters the 8-B calc uses explosives which are stronger than barrels, and 5-C wall of flesh isn't valid.
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