Tatsuya Shiba vs. the Doctor

[Lucafriz]

Saw this thread (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...yuki-shiba-the-irregular-at-magic-hi-1850452/) recently, and thought it might be interesting to get some opinions on this matchup. Too bad that it seems like this site doesn't yet have a page for Miyuki. I suppose this battle would use the same rules and rounds as listed in the first post of that thread.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Doctor is 5-B with no equipment via regen, 4-B with equipment via TARDIS, and High 1-C with prep time via key to time


This is a stomp no matter what.

 

[Lucafriz]

It's a stomp even if you drop the Doctor in First High School and send him to fight Tatsuya with no prep time and only the TARDIS and the sonic screwdriver? And he starts the battle outside the TARDIS?

The last post in the thread linked lists a bunch of ways the Doctor apparently could conceivably beat Tatsuya (some of it if the Doctor is bloodlusted). Does Tatsuya not have any defense against any of that?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

FTL+ Reactions vs Relativistic

 

[Lucafriz]

So essentially, you're saying the Doctor can easily dodge anything Tatsuya throws at him?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Basically, unless there's something from stopping him from doing that.

 

[Lucafriz]

Ok, but does Tatsuya have any way to counter anything that is mentioned in the last post of the linked thread which the Doctor can apparently use to kill him?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

We go by what's listed on our profiles, and whatever way you play it, this is a mismatch.

 

[DontTalk]

If this is the doctor without prep time and starting outside the tardis this goes to shiba.

His reactions are useless since he has no method of doing anything to shiba without going to his tardis first, which he can only do at athletic human speed.


Essentially before the doctor can do anything against shiba his mist dispersion will be cast.

The doctor can hardly dodge an invisible attack that is actually instantanous in travel IIRC (not to mention that the doctors reactions shouldn't be linked to his dodging).

By what we know about timelords regen it would seem that they couldn't regenerate from that kind of damage, meaning that he doesn't survive and hence doesn't get access to Regenerationn energy.


If this is with prep or inside tardis the doctor wins on the other hand.


In both cases rather onesided.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

@DonTalk the FTL+ comes from this calculatio and it does count as dodging if I'm not mistaken.

 

[DontTalk]

It is arm movement speed, for dodging you would need to move the hole body.

Reaction stats are per principle often not suited for dodging.


The Doctor can consistently not do anything in a direct fight against a normal human with a gun. Against a superhuman he has bad cards in direct combat.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'm pretty sure he dodged Dalek shots in Asylum of the Daleks. (the scene where he hacks into a Dalek when it self destructs)

 

[DontTalk]

Dalek gunsticks aren't necessarily fast and as said he consistently can do nothing against people with normal guns.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

If he doesn't have FTL+ reactions, shouldn't he be downgraded then?

 

[Lucafriz]

Well, the Doctor has done stuff like generate forcefields and summon the TARDIS to his location with the sonic screwdriver, neither of which requires prep, which the linked thread states. Can that protect him from Tatsuya? In the scene in question where the FTL+ calculation comes from (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CRNKAb8hsI), the Doctor was also seen dodging gunshots from the androids attacking him with "nanoseconds to live", according to Missy, so maybe the FTL+ thing could also extend to his body movements.

The question would probably be whether the "nanoseconds to live" thing only applies to just the moment where the Doctor teleported out of there and escaped, or to the entirety of the scene (including his dodging of the shots). If it's the latter, then maybe he does have FTL+ reaction speed after all (and an argument may be forwarded that he was running that fast at the time too). It does seem weird that only his arm is capable of FTL+ speed and not the rest of his body. Missy did phrase the "nanoseconds to live" part by saying the Doctor was "surrounded, outnumbered, outgunned" and that part definitely applies to the whole scene until the Doctor escaped. From what I've heard, the Doctor can also shoot bullets out of the air (which the thread claims comes from a novel called "Trading Futures"), so dodging them should be within his purview (which the scene itself reinforces).

As for disintegration, the Doctor was unaffected by the Sycorax whip, which was shown to be able to reduce humans to bones, so you can't say he has not resisted attempts to disintegrate him before. Could it be possible that Tatsuya might attempt to disintegrate the Doctor and the Time Lord just shrugs it off like nothing happened? If the Doctor can react faster than Tatsuya (not improbable), then he could theoretically use the sonic screwdriver to destroy Tatsuya's CAD before Tatsuya can do anything to him, which would put a serious dampner on Tatsuya's ability to quickly cast any magic.

And how about things like the Doctor's plot shielding (which is apparently an explicit ability he possesses) and his ability to see various timelines in advance, as the linked thread indicates? I'm not saying Tatsuya cannot beat the Doctor, I just don't believe it's as easy as simply disintegrating him (or trying to do so).

 

[Lucafriz]

Dalek gunsticks aren't necessarily fast and as said he consistently can do nothing against people with normal guns.

In addition to the Doctor shooting bullets out of the air (seen at the start of Chapter 11 here https://books.google.ca/books?id=An...NjAC#v=onepage&q=shooting the bullets&f=false), and dodging the shots fired at him in that FTL+ scene, didn't the Doctor also use the sonic to wrench a gun out of Mr. Brock's hand in The Return of Doctor Mysterio? If disarming people is now a function of the sonic screwdriver, things might get interesting.

If the Doctor is at least fast enough to dodge bullets and capable of remotely disarming people, can't he do both to Tatsuya?

 

[Lucafriz]

The linked thread also says that the Doctor can summon the TARDIS with the sonic screwdriver, trap Tatsuya inside, and then lock it. Is that a valid way he can win? I don't know if Tatsuya's decomposition magic can affect the TARDIS, and if it can't, the Doctor can just keep Tatsuya imprisoned in the blue box at his pleasure (or even indefinitely), which I suppose would count as both BFR and incapacitation.

 

[Lucafriz]

The linked thread also indicates that the Doctor can potentially memory-proof any information on himself in the information dimension, which was likened to how he did it in this short episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UU_qWLvm4). Can the information dimension be seen as a database of informaiton just like the Inforarium? If so, then can't the Doctor also memory-proof it? He's apparently capable of memory-proofing informaiton that exists in 12 levels of reality (suggsting a dimensionally transcendental aspect), so would the information dimension (and any information in it) fall within those parameters?

Given that Tatsuya appears to rely on Elemental Sight to find his targets through the information dimension so he can decompose them, if the Doctor can memory-proof information in that dimension and make Tatsuya forget everything about him right after Tatsuya learns said information, then doesn't that mean Tatsuya can't use the information dimension to affect the Doctor and therefore can't use his magic since that magic is dependent on manipulating information in the dimension to affect the physical world? In theory, everytime Tatsuya tried to access information on the Doctor in the informaiton dimension, he'd forget it, then try to access it again, then forget it again, and it'll loop repeatedly until he stops doing this, just like what the Doctor did to the Inforarium guard in the episode.

Is this also considered prep? The linked thread suggests that it's merely a state of being for any information on the Doctor from the Eleventh Doctor onwards. So the Eleventh Doctor could have memory proofed the information dimension and those changes continue to apply to any subsequent incarnations used in battles. Just want to get some thoughts on this.

 

[Lucafriz]

Bump

 

[Lucafriz]

I suppose given that the Doctor's FTL+ reaction speed was reaffirmed recently, given that it appeared to be a point of contention before, how does he fair in the battle now?

 

[Lucafriz]

Bump

 

[Lucafriz]

Bump

 

[AJcool64]

Bump

 

[Lucafriz]

So it seems that the Doctor actually ca block attempts to disintegrate him after all. In the episodes the Zygon Invasion and the Zygon Inversion, the Zygons are shown to be capable of totally disintegrating people and other Zygons via bolts of electricity. However, that technique was completely ineffective against the Doctor. Notwithstanding the fact that the Doctor already previously demonstrated a resistence to being distintegrated when he was hit by a Sycorax whip which failed to affect himm said whip being capable of disintegrating flesh and muscle from humans.

That said, I don't really think "Tatsuya can win by disintegrating the Doctor" is a valid argument anymore.