Super Baby Vegeta vs MUI Goku

[HyperZero95]

Baby Vegeta

VS

MUI Goku


Final Form Baby Vegeta.

TOP Arc MUI Goku.

In-character.

Speed unequalized.

Can Baby's hax and speed make up for the difference in power?

 

[speedster352]

Starting moves?

 

[HyperZero95]

Starting moves?

Whatever they would use in-character.

Edited it to specify they are in-character.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Pretty sure it’s an AP Stomp for Goku since he’s at 6 universes over Baby’s 3

 

[Nierre]

Equalize Stats so it can be more fun

 

[HyperZero95]

Pretty sure it’s an AP Stomp for Goku since he’s at 6 universes over Baby’s 3

Baby has hax on his page that should be able to bypass durability like attacking atoms. I was also wondering who is faster, since I've heard people here saying Baby should blitz. But I wanted confirmation.

 

[HyperZero95]

Equalize Stats so it can be more fun

Was more trying to see if Baby can bypass Goku's greater power through some hax he has on his page and his speed. Since I've heard he would be faster.

 

[speedster352]

Was more trying to see if Baby can bypass Goku's greater power through some hax he has on his page and his speed. Since I've heard he would be faster.

Instant transmission or Mui dodges so not really going to help

 

[HyperZero95]

Instant transmission or Mui dodges so not really going to help

How large do you reckon the speed difference to be? Because I have heard some say GT blitzed and I wanted to confirm if that's true or not.

 

[Mickey1940]

ToP scales to 6 universes while all of GT scales to 3

MUI stomps, this is a massive mismatch

 

[StekFence]

Exactly how fast is baby again?

 

[Mickey1940]

Exactly how fast is baby again?

speed and power in dragon ball are relative

so anyone who is stronger is, in 99% of scenarios, faster, unless they have a specific, stated gimmick

Neither Baby nor Goku have said gimmick

 

[StekFence]

I would have assumed the gt scaling chain is different from supers, considering the op claims he’s faster

 

[SlendVeny]

speed and power in dragon ball are relative

so anyone who is stronger is, in 99% of scenarios, faster, unless they have a specific, stated gimmick

Toeiverse SSJ Goku on Namek was like over a million FTL, this is literally false.

 

[Mickey1940]

Toeiverse SSJ Goku on Namek was like over a million FTL, this is literally false.

because Toeiverse SSJ Goku is borderline 4A

 

[Mickey1940]

Even if Baby was several times faster, he's still infinitely weaker and therefore MUI Goku can just Kiai gg

 

[SlendVeny]

because Toeiverse SSJ Goku is borderline 4A

I said on Namek.

 

[Mickey1940]

I said on Namek.

I know you said on Namek

Namek Saga Toeiverse SSJ Goku is almost 4A

 

[SlendVeny]

I know you said on Namek

Namek Saga Toeiverse SSJ Goku is almost 4A

The profile doesn't even list him as 4-B.

 

[Mickey1940]

The profile doesn't even list him as 4-B.

ah whoops I was looking at Cooler Movie Goku

that's my b

ok speed calcs lemme see

Baby Calc:
Baby massively scales above 4.38 quadrillion FTL
Base Goku = 4.38 quadrillion
GT Goten > SSJ3 Goku > x50 Base Goku
GT Goku > SSJ Gohan > Base Gohan > SSJ Goten > Base Goten > x50 Buu Saga Goku
GT Goku therefore > 125000 Buu Saga Goku
Super Baby 2 < Golden Great Ape Goku
Super Baby 2 < Someone who is > 62500000 Base Goku
so let's just assume that Baby's relative to or above 62500000 times Base Goku
Baby => 2.7375x10^23 FTL

Goku Calc
BoG SSJG/RoF Base Goku = 196 quadrillion FTL
RoF SSGSS Goku = 2500 Base Goku
Post RoSaT SSGSS Goku (assuming SS Rose = regular SSJ) = 125000 Base Goku
Post RoSaT SSGSS Goku (assuming SS Rose = SSGSS) = 6250000 Base Goku
ToP Kaioken x20 SSGSS Goku (Rose = SSJ) = 2500000 Base Goku
ToP Kaioken x20 SSGSS Goku (Rose = SSGSS) = 125000000 Base Goku
Ultra Instinct Omen 1 = literally infinitely above that, idk what to tell you, he skipped multiple infinities

so MUI outspeeds
If we stop at the second last step, then we get 2.45x10^25 FTL
so MUI still outspeeds

Before you say that the GT scale ignores SSJ2 and 3 when factoring in the calculated speeds, Super has that too, PLUS ignores SSJ God, which is massively above the latter 2

Power and speed in DBZ are relative. Idk why you brought up Toeiverse Nameku to try and dispute that. Those with more ki in dragon ball are just faster unless stated otherwise. Why do you think we accept the Kaioken and SSJ multipliers when they are used for speed? Because those transformations buff your ki and by extension every stat. Why is Frieza slower than Cell, who's slower than Buu, and so on? cuz those at the top have more ki and therefore more speed. I don't know how much easier I can explain this.

 

[SlendVeny]

Power and speed in DBZ are relative. Idk why you brought up Toeiverse Nameku to try and dispute that.

Because he's faster than every Canon DBZ character.

 

[speedster352]

How does baby hit Goku with his auto dodge hax?

 

[Mickey1940]

Because he's faster than every Canon DBZ character.

except he's not

 

[SlendVeny]

except he's not

Evidence they're in the millions?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I'm assuming by "canon DBZ character" they mean "every character from the canon versions of the arcs of Z (Saiyan > Namek/Freeza > Android/Cell > Buu), which would be accurate. Toei Goku's Namek speed feat and later afterlife speed feat don't get beat until Super by Beerus and Whis.

With regards to this battle, though, MUI Goku stomps. While Baby might scale massively above Toei Goku's 4 quadrillion c, MUI Goku (from the Super Anime) scales above 196 quadrillion c as his lowball, with possibly over 39 sextillion c as a feat he scales incalcuably above via multipliers.

So while "battle of the Saiyan deuterags, but with white hair" would be a fun meme, Goku both in power and speed eclipses Baby Vegeta here by a metric that would be considered a stomp, at least back when I posted regularly before the forum move.

 

[SlendVeny]

I'm assuming by "canon DBZ character" they mean "every character from the canon versions of the arcs of Z (Saiyan > Namek/Freeza > Android/Cell > Buu), which would be accurate. Toei Goku's Namek speed feat and later afterlife speed feat don't get beat until Super by Beerus and Whis.

Yeah

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Manga Goku is 3 universes the last time i check, but the speed chain is higher

 

[Mickey1940]

Evidence they're in the millions?

oh you said DBZ

not super

yeah that's my bad
but canon Z also scales massively below Toei in every stat including speed

 

[SlendVeny]

oh you said DBZ

not super

yeah that's my bad
but canon Z also scales massively below Toei in every stat including speed

Not really. SP Cell could probably oneshot Toei Namek Goku.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Side tangent before this thread is inevitably closed due to stomp, I wonder how powerful Cell would be if he absorbed either Super 17 or Android 17 from DBSuper...and if absorbing Super 17 would just automatically grant him his Perfect Form since it's technically two androids in one? (and a really powerful one at that)

 

[Mickey1940]

Not really. SP Cell could probably oneshot Toei Namek Goku.

i mean yeah but that still doesn't change my point

It requires the likes of Canon SP Cell to beat Toeiverse Namek saga level characters

 

[SlendVeny]

i mean yeah but that still doesn't change my point

It requires the likes of Canon SP Cell to beat Toeiverse Namek saga level characters

Yes, but SP gets blitzed.

 

[Mickey1940]

Yes, but SP gets blitzed.

apparently his speed is getting revised cuz it was deemed an outlier? I have no idea what's going on there

but assuming there's nothing wrong with it, then yeah he does get blitzed, that's my bad

regardless tho, even if Baby is faster, which he's not, UI Goku can just Kiai gg since that's just an omnidirectional blast that can reach the ends of the universe. Sure Baby can theoretically outrun it but if it touches him at any point he dies, and if he runs too far he BFR's himself or the entire universe just gets destroyed with Baby having no way of escaping it. Baby can't do anything against Goku either except Revenge Death Ball, which Goku can just counter with a Ki Shield with his infinite AP advantage

 

[SlendVeny]

WAIT, I JUST REALIZED! Does Goku not want to hold back so as to not kill Vegeta?

 

[Mickey1940]

WAIT, I JUST REALIZED! Does Goku not want to hold back so as to not kill Vegeta?

Would he even be aware of it?

What's stopping Goku from just chipping his neck or paralyzing/knocking him out with a glare? Those are non-lethal ways he could use to defeat him if necessary, although the speed might be an issue