Superman (Pre-Crisis)

[Jagged85]

Superman (Pre-Crisis) currently states: "Pushed himself towards the center of the Big Bang, and destroyed a structure that had withstood the event." However, the structure could not have withstood the event, since that would suggest the structure existed before the Big Bang, before the beginning of time. The scans only show the structure existing after the Big Bang, suggesting that the structure was created at the point of the Big Bang, the beginning of time, not that it existed before the Big Bang. So the statement that he "destroyed a structure that had withstood the event" cannot hold true. In addition, as Antvasima pointed out in Talk:Superman (Pre-Crisis), he "withstood an extremely small and dispersed part of the big bang, not the entirety." This would point to his feat being multi-galaxy level, which is what it was previously listed as, up until it was upgraded a couple of months ago.

 

[DontTalk]

a) Existing before the big bang is possible in fiction. For example Galactus and Ajimu Najimi did so to my knowledge. Then again I don't see why it matters, for all we know the machine time traveled there, it was stated to have been build at another place in another time after all.

b) The structure is explicitely stated to harness the power of the big bang, so it logically existed during the big bang.

c) it is explicitely stated to exist during the beginning of time, which is either particulary the big bang or something before it.

d) We actually in the comic see it in the explosion that is supposed to depict the big bang.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am currently also leaning towards keeping the 3-A rating.

 

[Jagged85]

While it is possible in other fiction, the comic explicitly refers to the Big Bang as the beginning of time, implying that the structure couldn't have existed before the Big Bang.

The Big Bang is a creation event, not a destruction event. It's more likely that the pyramid was created by the Big Bang itself, along with the rest of the universe.

Are there any scans suggesting that the pyramid was created at any other point in time? Because I can't find any such suggestion from the posted scans.

 

[DontTalk]

It would help to know what happened in that story exactly, but this scan it says: "The Man of Steel screams as Barrier after Barrier gives way, as machinery built in another time and place pulses with energy all around him".

So it states it right there (and I would think if we knew what the story as a whole is about it would comfirm that even further).

Not to mention that the big bang creating a machine that absorbs power from the big bang is kinda unlikely.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

3-A at his peak is a good rating for pre-crisis superman, i dont see why it should be changed unless some new information or a completely new argument is brought into light

 

[Jagged85]

The quote could be referring to Superman himself being in another time and place. An earlier scan says the pyramid wasn't created by the villain, but he's only attempting to harness the pyramid already present at the beginning of time.

Since the Big Bang was the creation of the universe and the beginning of time, it's likely that it also created the pyramid present at the beginning of time. It appears that the pyramid was one of the products created by the Big Bang, rather than an external object that withstood it.