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Super Sonic 4-A Return Continued

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It's actually a misconception that negative chaos energy is only tier 5 otherwise Solaris & Egg Salamander would be only tier 5.
 
If Megabug's feat was Low 2-C it would be Low 2-C. The feat is not Low 2-C, so it's not Low 2-C. If it's feat was Low 2-C, then it would just be considered an outlier, not changed to unknown.

If Dimentio was Low 2-C he would be Low 2-C. Make a CRT, don't discuss it here. Let's see where your influence gets you there.

Bending Dimentions is hugely vague and not applicable to anything. On what other thread? You're assuming dimention always means universe. By your logic Sonic would have gotten 2-B. You can't warp the definitions to your own benifit.

"The only one ignoring information or being biased is you."

Who the hell retired and made you an admin? You use Straw Man Fallacy, more then anyone else I've seen on this entire site.

Mario fought SD and CB with the Pure Heats. So no, it's not more concrete. You're trying to say we're scaling someone directly, while in reality we're scaling because Eggman's strongest robots he made to actually fight things should be stronger then a random laser cannon that he made in a week.

No. Bowser's intelligence and ability to create machines varies. In some games he's pretty smart. In most games he's a bumbling idiot. Eggman is consistantly considered a genius and his intelligence and ability to create machines dosn't vary from game to game like Bowser's.

Dreams in Mario are universes. Dimentions =/= Dreams. Bending Dimentions isn't the same as bending dreams.

Mario had a Luma helping him throught all of both Galaxy games. Lumas have more or less the same feats as Power Stars of potentially being able to become galaxies. The Grand Stars are far superior to any power star and we only see Grand Stars do anything twice. Powering spaceships and the Low 2-C feat.
 
Actually, Carson outright does say he Dimentio wrote the Dark Prognosticus. The same book that creates Chaos Heart. And by that logic, Chaos Emeralds or Overlord being above Final Egg Blaster is a bigger fan theory. He said it was probably an obscure NPC statement, which it is. Hadou told me about it and had a link in one of his blogs. Dimension D was stated to be "The 12th Dimension" in the game and that it "Transcends the other dimensions". Both hyperboles but still nothing against Tier 2. Other Ancient tribe members have their own Tier 2 feats also. Hadou had a link in the blog but I heavily disagree with the Tier 1 crap as well.

Sonic defeating void is 1 outlier Vs 3 outliers on Mario's case. They're both outliers, but it's still a note. I said not to make comparisons in the thread because far too many were being made and came from falsely premised backgrounds, not just because they're different franchises. I'm comparing them using premises that are actually parallel; which is the game changer.

I also said I was trying to avoid making a Mario Vs Sonic debate, but again. Far too many people are pushing for the Fan Service > Accuracy debate that Matt and Cal said on other threads. So it's not my fault this happens.

@Smashor, before Mario used Pure Hearts, they were initially able to take hits from the Super forms/Chaos Hearts. I'm not at all arguing for 2-B base Mario, but it's literally the same logic being here to push for 4-A or other Sonic upgrades.

It was already discussed why 2-B Mario has concrete reasoning while Sonic simply has a what if. So permanently drop the MaginaryWorld Vs Dream Depot comparison. And dimensions are universes actully; so Merloo's feat is legit. And the reason Base Dimentio is unknown is because he could be anywhere between Low 2-C and 2-B.
 
@DDM They were just asking why you keep making Mario comparisons. Saying you do because you believe they are wrong and they had it coming, doesn't make that much sense.
 
Well if he had the link then why don't you show it to us, oh omnipotent admin?

Also you're doing Straw Man Fallacy again. Not a single f***ing soul is pushing for Fan Service > Accuracy. Their pushing against your opinion on what accuracy is.
 
This thread has become another disaster, I'm un-following since I was never for/against the 4-A upgrade in the first place but it's quite clear the atmosphere here is becoming toxic again and I suspect (even with Dark649's input), this will lead to another thread where emotions will flair and arguments leading to no-where will spawn anew (I no longer have the energy nor patience for these Sonic threads anymore).

Peace out, amigos!.
 
He doesn't, I saw the video, he only theorises his origin based on the fact that he joined Bleck, Dimentio himself didn't know everything about the Dark Prognosticus in the game,everything is simply just pure especulation about him, also gigantic false equivalent, Metal's statment is direct, meanwhile Carson never says that Dimentio is the creator of the Dark Prognosticus, even the comments say so, it is a fan theory, he doesn't say it directely at all

Dimension D is a mini-dimension, Mephistus linked a scan that said it, Dimentio uses plenty of metaphors.

There's only 9 dimensions in Super Paper Mario, and dimensions also are universes in Sonic as well

Actualy there's more than one that I said in my previous comment.

You are literaly doing that, you are making comparisons from falsely premised background, they are not paralels at all, let's discuss about Sonic, if you believe all of that them make a thread about them, let's drop the comparassions since they are completely irrelevant to the discussion, it makes you sound salty that Mario doesn't get that but Sonic does

We are not doing fan service, at all, tier 2 already exists, and we are pushing for possible, not even straight up 4-A, which would be something that's fan service
 
Doesn't their also exist another 4-A feat in SATSR with Ifrit Golem being stated to be able to burn the pages of the Arabian Nights with it being stated that the pages make up the Arabian Nights world and the Arabian Nights world contains multiple stars (though I'm unsure if Super Forms would scale to it due to obvious not appearing in Secret Rings reasons)
 
Mephiles is literally Solaris' mind.

Mephiles wanted to destroy everything just for the sake of doing so, and he was very determined about it: he tried to deceive Shadow multiple times, he made a fool of Silver and Blaze, the way he fights are brutal, and once he killed Sonic, he busted out laughing both because he was re-becoming Solaris and because of Elise's reaction.

Iblis, while not malicious, is still a freaking world-ending kaiju that killed billions.

Heck, the entire reason that Solaris was split is that once, hey lost control over him and he started f*cking everything up, just like he did once he was re-born.

So no, saying that he isn't evil is flat out wrong.
 
Why is something that's stated to be infinite in other cases like Mario's dimensions of the World of Void accepted so willy nilly,yet something like Null Space is like "nah,dog.we cant accept such hyperboles 'cause Sanic" there's bias here against the verse,plain & simple.
 
So the difference between the negative and positive energy of the emeralds is just an excuse for both the bad and good guys to use them?
 
Let's drop all of this off-topic BS like Mario comparassions or if Solaris is evil or not and talk about the subject that is 4-A super forms please? Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray are already edited since a few days, could someone unlock the remaining profiles please?
 
Wasn't the reason Solaris got split up because Duke Mcooc wanted to use its power to see his wife again so Solaris was like "no" and rebelled
 
The Smashor said:
The emeralds were just to fuse Mephiles and Iblis. Solaris isn't powered by them.
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Yeah he is actually.

The Duke was going to use the Emeralds to turn Solaris into a god when he used to be just a tiny flame. You even see him giving an Emerald to Silver so that he could use it to seal Iblis inside of Elise after the project ended in disaster.
 
Theuser789 said:
Let's drop all of this off-topic BS like Mario comparassions or if Solaris is evil or not and talk about the subject that is 4-A super forms please? Tails, Knuckles, Mighty and Ray are already edited since a few days, could someone unlock the remaining profiles please?
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@TheUser, this is also all false. Merloo has his own Tier 2 feats that Dimentio is implied to be comparable too. There's far more than 9, you only get to enter 9, but that doesn't mean there's only 9. It's the same thing as saying there are only 2 Universes in Sonic Rush or 3 in Sonic 2006 or 5 in Shuffle. There are countless dimensions in Super Paper Mario with each and every dimension being devoured being stated to be devoured every minute as stated by the Sammer guys. Not every dimension was confirmed to be Universes, the ones in Rush and 2006, are, but none of the Dreams. In mario Dreams and Dimensions are both Universes. Mario himself has been shown to be just as strong and fast as other Lumas in other Mario games and without a Luma by his said.

Mario still has more Tier 3/2 feats than Sonic does. Mario has more than 20 if Outliers/PIS are included and 20 alone are without major power ups. Sonic has a total of 6 Tier 2 if you included all forms. But ones an outlier because base and required help from Lumina Flow, one's exclusive to Darkspine, so 4 left for Super Sonic, but 2 are considered PIS as what's being discussed by Everlasting offsite. Anyway, last Mario comparison and I have permission to hakai a future posts discussing it.

Anyway, Ifrit Golem only at best "feat" from primal Ifrit's High 6-A statement, but let's not discuss that please if they're already 5-B for now. Anyway, Dark649 is going to share his thoughts and let's keep the focus on potential 4-A Egg Blaster. I still think it's best to no have anyone be 4-A but as said above, only fine with Overlord and Super forms of good guys having the possibly 4-A. But For Sonic, Shadow, and Silver, 4-A would be covered with 5-A to 2-C.
 
By your logic we can use 3-A Super Forms. That's not how varies works. We need to include the tier in order for it to be used. The rules of this website say as much.
 
I was talking about the Ifrit from Sonic and the secret rings:https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Ifrit_Golem Here's a post explaing it in detail:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2882052

That statment about every time the Void grows a universe is destroyed was already debunked by Dino in the other thread, stop using it, Mario is 2-B via the Dream depot just that

Yeah let's hopefully stop with the Mario comparassions, they are off topic, though dimensions are universes in every Sonic game including Shuffle, just because this place doesn't believe on it doesn't mean that It is the truth, in my opinion the dreams are universes and that's just as valid as your opinion

There's more than six outliers here:"Sonic defeated Void and survived attacks from the Time Eater, Blaze tanked a attack from the Egg Salamender in base and Marine knocked out the Egg Wizard with a energy blast, Sonic defeated Erazor who had absorved over half of the Arabians Nights and the Ifrit Golem who was going to burn half of the Arabians Nights, if we play that game of high tier feats then Sonic would also have plenty of tier 2 feats in base, there's also a emerald repeling the Time Eater ,so Mario doesn't have more tier 2 feats than Sonic", here there's already eight tier 2 feats plus 5 that are acepted, making it 13 tier 2 feats, and if se use the Time Eater being repeled by a emerald then that would make every time Sonic defeated a enemy with a emerald it would be a tier 2 feat if we play that game

But if you are fine can you unlock the profiles please?
 
I prefer to let Dark649 come back, it sounds like he has a lot to say. He might have changed his mind or he might have yet more info for something else. But it is best to wait for him before changing anything.
 
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