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This revision thread will primary go over ap and speed for a few characters, another thread will be created later on when all the translations are out which will deal with Rimuru Tempest being Low 2-C or higher depending on the translations but for now this will do.
Gravity Collapse
First of all, when discussing the change in tiers, it is important to understand what Gravity Collapse is:
"The cause: a devastating nuclear magic known as 'Gravity Collapse'.
Releasing an insane amount of force, the cruel magic crushed them all. With gravity like that of a star, a localized gravity field had been generated. Anyone who may have been inside that super compressed area, had been crushed without exception. If that kind of force had continued any longer, all the energy would get focused on a single point, eventually creating a small black hole. The enemy did not intend to go that far, thankfully. Eliminating the majority of the troops, the magic had ceased. But, with almost 100,000 dead, it'd be a miracle if any had survived……"
So Gravity Collapse creates a localized gravity field which if continued would create a small blackhole.
Dragon Nova
It is revealed that Milim Nava ability called Dragon Nova is actually the ultimate, perfected form of Gravity Collapse, Dragon Nova causes a supernova.
"ÒÇîOho……? For you to be unscathed after being hit by Drago Nova……ÒÇì ÒÇîAh, it was the ultimate magic that caused a supernova explosion with a super-high compressio. It's the ultimate perfected form of nuclear strike magic "Gravity Collapse", but it's impossible to be use unless the user can manipulate Stardust freely. It's indeed an ultimate magic fitting for you. But, you see――ÒÇì
Velda began to explain heedlessly to Milim who unintentionally expressed her disbelief. He created a thin light membrane on his hand as to show Milim and continued his explanation.
ÒÇîI can also manipulate stardust. It's easy to avert the impact since I directed the destruction so it only affected a limited area.ÒÇì"
So essentially Dragon Nova is a highly compressed supernova explosion.
Quartet Skill
Added to this Diablo, Dino, Benimaru, and Zegio combined their strongest abilities which created the greatest destructive power since the beginning of the universe:
"Several super special moves were unleashed. With exquisite timing, it all reached the center of the tetrahedron as to cover Dino's technique. It caused a catastrophic, destructive power which was the greatest ever seen since the beginning of the universe. The catastrophic destruction filled『Absolute Barrier』, which was created to not let such power escape.
――Quartet Skill´╝ÜBreakdown Nostalgia――
The power of the four people combined as one and brought forth the ultimate destruction. It could be said that it was fortunate that this place was a subspace. For example, even if it was sealed by『Absolute Barrier』, just the leaked aftershock of the destructive power would be enough to wreck the surface ground. Since it was a Quartet Skill by four of the most powerful beings in the world, the synergy produced an unimaginable result."
This combined power pretty much creates a blackhole:
"In any case, the destructive power produced by the Quartet Skill would be blocked by『Absolute Barrier』 and would converge in the center. It would create a powerful gravitational force towards the center, and consigned everything into oblivion beyond the "Event Horizon". In order to escape from there you would need to exceed the speed of light, which was practically impossible. The space was too distorted and unstable, so activating『Transfer』was out of the question.
This same attack was survived by a True Dragon, albeit it was on the verge of death:
"Everyone who witnessed the spectacle was completely silenced. Except for one person.
ÒÇîKufufu, kuha, kuhahahahaha! Amazing, what a truly amazing power!! However, what is more amazing than all else is the existence called "True Dragon". Even after being bathed by such destructive power, it hasn't been annihilated――ÒÇì
While Diablo laughed loudly, he analyzed it calmly. Exactly as he stated, only the intact "Dragon Core" remained in the center of the tetrahedron. Although colorless, it was a mysterious orb emitting a dim shine. Everyone was captivated as if their minds were stolen by the orb. However, that would lead to carelessness. The "Berserk Dragon" Zero, without thinking about his own destruction, tried to take, at the very least, one of them along with him as his last breath's struggle. He predicted that if one corner of the tetrahedron was destroyed, the power trapped inside『Absolute Barrier』would swallow everyone in this place. Zero's instinct couldn't understand it, but if he succeeded, it would deal a massive amount of damage to the main body of Ramiris' labyrinth. As his malevolent instinct demanded, Zero mustered the last bit of his power to stretch out his tentacle. That tentacle went towards Dino's group."
Rimuru shows up and is fine inside said blackhole:
"That was a close call. If Ciel was just a little bit late in creating a new ability, we would have lost Gaia. If that happened, I can't even imagine how angry Milim would be... I get the shivers just by thinking about it. Not to mention, Dino tried to jump in to help them; there's a better place for such recklessness. Even if there were 2 people of awakened demon lord class, I wasn't sure they can reach the speed of light. It was a black hole. Not even light could escape, so even if they reached 99% the speed of light, it would still be meaningless. They might be able to escape if they haven't reached the core yet, but it will be a very risky gamble. It isn't something you can do it somehow just with willpower. So, how could I do it? Naturally, I wouldn't do something like moving beyond the speed of light. And yet, there was a simple reason why I could say that I ended up fine. If you can stop time, you don't have to think about speed. That's the freedom to move beyond the speed of light. But, I didn't need to do that this time. Because I can neutralize it to a certain degree with『Nihility Barrier[9]』of my『Nihility Collapse』. Things that come into contact with the barrier are assimilated and converted into nihility energy. That's the characteristic of『Nihility Barrier』. Instead of escaping, endure it till the end. This may be the only way."
Rimuru survived thanks to his new ability, but regardless with True Dragons being like Zero being able to tank that power which was the greatest the universes has seen since the beginning of the universe, and Milim creating a suprnova, I think enough evidence exists to upgrade Milim, The True Dragons, Rimuru etc to High 4-C.
Speed
Now above when it said Rimuru and co couldn't escape the blackhole, that was clearly contradictory as there are multiple FTL feats, see this thread to see them. However one thing that has been i forgotten is thought acceleration:
"A bunch of things seemed to have disappeared, but since I am in the middle of receiving the skills that my allies acquired, I should be able to use many more. I had thought that only the name changed for many of these, but I was clearly wrong. Thought Acceleration, for example, has now increased to 1,000,000 times as fast. I can't explain it in words very well… when I used it, time seemed to stop."
This skill basically increases Rimuru's and his subordinates thought processing speed a million times, in short MFTL+ reaction speed for Rimuru and his subordinates who have the same skill.
Gravity Collapse
First of all, when discussing the change in tiers, it is important to understand what Gravity Collapse is:
"The cause: a devastating nuclear magic known as 'Gravity Collapse'.
Releasing an insane amount of force, the cruel magic crushed them all. With gravity like that of a star, a localized gravity field had been generated. Anyone who may have been inside that super compressed area, had been crushed without exception. If that kind of force had continued any longer, all the energy would get focused on a single point, eventually creating a small black hole. The enemy did not intend to go that far, thankfully. Eliminating the majority of the troops, the magic had ceased. But, with almost 100,000 dead, it'd be a miracle if any had survived……"
So Gravity Collapse creates a localized gravity field which if continued would create a small blackhole.
Dragon Nova
It is revealed that Milim Nava ability called Dragon Nova is actually the ultimate, perfected form of Gravity Collapse, Dragon Nova causes a supernova.
"ÒÇîOho……? For you to be unscathed after being hit by Drago Nova……ÒÇì ÒÇîAh, it was the ultimate magic that caused a supernova explosion with a super-high compressio. It's the ultimate perfected form of nuclear strike magic "Gravity Collapse", but it's impossible to be use unless the user can manipulate Stardust freely. It's indeed an ultimate magic fitting for you. But, you see――ÒÇì
Velda began to explain heedlessly to Milim who unintentionally expressed her disbelief. He created a thin light membrane on his hand as to show Milim and continued his explanation.
ÒÇîI can also manipulate stardust. It's easy to avert the impact since I directed the destruction so it only affected a limited area.ÒÇì"
So essentially Dragon Nova is a highly compressed supernova explosion.
Quartet Skill
Added to this Diablo, Dino, Benimaru, and Zegio combined their strongest abilities which created the greatest destructive power since the beginning of the universe:
"Several super special moves were unleashed. With exquisite timing, it all reached the center of the tetrahedron as to cover Dino's technique. It caused a catastrophic, destructive power which was the greatest ever seen since the beginning of the universe. The catastrophic destruction filled『Absolute Barrier』, which was created to not let such power escape.
――Quartet Skill´╝ÜBreakdown Nostalgia――
The power of the four people combined as one and brought forth the ultimate destruction. It could be said that it was fortunate that this place was a subspace. For example, even if it was sealed by『Absolute Barrier』, just the leaked aftershock of the destructive power would be enough to wreck the surface ground. Since it was a Quartet Skill by four of the most powerful beings in the world, the synergy produced an unimaginable result."
This combined power pretty much creates a blackhole:
"In any case, the destructive power produced by the Quartet Skill would be blocked by『Absolute Barrier』 and would converge in the center. It would create a powerful gravitational force towards the center, and consigned everything into oblivion beyond the "Event Horizon". In order to escape from there you would need to exceed the speed of light, which was practically impossible. The space was too distorted and unstable, so activating『Transfer』was out of the question.
This same attack was survived by a True Dragon, albeit it was on the verge of death:
"Everyone who witnessed the spectacle was completely silenced. Except for one person.
ÒÇîKufufu, kuha, kuhahahahaha! Amazing, what a truly amazing power!! However, what is more amazing than all else is the existence called "True Dragon". Even after being bathed by such destructive power, it hasn't been annihilated――ÒÇì
While Diablo laughed loudly, he analyzed it calmly. Exactly as he stated, only the intact "Dragon Core" remained in the center of the tetrahedron. Although colorless, it was a mysterious orb emitting a dim shine. Everyone was captivated as if their minds were stolen by the orb. However, that would lead to carelessness. The "Berserk Dragon" Zero, without thinking about his own destruction, tried to take, at the very least, one of them along with him as his last breath's struggle. He predicted that if one corner of the tetrahedron was destroyed, the power trapped inside『Absolute Barrier』would swallow everyone in this place. Zero's instinct couldn't understand it, but if he succeeded, it would deal a massive amount of damage to the main body of Ramiris' labyrinth. As his malevolent instinct demanded, Zero mustered the last bit of his power to stretch out his tentacle. That tentacle went towards Dino's group."
Rimuru shows up and is fine inside said blackhole:
"That was a close call. If Ciel was just a little bit late in creating a new ability, we would have lost Gaia. If that happened, I can't even imagine how angry Milim would be... I get the shivers just by thinking about it. Not to mention, Dino tried to jump in to help them; there's a better place for such recklessness. Even if there were 2 people of awakened demon lord class, I wasn't sure they can reach the speed of light. It was a black hole. Not even light could escape, so even if they reached 99% the speed of light, it would still be meaningless. They might be able to escape if they haven't reached the core yet, but it will be a very risky gamble. It isn't something you can do it somehow just with willpower. So, how could I do it? Naturally, I wouldn't do something like moving beyond the speed of light. And yet, there was a simple reason why I could say that I ended up fine. If you can stop time, you don't have to think about speed. That's the freedom to move beyond the speed of light. But, I didn't need to do that this time. Because I can neutralize it to a certain degree with『Nihility Barrier[9]』of my『Nihility Collapse』. Things that come into contact with the barrier are assimilated and converted into nihility energy. That's the characteristic of『Nihility Barrier』. Instead of escaping, endure it till the end. This may be the only way."
Rimuru survived thanks to his new ability, but regardless with True Dragons being like Zero being able to tank that power which was the greatest the universes has seen since the beginning of the universe, and Milim creating a suprnova, I think enough evidence exists to upgrade Milim, The True Dragons, Rimuru etc to High 4-C.
Speed
Now above when it said Rimuru and co couldn't escape the blackhole, that was clearly contradictory as there are multiple FTL feats, see this thread to see them. However one thing that has been i forgotten is thought acceleration:
"A bunch of things seemed to have disappeared, but since I am in the middle of receiving the skills that my allies acquired, I should be able to use many more. I had thought that only the name changed for many of these, but I was clearly wrong. Thought Acceleration, for example, has now increased to 1,000,000 times as fast. I can't explain it in words very well… when I used it, time seemed to stop."
This skill basically increases Rimuru's and his subordinates thought processing speed a million times, in short MFTL+ reaction speed for Rimuru and his subordinates who have the same skill.
