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I think? It was more of an example for the sake of argument though.Wokistan said:Also isn't goku 3-A in base
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I think? It was more of an example for the sake of argument though.Wokistan said:Also isn't goku 3-A in base
But I really didnt? Unless you meant specifying the tier = specifying the form he starts with. Then nvm.LephyrTheRevanchist said:Thanks for proving my point!ProfessorKukui4Life said:No they don't. People usually just specify 3-A, Low 2-C, or whatever and Goku starts the match out in the form that makes him that tier.
Okay this i'll actually agree with. If the summon brought an insta win, it obviously shouldnt be out before the battling begins for obvious reasons.LephyrTheRevanchist said:I will also add that in SBA, certain accommodations can be made to have the fairest fight.
If the summon needs to be already out to have a fair fight in the first place, this is already granted as per SBA.
However, if the summon provides an instant win and it's fairer to make the summoner actually waste time summoning it, SBA makes it so.
If neither of those scenarios can be met and the opponent wins no matter what, that's a stomp.
You should bother to answer the problems brought up. Any character capable of attacking and movement is fighting capable, be it tier 10, 9 or 7.YungManzi said:I honestly see both sides though.
But overall I agree with Kukui, because I don't see it as a big deal to not have summoners be targeted tbh.
What?YungManzi said:If one has to resort to such tactics, it's probably not a fair fight anyway.
I see it as a problem if they can summon multiple things are once. Typically in a battle like that the strategy would be to stop tghe source of the issue, ie. what is doing the summoning. In that case it becomes an unfair advantage to the summoner.YungManzi said:I honestly see both sides though.
But overall I agree with Kukui, because I don't see it as a big deal to not have summoners be targeted tbh.
That just puts even more rules. Summons are far more like higher tiered attacks or items, since the summoner does not change in tier, which means it's not automatically on.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Okay this i'll actually agree with. If the summon brought an insta win, it obviously shouldnt be out before the battling begins for obvious reasons.
Yup, like I said above battles are not inherently meant to be fair. That being said we should nothand a unfair advantage to one side that they wont have normally.Ricsi-viragosi said:What?
Being underhanded is not grounds for not making a fight. We are not making fights between two honorful knights.
I don't see how it's not fair, it's a tactical decision. The summon can still end up blocking for the summoner.YungManzi said:" he meant that it isn't really important as to whether or not it's a "true win", since people were saying it isn't a "true win" if you have to resort to those tactics. Lotta dudes don't fight fair."
That wasn't my point though, which is where my confusion came in at. I don't mean "fair" in like a storied context, I mean in a meta context.
It's not fair to have a battles where a character can't defeat a summon so they target the summoner.
But your suggestion kinda gives the summoner an unfair advantage, especially if they have multiple summons. As in the original suggestion. I personally think that as said above summons should be specified.ProfessorKukui4Life said:Unfair advantages/disadvantages is what I meant here.
Oh I agree then. Though if you are capable of killing the summoner(an assassin type character for example) then it could still be a fair fight.YungManzi said:@Rocker
I'm talking about it's not fair for the person oppoasing the summoner. If you can't win against a summoner without killing the summoner directly, it's a stomp against you.
Ditto squared.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:The swordsman without any ranged options can be range spammed.
The marksman can get shredded in melee if he sucks there.
The summoner can get ****** over if his summons don't protect him well enough and the opponent is smart enough to aim for them.
Fighting styles have weaknesses. This is common sense, this is how it works. Making everyone play under the same rules isn't "unfair".
This is dumb, to be blunt.
No its not. Its against the summoned.Wokistan said:It's not really a stomp against you once you've killed the summoner, since that's who the fight is against.
But the fight isn't really against the summoner per-se. It's against the summons under the summoner more often than not.Wokistan said:It's not really a stomp against you once you've killed the summoner, since that's who the fight is against.