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Well, some interest things happened in the last two episodes of Supernatural, and I felt it would be apt to create a thread to discuss them.
So, let's get to it:
Season 13 Episode 16: ScoobyNatural, the one where Sam Winchester gets it on with Velma Dinkley
In case you've been living under a rock,or just genuinely never heard of this, Episode 16 was the Crossover with Scooby-Doo, where Sam and Dean get sucked into a television and transported to an episode of the cartoon. It's real, and it's unironically one of the best episodes of the show.
It is also 100% canon, so please don't instantly dismiss it just because it is a Crossover. We have to be more analytical about this. Scooby-Doo wasn't revealed to be a parallel reality in the Scooby-Doo universe, instead they were literally transported to the reality of a cartoon.
Which is very much in-line with stuff like Gabriel creating TV Land, which replicates the realities of over 500 TV Shows, and Balthazar sending Sam and Dean to a universe where they are actors and their whole life is just a TV Show called Supernatural.
But how does this episode even happen, exactly? Well, without spoiling much of the episode, they are transported into the cartoon world by a Ghost Child who possesses the television. The Scooby-Doo world is clearly a cartoon, with both Sam and Dean realizing that they and everything else are animated, and the world has functions under Toonforce Logic and Physics, where nobody but Sam and Dean bats an eye at a talking dog, people can extend their mouths to bite on ten sandwiches at once, and people's faces contort into the shape of hands when they get slapped, and you can fall down from a building and take no damage.
This all changes with the presence of the Ghost Kid. See, unlike everything else in the Scooby-Doo universe, he's actually real, and the cartoon world was changed accordingly to that. At first Sam and Dean see no difference between what they're seeing and a regular Scooby-Doo episode, but over time it becomes increasingly obvious that things are just wrong.
Some examples include:
Superma Castiel saves both Scooby and Shaggy and shows the ability to float.
As for the Ghost Kid's power, I'm not sure how to quantify it properly. It is either some form of passive Reality Warping or Plot Manipulation. Would probably scale to some angels or Archangels, maybe, as Sam and Dean immediately compare they being transported to the cartoon world to the stuff that Gabriel and Balthazar have done in the past.
Now for the second episode.
Episode 17: The Thing, The one where the writers insert their Cthulhu Mythos OCs into the show
Okay, so this one is simultaneously simpler and more complicated to explain. On one hand, there's no metafiction or 4th Wall break to explain, and it is just a normal episode of the series. On the other hands, the implications that this brings to the Supernatural Multiverse are... Something to consider.
Basically, the plot of the episode deals with a Men of Letters group from the 1920s who went insane and wished to "cleanse the world of hate and bring a new paradise" by summoning the eldritch gods Yokoth and Glythur from their home universe. They managed to have a woman be the vessel for Yokoth, but she was sealed by other members of the Men of Letters, until Sam and Dean accidentally freed her up again.
The incarnated Yokoth captures Dean decides to use his body as a vessel to summon Glythur into this universe, and while doing so she explains her motivations to him: Turns out that their home universe has been mostly consumed by Glythur and her, and that they are looking for a new one to serve as food. She also refers to herself as "The Ravager of Galaxies", which gives an idea to the scale of her and Glythur's powers.
Luckily, she stopped at the very last time, and banished through the usage of the Seal of Solomon which closes the rift between the two universes.
So yeah...
Also, while this is going on the overarching plot of the season is progressing. It turns out that Gabriel is alive after all, he only faked his death in Season 5. Then he got captured by the Prince of Hell Asmodeus, who's imprisoned him and been stealing his grace and using it as a drug to increase his powers. Which explains why he's so powerful, even for a Prince of Hell.
And at the end of the episode the Winchesters manage to finish the ritual to open a portal to the Apocalypse Universe where Mary and Jack are. The aforementioned Seal of Solomon is used in it, but it isn't enough to do it alone, and some of Gabriel's stolen grace as well as other items are used in the rituals.
Which potentially opens a whole can of worms I don't wanna touch.
Well, some interest things happened in the last two episodes of Supernatural, and I felt it would be apt to create a thread to discuss them.
So, let's get to it:
Season 13 Episode 16: ScoobyNatural, the one where Sam Winchester gets it on with Velma Dinkley
In case you've been living under a rock,
It is also 100% canon, so please don't instantly dismiss it just because it is a Crossover. We have to be more analytical about this. Scooby-Doo wasn't revealed to be a parallel reality in the Scooby-Doo universe, instead they were literally transported to the reality of a cartoon.
Which is very much in-line with stuff like Gabriel creating TV Land, which replicates the realities of over 500 TV Shows, and Balthazar sending Sam and Dean to a universe where they are actors and their whole life is just a TV Show called Supernatural.
But how does this episode even happen, exactly? Well, without spoiling much of the episode, they are transported into the cartoon world by a Ghost Child who possesses the television. The Scooby-Doo world is clearly a cartoon, with both Sam and Dean realizing that they and everything else are animated, and the world has functions under Toonforce Logic and Physics, where nobody but Sam and Dean bats an eye at a talking dog, people can extend their mouths to bite on ten sandwiches at once, and people's faces contort into the shape of hands when they get slapped, and you can fall down from a building and take no damage.
This all changes with the presence of the Ghost Kid. See, unlike everything else in the Scooby-Doo universe, he's actually real, and the cartoon world was changed accordingly to that. At first Sam and Dean see no difference between what they're seeing and a regular Scooby-Doo episode, but over time it becomes increasingly obvious that things are just wrong.
Some examples include:
- Fred explicitly mentioning that a character died of cancer
- Fred breaking his nose and bleeding when falling on the ground
- Shaggy breaking his arm when falling off a mansion's second floor, which shocks him as he's survived much worse with no injury
- Velma lusting over Sam
- Dean swearing, which is blurted out by censorship
- Oh, and the Ghost Kid brutally murdering his victims through dismembering and decapitation
As for the Ghost Kid's power, I'm not sure how to quantify it properly. It is either some form of passive Reality Warping or Plot Manipulation. Would probably scale to some angels or Archangels, maybe, as Sam and Dean immediately compare they being transported to the cartoon world to the stuff that Gabriel and Balthazar have done in the past.
Now for the second episode.
Episode 17: The Thing, The one where the writers insert their Cthulhu Mythos OCs into the show
Okay, so this one is simultaneously simpler and more complicated to explain. On one hand, there's no metafiction or 4th Wall break to explain, and it is just a normal episode of the series. On the other hands, the implications that this brings to the Supernatural Multiverse are... Something to consider.
Basically, the plot of the episode deals with a Men of Letters group from the 1920s who went insane and wished to "cleanse the world of hate and bring a new paradise" by summoning the eldritch gods Yokoth and Glythur from their home universe. They managed to have a woman be the vessel for Yokoth, but she was sealed by other members of the Men of Letters, until Sam and Dean accidentally freed her up again.
The incarnated Yokoth captures Dean decides to use his body as a vessel to summon Glythur into this universe, and while doing so she explains her motivations to him: Turns out that their home universe has been mostly consumed by Glythur and her, and that they are looking for a new one to serve as food. She also refers to herself as "The Ravager of Galaxies", which gives an idea to the scale of her and Glythur's powers.
Luckily, she stopped at the very last time, and banished through the usage of the Seal of Solomon which closes the rift between the two universes.
So yeah...
Also, while this is going on the overarching plot of the season is progressing. It turns out that Gabriel is alive after all, he only faked his death in Season 5. Then he got captured by the Prince of Hell Asmodeus, who's imprisoned him and been stealing his grace and using it as a drug to increase his powers. Which explains why he's so powerful, even for a Prince of Hell.
And at the end of the episode the Winchesters manage to finish the ritual to open a portal to the Apocalypse Universe where Mary and Jack are. The aforementioned Seal of Solomon is used in it, but it isn't enough to do it alone, and some of Gabriel's stolen grace as well as other items are used in the rituals.
Which potentially opens a whole can of worms I don't wanna touch.
