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if there is enough supporting evidence, if a character is said by the author to literally (really) transcends everything, would the character get a 0 tier because of math because it transcends concepts like beth numbers, cardinals, alephs, true coordinate?

(no exaggeration).

sorry for my english 😕
 
No, they would on transcend everything shown in the verse. And even that is based on the context of what transcend means in this scenario.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
mathematics is not something that scales to cosmology. In mathematics, transcendence is simply 0 (by transcending mathematics I mean having supporting and sufficient evidence), since mathematical cardinals include Beth numbers and real space (woodin makes cardinal 0). and also literally "transcent everything" What do you understand by this definition? -"everything" falls under this definition in mathematics- as long as there is enough evidence and support, surpassing mathematics is 0. so wouldn't it be 0 to surpass everything? Please explain with reasons.

Also, there's no need to mention a case of context. Let's imagine that literally the phrase "transced everything" was coined by the author. In this case, wouldn't it logically be 0?

exaggeration etc. Suppose there are no situations
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This statement, assuming it's not flowery, will scale relative to your verse.

Arceus won't be getting tier 0 just because the author says he "transcends everything" , for example
 
Mathematics is not real though and doesn't have any grounds in reality. If math one day disappeared the world would continue as normal as we are the ones who created math. Unless it's stated that mathematics scales to the cosmology or the cosmology of the verse scales above those mathematics in size then it would mean something.

But if it's just some throwaway "I transcend everything" statement then that just means at best they are above the random concept humans made up with.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Mathematics is not real though and doesn't have any grounds in reality. If math one day disappeared the world would continue as normal as we are the ones who created math. Unless it's stated that mathematics scales to the cosmology or the cosmology of the verse scales above those mathematics in size then it would mean something.

But if it's just some throwaway "I transcend everything" statement then that just means at best they are above the random concept humans made up with.
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Although the disappearance of mathematics does not physically change anything in our lives, exceeding the concepts in mathematics (cardinals, beth numbers, etc.) scales the character. I'm going to sleep now, let's continue tomorrow
 
TRUTH said:
Although the disappearance of mathematics does not physically change anything in our lives, exceeding the concepts in mathematics (cardinals, beth numbers, etc.) scales the character. I'm going to sleep now, let's continue tomorrow
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No, there would be like 60+ Tier 0's if we used that logic.

You can transcend Space and Time but that doesn't mean you transcend a 6734564th Dimensional Space if such a space simply doesn't exist. If we follow your logic if a character in the novel randomly imagines an Omnipotent Beyond Cardinals Super Duper Concept then the God of that verse is automatically beyond cardinals and Omnipotence because he transcends everything. In fact, since a lot of verses have Infinite Universes, that would mean any character that transcends those infinite universes is Tier 0 cause somewhere in one of those universes a concept exist that is beyond cardinals.

Stuff like this is how No Limit Fallacies start and you get people wanking platonic concepts saying every character is Tier 0 because of some random quote saying "Oh I can destroy everything even concepts" which translates to he can destroy even the concept of Tier 0 and Inaccessible Cardinals despite only every affecting a single finite universe.
 
TRUTH said:
if there is enough supporting evidence, if a character is said by the author to literally (really) transcends everything, would the character get a 0 tier because of math because it transcends concepts like beth numbers, cardinals, alephs, true coordinate?

(no exaggeration).

sorry for my english 😕
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well nope, because transcends everything without context is NLF.
 
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