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Superman vs. Thor
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Doesn't Thor already have a win against a more powerful Superman?
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@Theglassman that's also a significantly more powerful version of Thor.
Pretty sure Superman has AP here. By a significant margin. Withholding vote for now.
Pretty sure Superman has AP here. By a significant margin. Withholding vote for now.
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Thor has better hax but Superman has better AP. I'm going to wait and see what others have to say first.
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^Thor actually has greater AP
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Proof?Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
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Thor is weaker but Supes is less haxy.
Still, I'm gonna give it to Superman for using his hax more often in-character
Still, I'm gonna give it to Superman for using his hax more often in-character
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^Thor is not weaker...if the nf would allow us to view the calcs then I'd prove it....
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And supes has little to no hax in his arsenal
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The last calcs I was aware of had Thor around 6 Foe and Flash through IMP over 500 foe and Superman scales tor. If these are wrong, by all means correct me or bring proof from elsewhere.
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iirc Matt found a calc that puts Thor in the TeraFoe range
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Oh really now? Thats a game changer. Have a link for me?
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Not on me no, you'd have to ask Matt about it, he brought it up in chat
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Gonna be withholding my vote until calc goes through then. That's pretty neat though. Seeing Thor at that would be awesome.
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Wouldn't that be an outlier since that would put him above Sentry and WB Hulk?
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That also a possibility. Still best to wait for calc and context.BruceTheBatman said:
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I am now leaning toward the Thor feat being an Outlier or PIS. Not only does itnplace him far above Sentry and World Breaker, if it's the feat from the other thread, it involved multiple characters, one of which should have been capable of it on his own.
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I'm going with Superman for actually using his hax more often in character than Thor, but we'll see how this developes
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Superman doesn't have any hax.......BruceTheBatman said:
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Phasing and heat vision qualify
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And if someone can access the calcs on thors page, that would be great
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How does his heat vision qualify as hax?
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Supes has only used phasing aganist physical attacks, i have yet to see him phase through a energy based attack and supes heat vision isn't a hax, it's just extremly efficentBruceTheBatman said:
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Can't heat vision like, cut up molecular bonds or something? Or am I misremembering what Matt said?
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.............no, the only hax like thing i've seen the heat vision do is lobotomize someone's brain from the outside without a cut or anythingBruceTheBatman said:
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KK, sorry
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Superman wouldn't use phasing against an opponent in character anyway, or labotomize anyone either. Closest thing I can think of is when he vibrated his arm at Superspeed to destroy Cyborg Superman's body. Which he wouldn't do to Thor.
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The terafoe feat isn't reliable because he performed it along with Iron Man, Silver Surfer and Doctor Strange, the latter of which massively dwarfs the other two and Thor in power, making scaling dubious.
-Thor can negate intangibility, it's not giving supes any advantages in this
-Thor is ~6 kilofoe according to his two mjolnirs calc linked in his profile, super man is listed as ~500 foe in comparison
-Heat vision can be reflected back to supes, invisible lobotamization isn't going to go unnoticed given Thor can detect energy.
-Thor's powers just give him more versatility, while most of his hax can be resisted by supes it's not like he can completely ignore it, stack them up and they become a major inconvenience.
Thor should take this.
-Thor can negate intangibility, it's not giving supes any advantages in this
-Thor is ~6 kilofoe according to his two mjolnirs calc linked in his profile, super man is listed as ~500 foe in comparison
-Heat vision can be reflected back to supes, invisible lobotamization isn't going to go unnoticed given Thor can detect energy.
-Thor's powers just give him more versatility, while most of his hax can be resisted by supes it's not like he can completely ignore it, stack them up and they become a major inconvenience.
Thor should take this.
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Superman is 615.9 KiloFOE.
His strength massively dwarfs Thor's.
His strength massively dwarfs Thor's.
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uh? where are you getting that from?
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Scaling from Flash's Infinite Mass Punch.
By the time Thor detected a lobotomy he's be brain dead, not that it matters, Superman wouldn't do that to a guy like Thor in character.
Phasing would help against some physical attacks, but Thor can get around that.
Superman has reistances to Thor's better had, but Thor being magic based makes things harder for Superman (though to what extent is very debatable)
Superman could probably one shot Thor with a serious punch, but again, that's not something he is likely to do off the bat in character.
I'm still undecided here.
By the time Thor detected a lobotomy he's be brain dead, not that it matters, Superman wouldn't do that to a guy like Thor in character.
Phasing would help against some physical attacks, but Thor can get around that.
Superman has reistances to Thor's better had, but Thor being magic based makes things harder for Superman (though to what extent is very debatable)
Superman could probably one shot Thor with a serious punch, but again, that's not something he is likely to do off the bat in character.
I'm still undecided here.
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The same calc also uses an aternate method for it and it yields ~ 1 kilofoe.
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@Aguila. The accepted one as far was I'm aware is the higher one. Not able to tell you why, that is just my understanding on this site.
I also agree with Newendigo. Inconclusive seems to be where I'm at.
I also agree with Newendigo. Inconclusive seems to be where I'm at.
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I personally disagree with Flash's IMP calc being used at the high end since he's far stronger than Superman calc wise with that, who's consistently portrayed as physically stronger afaik.
Going with inconclusive if it is, Thor via hax if not I guess
Going with inconclusive if it is, Thor via hax if not I guess
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That doesn't contradict anything it just means superman scales
