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Tatsumaki and Psykos Upgrade
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So what is the conclusion of this thread?
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Le bump
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this isn't a french forum go back to surrenderland
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That is more reasonable than the earlier proposal.
But upscaling like this is still uncalled for IMO. We're just throwing random numbers onto a result because it boosts characters to higher tiers. It doesn't improve our wiki in terms of accuracy; it just makes us feel good because a character hit a new high score.
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Didn't you propose this idea and it got rejected?
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There were many proposals for how upscaling could be dealt with. Removing them, using a set multiplier, using them proportionally to each tier or half-tier, etc.
The conclusion, if I recall correctly, was to keep upscaling on a case-by-case basis and not go overboard with it.
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I did agree with you on the upscaling thing being a little arbitrary when all tiers really are, are names assigned to joule values not really milestones a character reaches, but I also think upscaling can be good in some cases and getting rid of it completely is not right or that's at least how I see it.
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I'm generalizing a bit; but also most people only want to apply this apparent "1.3x multiplier" only when it falls within a arbitrary range of another tier. What is the acceptable range? Some people think 1.1x, or 1.3x. Some people would even go up to 1.5x or 2x.
There is literally no correct answer to this. And people wouldn't be trying to boost Tatsumaki's AP by 1.3x if the gap to the next tier was huge. Which is what makes it arbitrary.
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Well in the upscaling thread, a lot of people seemed to agree with 1.33x, but a lot of other people didn’t want to place a specific number.
Eh, I wouldn’t exactly call it arbitrary. Because the gap is tiny, and Tatsumaki scales FAR above someone that scales FAR above the calc that’s 1.3x away from baseline. It’s not unreasonable to say that she can upscale to baseline.
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1.3x isn't Tiny
By the way Naruto only upscales because of a 2x multiplier it doesn't actually upscale to low 5-B without it
By the way Naruto only upscales because of a 2x multiplier it doesn't actually upscale to low 5-B without it
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What does Naruto have to do with anything…?
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I think they are referring to Bern's comments
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The fact that it was used as an example for upscaling earlier when it isn't even upscaling through the way OPM is getting it
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It's not arbitrary, it's just the fact that both gaps are huge. It's not 1.3x for Tatsumaki, it's upscaling from someone much stronger than Orochi.
Wanting to not upscale these characters isn't any more accurate (it'd say it's actually way less accurate given how Tatsumaki destroyed her body), and these much more strict upscaling rules were largely unapplied in your old upscaling thread.
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I don't want to say that Tatsumaki isn't any stronger.
I just think it would be better to display it on her profile as rating as: "At least X" instead of boosting her up to a solid "Y".
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I think the rating "At least 5-C, likely low 5-B" for Tatsumaki would be fair in this situation.
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Agreed.
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This is good, I agree with likely small planet too. Lets make tatsumaki the same as nappa.
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I suppose “Likely Low 5-B” will work.
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I agree with LordTracer. I think she could easily upscale to Low 5-B
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If upscaling from Orochi’s calc is this difficult, that brings up the question of what we do with MB Boros and Saitama. I assume the former would get “Likely Low 5-B” and the latter would just be Low 5-B.
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Released probably too.
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Why would Released get it…?
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I'd say a likely would be the best option, because he scales above Orochi. Saitama treated the monster king like a child while he called Released Boros strong at least once.
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Released Boros is fine as he is. Tatsumaki, someone who easily crushed Psykorochi, someone who’s capable of one-shotting Orochi, only gets a “Likely Low 5-B,” meanwhile Released Boros is just somewhat stronger than Orochi. He shouldn’t be upscaling.
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The fact that Tatsumaki has been given a "Likely" despite possibly scaling higher than Released doesn't mean Boros doesn't get it too, specially when he is stronger than Orochi.
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That’s not even close to the point I was making. Tatsumaki’s scaling above Orochi is far more concrete and has a much larger scaling chain that Released Boros. If, despite all of that, she only gets a possibly, I see no reason why Released Boros, who is just vaguely stronger, would get the same treatment.
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Just “being stronger” is nowhere near enough to upscale here.
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That's what the likely is for dude. My point is you shouldn't compare two characters, but just analyze them individually.
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