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Tarouverse Official Discussion Thread

Welp i already graduated from college and the explanation blogs are all pretty much done so.........feel free to do anything with it.
 
Nice, congrats. I think there was another supporter or two idk if they logged into their accounts here, but anyways thanks, I’ll create the thread on the tier of the verse when I have some free time then.
 
Feel free to ask me anything if you need some help, since this series have shitload of infodump that even i have hard time to digest all.
 
Alright, so from what I have understood from the cosmology thing the Multiverse is low 1-C (possibly uncountable infinity; trivializes 4-D constructs that is a universe to leaser than an elementary particle) and I don’t see any other level of transcendence beyond this (except for end emptiness which trivializes the 5-D Multiversal Structure). This would scale to 3 Digits Reality Warping/Casualty Manipulation and similar skills. Does this sound fine or is there something like transcendence that I missed? I remember there being a part about higher dimensions but that doesn’t seem to be spatial and that’d mean 3-Digits are low 2-C physically.

Physically I think the 3-Digits might be 4-A, 4-B or 5-B if one can say they’re physically comparable to pre-evolution Azi Dahaka since their 4-A rating would come from the assumption that shaking the heavens and earth refers to the universe which is a bit of a stretch. Their 4-B rating would imply their somewhat comparable to Azi Dahaka post evolution and would assume the heavens refers to shaking the stars.
 
Correction:
- The 3-Digit (Already nerfed 50% of their power), view infinite multiverses (yes, multiverse in plural form) are nothing but smaller than particles. The higher dimensions are their Another Cosmology, yeah i know it's kinda vague since Tarou doesn't put dimensional stuffs must, but their feats can make it up to that. Also the 3-Digit are comparable to Pure-blooded Dragons - race that can enlarge themselves infinitely larger than Little Garden's multiversal structure. About their feats as Brahman shenanigans i think my blog also explained as well. At this point i believe they must have some sort of transcendece, for entire Mondaiji-verse are within their hands afterall.

- Secondly no, sadly we don't have the physical feats of 3-Digit Gods, hence we can't scale their physical capabilites to Azi. As vol 10 have said their true form is so immense that they have to send out their avatars to lower floors, but so far as i have read 3-Digit almost lack of feats in their avatar form, so if you want to scale the 3-Digit just scale them as Brahman beings instead.

If i have to tell, currently only Typhon, Balor, Azi and Gaia have decent amount of feats in their avatar form. While Indra and Bishamonten also have their avatars performed some combat scene in LE, but, eh, how should i say it then? They are just....too vague for me to scale them, because it's nothing notable for me? So yeah, you get the idea. Though i might do some re-read and check if there's anything usable.

- About Azi, he's quite unique because of his Avesta. If you planned to make a profile about him i will help explaining how his power works.
 
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So something along the lines of:

- Universe (4D)
- Possibly Uncountable Infinity Multiverse (5D)
- 3-Digits (6-D; Trivializes them to be nothing more than elementary particle)
- 2-Digits (7-D(?); The entire verse below them are within the oaks of their hands)
- End Emptiness 1-Digit (8D; The entire verse is viewed as a story within a box)

Yeah their non-avatar form only has the physical feat statement of shaking the heavens and earth with their presence on lower worlds. It’s due to needing a rating for their striking strength section, even if it is “At least ____, likely much higher”.

Where does it say the dragons can enlarge themselves to be bigger than the multiverse? I might be un-intentionally reading over it but I only see that they mature indefinitely and that they’re a self-contained universe. They can also manifest in an outer world which would be weird to have a bigger than multiverse dragon in it.

Yeah, I’m about to free myself from 2 and a half verses I was also helping in to get CRTs so I’ll start putting more time on profiles for Mondaiji. I’d say the most important profiles to have are Izayoi, Asuka and Yō’s and Aži’s. Having those 4 one can probably add them to the wiki and start adding profiles one by one from there.
 
3-Digit still view entire verse like a joke though, even if they got nerfed 50% of their power, you can add keys like 50% and full power for them.

For the 2-Digit, aside from their power that already > might of 3-Digit, the difference between them and the 3-Digit are they is not bounded by the restrictions that the 3-Digit suffered like Omnipotence Paradox, rules of Gift Games and End Emptiness sealed most of their power. Basically 2-Digit is the objective that the 3-Digit aimed for. So far we only have 17 of them, known beings are Gautama Buddha, Typhon and (currently nerfed) Shiroyasha.

1-Digit......i think you can guess the rest so i will pass. Oh and, actually End Emptiness doesn't have the "view story in a box" feat, he can grant all 3-Digit and 2-Digit beings the Authority to end all worlds (stories). If you are talking about "in a box" stuff, then it should belong to Dystopia, the guy who can lock mankind's history into "world in a box". Or Shiroyasha who can seal entire Little Garden by using her "world in a box" Gift Game too.

Okay about the dragons, as you can see here they are existences that equivalent with cosmologies

Original Japanese scan:

"Pureblood of a dragon type huh.......not bad, I've always been interested in the topic of the purebloods of the dragons. For it's much different from gods and Celestial beings, a completely mysterious race of its own that I can't quite put a finger on."

"Really?"

"Yes. From the information I got, they are "Eudemon that does not exist on the Phylogenetic Tree", but that it should be a contradiction. Aren't the Eudemon a species that was born only when there was an elevation of Spiritual Essence and an explosive change on the Phylogenetic Tree? If that being does not exist on the Phylogenetic Tree, won't that be [Lifeform born from nothingness]?"

"Isn't that a normal thing?"

Leticia tiles her head, as if trying to say "Isn't that clear as a sunny day?"

Izayoi couldn't even speak up a word.

"------------------...... Oh? So, to put that in short?"

"Just as you said......... The Pureblooded Dragon aren't "born" but "occurred". A species took their shape when enormous power gathers, without anything to warn beforehand. They are Pureblooded Dragon. In latter generations, pureblooded are only when they are born from a singular reproduction, while those born from mating with other species are sub-dragon."

"Ah...... so if they were born from a singular production, won't their body be small?"

"No, it isn't that kind of thing. It is said that any pure-blooded Dragon, be it any of them has a gigantic body of the size of beyond any imagination. Especially the Dragon that created the Vampire race, it was so huge that their legends stated that it is "the dragon that carried the World"."

Ah? Izayoi, in all of a sudden, was suddenly fell into silent.

That is because he knew existences that have a very similar description.

——The so-called "the dragon that carried the World", is a part of the World Creation as talked by mythologies. Beside, its existence is also the equivalent of the Cosmologies by the narration. Sometimes, religions cosmologies referred them as incarnation of the Supreme God by mythologies.

For example, in the cosmology of the ancient Egyptian myth, there is this content "The Earth is a goddess whose body is covered in plants and lying the ground, the goddess of the sky whose arched body is supported by the god of air".

Similarly, there are many religious cosmologies that considered "World equivalent to God". But according to Leticia's words, these kinds of living beings which possessed mythological cosmologies are indeed existed.


And this is the part that said they can enlarge infinitely. If you are wondering about the maturity part, it's also refered to their large size, since the most unique characteristic of them is their huge ass body afterall

〝何の前触れもなく発生する生命体(エネルギー)〟を突き詰めていけば無から有を自律的に生み出した生命体であり、観測者が不要ということは世界の因と果から完全に切り離された存在であることを意味する。自己観測によって存在を確立できるのなら力の損失もなく永遠に存在し永遠に膨張し続けることもできるということになる。

If he examines carefully the fact they are “lifeform (energy) that occurs without prior warning”, they would be lifeforms who autonomically born from nonexistence to existence, and so are they don’t need an observers, which means perfect isolation from cause and effect of the world. If they can establish their existence by self-observation, they can exist eternally without a loss of power and so are capable of continuing to expand for eternity.
 
That'd still be low 1-C I think, just above baseline 6D since they're at least twice at strong.

Yeah, I'm not sure if that 2-Digits qualify for a higher dimension, they might just be stronger 6D, it would be a pretty big scaling chain considering 2-Digits >>>>>>>>> 3-Digits.

Ah, okay dragons don't seem to literally grow bigger than the multiverse unless we take "the world" as all of existence but that'd stretching it, however, due to the nature of little garden the fact that they're regarded as bigger than the world makes them in another sense their "existence is also the equivalent of the Cosmologies" so they'd be scalable to it anyways imo. It'd help as further supporting to low 1-C.

What I'm having the most trouble with is translating all these rules from the verse into Vs Battles.

Yeah, I got the box stuff mixed up when I was talking about it with someone on discord.

Another question I have is how'd one consider [Spiritual Essence], the go to answer would be soul but your respect thread has some info that I consider to be pretty important regarding it. I'm sure you know it but I'll quote it here anyways

1st, [Total Mass] in the Material World. The Star Spirits being counted as a Strongest Species is because they were a species stands at the top of this field. The Star Spirits, the perfect lifeforms which are amalgams of Material Physique (Material), Stellar Physique (Astral) and Imaginary Number Physique (Tachyon), are considered to be extremely powerful among the Three Great Strongest Species.

2nd, the [Density of Time]. The higher for existing time of a [Spiritual Essence] from its materialization to the present, its possibilities of manifestation and its density of existence in parallel universes, the mightier and brighter a [Spiritual Essence].

The Star Spirits might be powerful in this field, but royalties and demigods of mankind are also correspond to that.

The which "completely identical phenomena can be observed" in parallel universes can be said as the strongest [Spiritual Essence], which is impossible to observe unless the act of observation is executed simultaneously with the genesis of the universe even within the statistical law of cause and effect.

The [Clairvoyant] (Future Vision) in Little Garden is to denote the power to infer these two measurements.

The two measurements of the universe which were established from Alpha (the beginning).

When mankind gives a name on this ------ They called that - [Fate].

For those that can do anything with Spiritual Essence (I think I remember Azi destroying/erasing someone's for example) I think it'd count for Non-Physical Interaction, Information Manipulation (Imaginary Numbers), Soul Manipulation (? (Astral), and causality/time manipulation (Density of time).
 
Regarding the cosmology of the verse alone, like i said, 3-Digit already have higher dimensions though, which are the Another Cosmology, as you can see here:

Alma: “[Natural-born Divine Spirit]…… Lifeforms that are the mutual observers with mankind and possessing alternate cosmologies.
The gods possess alternate cosmologies from mankind’s – [Another Cosmology]. The worlds they dwell on are all exist outside the universe. In human term, you can call those as Outer Universes.”

Shiro: “Since those are completely incomprehensible dimensions where a slight mistake in the density of time would lead to incomprehensible Laws of Physic, Proper Times and Laws of Celestial Bodies. You can also define Little Garden as another Outer Universe. And just to be sure, [Natural-born Divine Spirit] doesn’t mean pure-blooded Divine Spirit, if anyone is confused.”

Now, this is the vague part. Since Tarou only said that they are incomprehensible dimensions with a different density of time, laws and stuffs, hence we don't have clear explanation for how high their dimensional structure is, that's why i'm gonna use the feats instead. Volume 10 have explained that they exist on higher plane, if not highest in Little Garden's multiverse hierarchy. So combined with the feat of LE 6 that the 3-Digit view infinite multiverses as smaller than particles, we can conclude the higher dimensions that the 3-Digit gods resided view the rest of entire Mondaiji verse as insignificant as well. It should be the most logical explanation for this.

Also if you have read my blog, i think you may have known the Poets also have significant role when it comes to developing the cosmology. Taking the stories and myths that weaved by Poets, due to the nature of Little Garden that literally allows everything to be possible, even a fictional story such as King Arthur's legend can become reality of Mondaiji multiverse. A story's impact can branch into countless diversities, which later branched into another countless stories and timelines. They just keep multiplying endlessly, you can get the idea though. Not to mention we have bunch of bullshit like Paradigm Shifts, infinite possibilites, infinite outer worlds,... or elements that made up the verse (Alpha & Omega, Yin & Yang, Heaven & Earth, Duality,...). Put those who can casually nuke the verse aside, i think cosmology should be at least in fair 1-C, due to the complexity it has.

About Spiritual Essence, not sure if Divine Spirits have Tachyon or not, since Tarou only mentioned they have Stellar Body and Physical Body, while the Star Spirits have all three that you quoted above. But overall what you mentioned i think it's fine for me.
 
Yeah, that's why they'd be a dimension higher than the multiverse structure. I know that there are tons of infinite outer worlds, stories and whatnot but that does not raise the cosmology a tier. I recently went through a CRT having similar stuff and here is what I got

We don't really treat such verse as infinite 2-A on the cosmology, from the tiering system:


Note 4:

In spite of what our intuitions may tell us, destroying or otherwise fully affecting multiple infinite-sized multiverses is in fact not a better feat than doing the same to a single infinite multiverse, and thus, not above the "baseline" for 2-A

The reason behind this is that the total amount of universes contained in a collection of multiple infinitely-sized multiverses (Even one consisting of infinitely many of them) is in fact equal to the amount of universes contained in a single one of the multiverses that form this ensemble: It is countably infinite, as the union of countably-many countable sets is itself countable, and thus does not differ in size from its components. Thus, only an uncountably infinite number of universes actually makes any difference in terms of Attack Potency, at this scale.

This illustrates some of the more unintuitive properties of sets with infinite elements: Namely, given a set X, it being a subset of another set Y does not imply that Y > X in terms of size. An example of this is how the set of all natural numbers contains both the odd numbers and even numbers, yet all of these sets in fact have the same number of elements.

However, such a feat may indeed qualify as stronger if the verse itself treats it as such.

The only way to get it above 2-A is to get an uncountable infinity, which I think Homura's explanation of interchanging parallel world theory qualifies for. However with you mentioning the dimension stuff, 2-Digits existing on a higher one than 3-Digits (If I remember correctly) + 3-Digits viewing the multiversal hierarchy as lesser than a particle might allow 2-Digits to be 1-C and 1-Digits a higher degree of 1-C
 
2-Digit are like, how should i say it then? Aside from the obvious fact that they are already >>>> 3-Digit, what makes them different from the 3-Digit is they are freed from the Omnipotence Paradox and various restrictions that the 3-Digit has. Indra explained that 2-Digit is the new path aimed by the 3-Digit (Though i doubt they can pass the limits lol). But yeah whatever, with the feats i think 3-Digit still be at good 1-C. And ah no, we don't have the feat that 2-Digit exist higher than 3-Digit though.

For the 1-Digit, they are vastly stronger than entire might of 3-Digit and 2-Digit, regardless how many numbers they have. Just imagine that even Queen Halloween who can summon infinite monsters that stronger than her, is still a pile of dust in front of the LE.
 
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I finally got around to verifying my account. Wich tiers are we talking about for BoS Asuka and Yo? And what are the best feats for mind hax/ resistance to it? Ratten controling the guards in volume 2, maybe Asuka boosting the dragons in volume 11(she could probably control people on that scale too)?
 
I finally got around to verifying my account. Wich tiers are we talking about for BoS Asuka and Yo? And what are the best feats for mind hax/ resistance to it? Ratten controling the guards in volume 2, maybe Asuka boosting the dragons in volume 11(she could probably control people on that scale too)?
I know that Asuka Oraculum is something extremely brokenly due to nullified the most deadly conceptual killing.
 
It might be an awkward but since someone already done with the cosmology explanation, I've decided to form some little(Hyper-Wanking) profile frame long ago for my satisfaction
Hope it can be little helpful(Actually I attempted to create some blog but due to forum moving so)


Also sry for my poor grammarly
 
It might be an awkward but since someone already done with the cosmology explanation, I've did some little(Hyper-Wanking) profile inform long ago for my satisfaction
Hope it can be little helpful(Actually I attempted to create some blog but due to forum moving so)


Also sry for my poor grammarly
Bruh i think Phantom already made sandbox for Izayoi's profile (Though only for Mondaiji, not LET yet)
 
Still i wonder about the feat of AC, should we combined both Mondaiji and LE or separated into different key? Since the viewing infinite multiverses are nothing but particles is only from LE, and many other things
 
Still i wonder about the feat of AC, should we combined both Mondaiji and LE or separated into different key? Since the viewing infinite multiverses are nothing but particles is only from LE, and many other things
Nah, Since it possessed same plot and terminology
the combined of both AC's feat are just fine
 
It might be an awkward but since someone already done with the cosmology explanation, I've decided to form some little(Hyper-Wanking) profile frame long ago for my satisfaction
Hope it can be little helpful(Actually I attempted to create some blog but due to forum moving so)


Also sry for my poor grammarly
Also I've created for others(Approximately 30 I guess) though for nothing lol
 
As you know, Izayoi in Mondaiji is still only at 4-Digit, even if you counted his AC, hence i doubt his firepower can reach the same level as 3-Digit, just not yet. Also in LE Izayoi is quite struggling with Typhon's Nec Plus Ultra too, but the feat can be upgraded.
 
As you know, Izayoi in Mondaiji is still only at 4-Digit, even if you counted his AC, hence i doubt his firepower can reach the same level as 3-Digit, just not yet. Also in LE Izayoi is quite struggling with Typhon's Nec Plus Ultra too, but the feat can be upgraded.
Generally, I think all of Another Cosmology should be "at least comparable" to each other as a statement from many relatively people like Canaria who can perform such a feat or Kalki(If we not counting an extremely unique cases like Avesta)
 
Azi is a LE, and his AC currently is the strongest, pretty sure that the chance for Izayoi to surpass his AC is pretty low (I doubt about the rest can do that either).

As for Izayoi, his power is still growing hence his AC is not in his complete state yet. Canaria is a Poet but she lack combat ability, and the narrator only said she's still developing a power that might comparable to AC. In a word, we still have no clue how strong it is.

Kalki is the easiest to gauge here. He has been stated to be capable of surpassing Gautama Buddha (a 2-Digit being) once he got all avatars of Vishnu, so his AC can be scaled to that.
 
As you know, Izayoi in Mondaiji is still only at 4-Digit, even if you counted his AC, hence i doubt his firepower can reach the same level as 3-Digit, just not yet. Also in LE Izayoi is quite struggling with Typhon's Nec Plus Ultra too, but the feat can be upgraded.
And the point of Indra's notion about Izayoi powers, I think his consideration is about "the entirely mighty", For example if one can perform a feat that can destroy a star but with the final move while his physically or status are just urban level so conclusion would be vaguely around urban to a star class. That's what I think
 
Btw i just checked, so AC also have time manipulation ability too (Which kinda make sense though since AC is already a separated world from the mainstream multiverse itself)

“Hey, I’m not trying to fool you. I was only using the default function of [Another Cosmology] in the Game earlier and it was to change the definition for the second that was experienced by yourself. To make that split second seem like a thousand years in your mind. This is actually a power that is supposed to accelerate the situation without interfering with the total power expended.—-It’s just like that.”

*Swish* Canaria lightly gave a flick of her wrist and a sharp sound of the wind being sliced could be heard.

At the same time, there was a small shard that shot past Leticia’s cheek at an unusual speed. That shard which travelled at a speed comparable to the first cosmic velocity collided with the throne before falling to the ground.

Leticia was taken aback by that display but it did not hamper her thoughts. She quickly understood the meaning behind that incredible and mysterious phenomenon.

“No, No way……! To actually change the definition of a second rather than the increase of speed of an object to give it acceleration……?! That sort of thing is,“
 
Btw i just checked, so AC also have time manipulation ability too (Which kinda make sense though since AC is already a separated world from the mainstream multiverse itself)

“Hey, I’m not trying to fool you. I was only using the default function of [Another Cosmology] in the Game earlier and it was to change the definition for the second that was experienced by yourself. To make that split second seem like a thousand years in your mind. This is actually a power that is supposed to accelerate the situation without interfering with the total power expended.—-It’s just like that.”

*Swish* Canaria lightly gave a flick of her wrist and a sharp sound of the wind being sliced could be heard.

At the same time, there was a small shard that shot past Leticia’s cheek at an unusual speed. That shard which travelled at a speed comparable to the first cosmic velocity collided with the throne before falling to the ground.

Leticia was taken aback by that display but it did not hamper her thoughts. She quickly understood the meaning behind that incredible and mysterious phenomenon.

“No, No way……! To actually change the definition of a second rather than the increase of speed of an object to give it acceleration……?! That sort of thing is,“
Yeah it is, Cuz AC can override any laws and painting its own law under the user's will.
 
We know that there are certainly basically AC's functions

1.Destroys other cosmology
2.Changes any universe/cosmos laws
3.Emanation its own laws upon any plane of existence
4.Nullifying abilities
5.Has its own uniques powers

What's more?
 
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We know that there are certainly basically AC's functions

1.Destroys other cosmology
2.Chanages any universe/cosmos laws
3.Emanation its own laws upon any plane of existence
4.Nullifying abilities
5.Has its own uniques powers

What's more?
Also the strongest weapon/sure-kill technique in Mondaiji verse
- Can erase the old world just by mere activation outside Little Garden
- Is basically using entire world as a weapon itself
- Literally in terms of mass and concepts, nothing can surpass AC
- AC = Higher Dimension with different laws, different density of time,... from the main stream multiverse.
 
So, We have legitly explanation page, Cosmology and terminology seems fine too.
What are we going to do next?(Forgot this thread's main topics lol)
 
Just a quicklook, the profile of Shiroyasha is...... not right unfortunately

For example, the part that said Shiroyasha is 10th strongest being in LG is straight up from prologue of vol 10, not from Tarou's interview.

Also you can't scale Shiroyasha to Kouryuu either, since Koruyuu's physical strength of course is no match for her who created realm that contains a star for lulz. Not to mention about the durability, bare minimum to kill a random Star Spirit is a strike that can end infinite worlds, of course there are some exceptions that can tank AC so that level of strike is just a petty trick.
 
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