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I have a blog for it but its not updated with the Grade 3 multiplierPlease also ignore Omen as I was unaware of the Super Scaling (which we need a blog for)
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I have a blog for it but its not updated with the Grade 3 multiplierPlease also ignore Omen as I was unaware of the Super Scaling (which we need a blog for)
You're punching air at this pointIt’s ultimately related to the topic at hand.
You cannot establish a static SSG multiplier off potara because its shown to perform inconsistently against it.
BoG Goku assumed a fusion between an SS2 and SS3 wouldn’t be enough to measure up to a held back Beerus which SSG did.
ToP Goku struggled in SSG against a potara base fusion of two characters who are relative in power to his current SS2.
Just because the power levels are higher in the ToP it doesn’t change the fact that the power ratios between forms are the same.
Has bro not been reading our comments… potara‘s multiplier is dependent on the user it’s A*B and we can safely say at that pointIt’s ultimately related to the topic at hand.
You cannot establish a static SSG multiplier off potara because its shown to perform inconsistently against it.
BoG Goku assumed a fusion between an SS2 and SS3 wouldn’t be enough to measure up to a held back Beerus which SSG did.
ToP Goku struggled in SSG against a potara base fusion of two characters who are relative in power to his current SS2.
Just because the power levels are higher in the ToP it doesn’t change the fact that the power ratios between forms are the same.
Daizenshuu says otherwise so base Vegito>ssj3 gokuIf we are gonna start arguing that Base Vegito isn't above SSJ3 Goku then I genuinely have lost hope for humanity.
UI is so stupidly broken like what the **** bro just stacked an bigger than SSB multiplier over SSB and this is not even taking in account that DBSB Goku is also > ToP GokuBecause they're reliant on Beerus scaling and Gogeta Blue is stronger than Broly who is about equal with Beerus meanwhile UIO Goku is an entire effortless one-shot above Beerus due to scaling to Jiren whose ki blast would've easily crushed his own GoD with the sheer force of it
Let's not get too into this because that would be derailing
This is often a point of contention. What did absorbed in to his base mean? There are 2 interpretations. He either absorbed the power into his base or the form. There is the power logic and it is now his new base (as if he is stacking the power) but there’s also the logic that he has absorbed the form into his base also known as the SBG form. This probably shouldn’t be discussed in this thread though.I am also siding neutral here.
honestly, SSG multiplier being the same after the ritual feels odd. Goku absorbed the SSG power into his base, for it then to STILL have that seemingly infinite increase it had in BoG? The initial god increase being 500x500 makes absolute sense, but that's it for me. SSG doesn't feel like as an exaggerated multiplier over SSJ3 in the ToP like it did in BoG but that's just my opinion.
UIO+MUI multiplier makes sense from what I can see but it at least being x20 SSB as a lowball still works
I feel the sameI personally think that a fusion's base form is going to be always stronger than the fusee's strongest form. This is shown everytime a fusion appears in the show.
Base Gogeta > SSB Goku
Base Kefla > SS Berserk Kale
Base Gotenks > SS Trunks
It is also stated in the Daizenshuu that Vegito surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Goku didn't even consider using it against Beerus, but he thinks he stood a chance with SSG.
SSG Goku > SS3 Vegito > SS2 Vegito > SS 3G Vegito (10x)> SS 2G Vegito > SS Vegito (50x)> Base Vegito > SS3 Goku > SS2 Goku > SS 3G Goku (10x)> SS 2G Goku > SS Goku (50x)> Base Goku
Bare minimum that would be a 500 times 500 multiplier for SSG. Which would be 250000x.
Contrarians being wrong as usual.Been like 20 years and DMs still arguing whether or not Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Goku? Like be fr, why tf would they say he can transform after the fact if only the transformed state was stronger? They would mention he can transform and they mention that while in that state he is stronger. This is also backed up by Vegito being stronger than Goku in the anime. Please stop.
lets just not ******* forget that in the super manga Base Vegito outperformed Complete SSB Goku which further proves base fusion >>>>> fusees' accessible full power (SSJ for the kids in DBZ, SSJ3 for Goku in Z and SSB for Goku in Super plus Base Kefla>>> Berserker Kale) i don't know how this is a debate.
How did you miss the entire crt?I am also siding neutral here.
honestly, SSG multiplier being the same after the ritual feels odd. Goku absorbed the SSG power into his base, for it then to STILL have that seemingly infinite increase it had in BoG? The initial god increase being 500x500 makes absolute sense, but that's it for me. SSG doesn't feel like as an exaggerated multiplier over SSJ3 in the ToP like it did in BoG but that's just my opinion.
UIO+MUI multiplier makes sense from what I can see but it at least being x20 SSB as a lowball still works
wtf but that's just what I saidHow did you miss the entire crt?
we’ve explained this countless times fusion is A*B THAT JUST MEANS Goku’s strength x Vegeta’s strength is above the multiplier of SSJB while that wasn’t the case Pre ritual
oh so the proposal is not a fixied fusion multiplier? change me to agree thenVegito's Post Ritual Multiplier (SSJG max power) > Vegito Pre Ritual Multiplier (SSJ3 max power)
SSJG at it's initial form with no boost scales above Pre Ritual Vegito
oh so the proposal is not a fixied fusion multiplier? change me to agree then
Why did it take
so many of you
so long
to realize this?
You said SSG ritual being the same after the ritual is weird when it should logically be the same we just don’t know the multiplier but we can apply a lowball that isn’t a fixed multiplier similar to SSJB if you said fusion isn’t the same then you would’ve been right becausewtf but that's just what I said
… I’m glad you realize now but this is a bruh momentoh so the proposal is not a fixied fusion multiplier? change me to agree then
you know what they say "db fans can't read"
How did you miss the entire crt?
we’ve explained this countless times fusion is A*B THAT JUST MEANS Goku’s strength x Vegeta’s strength is above the multiplier of SSJB while that wasn’t the case Pre ritual
The same would be true if its 2+2x100 that’s 4000 or superior to ssjb. I think we should take Vados statement above any guidebookHave you considered the possibility of the As and Bs in Vados's statement referring to the fusee's peak strength? Not their base form strength?
Base Gogeta is way stronger than SSB Goku. Meaning the fusion multiplier for that specific fusion is larger than the boost provided by SSB. SSB is a bare minimum 2500x multiplier (as what's accepted in the wiki currently). Using Vados's statement, if the statement refers to the fusee's base form being added before multiplied, then Base Gogeta wouldn't even come close to SSB Goku. (1+1x100 = 2000)
But if Vados's statement refers to the fusee's peak strength being added before multiplied for the new base, then it would make sense. (SSB + SSB at least x10 = 20 SSBs)
Why is it 2 instead of 1? Base Goku/Vegeta is 1.The same would be true if its 2+2x100 that’s 4000 or superior to ssjb. I think we should take Vados statement above any guidebook
Bro ain't doin so hot rnOh shit. 1+1x100 is just 200, not 2000. I can't do math + L + Ratio + I'm dumb + I have skill issue + I'm maidenless.
It would be I think. But again, adding the fusees base form then multiplying it tens of times won't make it surpass the fusees strongest form. Only adding the fusees's strongest form will.thinking about it now, isn't vados' statement with more credit due to being said in the main cannon itself instead of secondary cannon like guides?
The latter being consistent with the DaizenshuuConclusion: Either Vados's statement is a massive understatement. Or Vados is referring to the fusees peak power being added and then multiplied for the fusion's base form.
She just says Kefla’s power multiplied their power by tens of times which can have different interpretations and we can’t get a good estimate from this many guides have stated it’s A*B even the anime (though it doesn’t matter as much) tens of times doesn’t mean much without additional context there is no formula Vados givesExcept this isn’t how vados explains potara, her formula being explicitly A+B x10s of times individual PL.
you’re all just picking one of the many fusion multipliers we are told through guides and the show itself to fit your narrative without actually addressing why a*b is more valid or even makes a lick of sense.
we can't use A*B due to calc stacking issues, besides, the only guide shown states that vegeto becomes stronger than ssj3 goku, it doesn't give a fixed multiplier, plus it combining the power of the 2 fusses strongest forms and then multiplying also gets this result and still stays consistent with everything elseShe just says Kefla’s power multiplied their power by tens of times which can have different interpretations and we can’t get a good estimate from this many guides have stated it’s A*B
tens of times, so more than 1 ten, aka at least 20x to be conservativeeven the anime (though it doesn’t matter as much) tens of times doesn’t mean much without additional context there is no formula Vados gives
Well assuming SSJG is as strong as Base Vegito which it should be stronger than SSJ Vegito since that's the amount of power he put out in the manga and even SSJ2 Vegito based on the Daizenshuu and the fact that both Vegeta and Goku have a SSJ2.okay then, so it would be:
Base vegeto = SSJ3 goku(at least 500x) + SSJ2 vegeta(at least 500x) * 20(tens of times according to vados, so more than 1 ten) = 500 + 500 * 20 = 20.000x multipliers
which makes SSJB = 1.000.000x multiplier
AxB we can't do due to calc stacking, since their ap come from calculations in their pre BoGs momentThe main takeaway here is that fusion is always stronger than the fusees's strongest forms. Everytime a fusion appears on screen this always applies. The fusion boost is either going to be
AxB, meaning the power boost of fusion increases drastically as the fusees's base power increases. For example, let's say Goku and Vegeta fuse into Vegito after growing 100 times stronger.
10 x 10 = 100
1000 x 1000 = 1.000.000
Vegito is now 10000x stronger despite Goku only growing 100x stronger.
OR A + B x tens of times. Which A and B being the fusees's peak power. I've already made the examples in my previous post.
yeah, i did that, goku's ssj3 power + vegeta's ssj2 power * tens of times, or 20x to be conservativeWell assuming SSJG is as strong as Base Vegito which it should be stronger than SSJ Vegito since that's the amount of power he put out in the manga and even SSJ2 Vegito based on the Daizenshuu and the fact that both Vegeta and Goku have a SSJ2.