Superman (Post-Crisis) vs Thor (Marvel Comics)

[Deymoc13]

Superman (Post-Crisis) vs Thor (Marvel Comics)

Both 3-C
Speed equalized
Attacks and abilities higher than 3-C tier were restricted.

Man of Steel: Brahmatman, Deymoc13,
God of Thunder: Maverick_Zero_X, Minos_the_Judge, TaiwaneseScaler, Accelerated_Evolution, Robo432343, Excel616, Ultraniggus, NaturalDestroyer
Inconclusive: Emirp sumitpo

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

Thor has more abilities and skills

 

[TaiwaneseScaler]

Thor FRA

 

[koopa3144]

Wow great debat guys
Anyways AP for both?

 

[Brahmatman]

Superman easy

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Thor wins due to his hax like Age, Soul and Mind manipulation, he also has access to all the powers provided by Mjolnir, which means he has Law manipulation, transmutation, BFR and Power Nullification

Thor FRA

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Since magic is one of Supes’ weaknesses this is kinda stompy

 

[Deymoc13]

Bump

 

[Robo432343]

superman doesn't even have the AP advantage
rip

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

superman doesn't even have the AP advantage
rip

Really? Isnt Thor is Base 3-C?

 

[Robo432343]

Really? Isnt Thor is Base 3-C?

thor is 63 zettafoe
superman is like 56-57 zettafoe

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

thor is 63 zettafoe
superman is like 56-57 zettafoe

Why 63?

 

[Robo432343]

Why 63?

Marvel Comics - Thor shakes the stars

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[Emirp sumitpo]

Superman has a good scaling chain above his 3-C, so they'd be relatively even in AP for the most part.

 

[Excellence616]

Thor wins due to his hax like Age, Soul and Mind manipulation, he also has access to all the powers provided by Mjolnir, which means he has Law manipulation, transmutation, BFR and Power Nullification

Since magic is one of Supes’ weaknesses this is kinda stompy

Thor FRA

 

[Armorchompy]

I doubt either of them would resort to lethal hax, even with SBA if the other fights honorably I think they would do the same, and without intention to kill too.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I doubt Superman is gonna force Thor to use hax

 

[Armorchompy]

I think this is mostly going to be a slugfest with some non-lethal/crippling hax thrown in tbh.

 

[Deymoc13]

Bump

 

[Ultraniggus]

Thor FRA

 

[Bastolan27]

Since magic is one of Supes’ weaknesses this is kinda stompy

Not a weakness

 

[Bastolan27]

Thor's page is so lacking; it doesn't even state to which he scales.

Marvel Comics - Shaking the Universe

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If it's 3-C, this is a stomp in AP. Aren't stomps like this supposed to be closed? The difference, depending on which calc is correct, is from 40-something zettafoe to IDK how many YottaFoe.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Not a weakness

Weaknesses: Kryptonite (various varieties, all with different effects on him), red stellar radiation (absorbing it instead of yellow stellar radiation will cause him to lose his powers), and magic. He will put himself in harm's way to protect innocents.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

it doesn't even state to which he scales

Magnitude 4 is the standard

 

[Bastolan27]

Magnitude 4 is the standard

But that would make it 4-A, not 3-C. Why is it listed as 3-C in his profile?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But that would make it 4-A, not 3-C. Why is it listed as 3-C in his profile?

It's a supporting feat

 

[Bastolan27]

Someone needs to fix that profile. He has never been weak to magic only susceptible. He should have the same Weaknesses as the rebirth.

Weaknesses: Kryptonite (various varieties), he is entirely dependent on the Stellar Radiation of a Yellow Star to sustain his powers (if he's deprived of Sunlight, he slowly loses his powers), the Stellar Radiation of a red star (weakens him due to red Stellar Radiation having less energy than that of a yellow or blue star), Magic (susceptible to it instead of weak against it, since he resisted a magical blast which could destroy a planet to some extent), he cannot see through lead.

 

[Bastolan27]

It's a supporting feat

So there's no number for the stat?

Attack Potency: Galaxy level normally (It is hinted that he shook the universe as a side effect of the launch of Mjolnir. Slightly dented the Silver Surfer's forehead with a headbutt, and Loki commented that Thor has greater strength than the Surfer while fighting a serious Norrin),

and surfer has

Galaxy level (Being furious, he was able to create a black hole encompassing a large part of the Andromeda galaxy by using his cosmic energy discharges. When Doctor Doom stole the Silver Surfer's powers, he mentioned that this cosmic energy could destroy a galaxy. Broke through vibranium walls)

There are no specified statistic values, so we have no way of knowing who has the advantage in Attack Potency (AP) within this tier.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Thor FRA

 

[koopa3144]

Superman is about to undergo some revisions so we should probably hold off on using him until their finished.

 

[Eseseso]

1. Thor FRA

2. Superman isn't weak to magic, it just negates his passive bio electric aura so he has to rely on his raw durability.

 

[Bastolan27]

So there's no number for the stat?

and surfer has

There are no specified statistic values, so we have no way of knowing who has the advantage in Attack Potency (AP) within this tier.

So, nobody can tell me to what Thor scales and why?

 

[TauanVictor]

Thor FRA

 

[Excellence616]

So, nobody can tell me to what Thor scales and why?

Marvel Comics - Thor shakes the stars

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[Bastolan27]

That should be added to his profile.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

That should be added to his profile.

honestly, yeah, someone should ask to a Staff

 

[Excellence616]

honestly, yeah, someone should ask to a Staff

Heralds has 3 3-C calcs they scale to.The 3 are above DC Heralds 3-C.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I do want to preface that even if Superman is susceptible to magic, even beings on or above his level have found themselves on the back-foot when confronted with the Man of Steel.
It's an edge, but not a tremendous one.

 

[Armorchompy]

I would honestly consider Superman's weakness to magic less of a weakness and more of a lack of resistance- he's the man of steel, so you'd expect him to be invulnerable to everything, but that doesn't make him immune to hax, which is why he's considered "weak" to them. But on the other hand, magic attacks don't really do more damage to him. Although this does change between writers a lot, sometimes anything magic is just super-effective damage.