Strongest One Punch General Discussion Thread v8

[KGiffoni]

Pretty sure Bang was several meters off the ground when Melz attacked him. When you have zero flight capabilities then of course you're going to be knocked back in that scenario.

You're right. I forgot that. But still, the other reasons should be more than enough to give Melzalgald the 7-A AP.

 

[SuperAPM]

Not really. Melz never managed to hit anyone other than Bang who only took negligible damage, we have no idea how much damage he would've done against the rest of them.

 

[Peter1129]

What chapter is it. Viz may have a different wording.

Chapter 32

 

[KGiffoni]

And since when are physical feats the only way to validate stuff like this? We also have Melzalgald stating he would break AS's skull, but i don't think that's good enough, seemed more like villain babbling for me or something; Atomic Samurai and Iaian being worried about Bang, Bang being fazed at the attack, etc.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its the same . Probably either wrong or from the anime.

 

[SuperAPM]

So, should I apply the changes to Geryu's page? Boros would need to be unlocked.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'll apply the changes to Gery, Orochi, GS, and Boros if that's fine. Assuming we didn't get rid of the GS ~ Orochi scaling.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wait nevermind. I didn't know the 6-C changes were applied. So its just those two. Mistake on my part. Feel free to change it and I'll get the Boros profile.

 

[SuperAPM]

That's fine.

 

[KGiffoni]

And since when are physical feats the only way to validate stuff like this? We also have Melzalgald stating he would break AS's skull, but i don't think that's good enough, seemed more like villain babbling for me or something; Atomic Samurai and Iaian being worried about Bang, Bang being fazed at the attack, etc.

And, of course, the most obvious sign is that it actually took some seconds for him to come back to fight, whereas if he had been hit with 7-B AP he would simply have instantly got back to the battlefield.

 

[Peter1129]

Speaking of the 6-C have we decided if Brave Giant should back scale from the Emperor Nova like it used to be?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't really see it backscaling. The exhaust from the beam was enough to melt it and PM was easily able to just shred the thing once he entered his second form.

 

[KGiffoni]

Speaking of the 6-C have we decided if Brave Giant should back scale from the Emperor Nova like it used to be?

I think they decided it shouldn't.

 

[GyroNutz]

That means the ninja bros shouldn't be 6-C either, right?

 

[Peter1129]

I see. Well anyways what happened with Flashy Flash? Weren't we originally going to give him a Possibly 6-C since Phoenix Man was wary of engaging him after seeing the ninjas power?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Flashy Flash may get upgraded later on due to GS scaling if the manga clarifies some things. In my view, while its not the best at the moment since it can lead to issues, we should keep the ratings as is and upgrade them when the manga covers the final fight with the MA. For now though would just adding a "possibly much higher" rating for Flashy Flash based on the PM thing be fine?

 

[Peter1129]

Yeah possibly higher should be fine.

 

[SuperAPM]

Qawsedf234 I can apply that for you now if you'd like?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Sure. Just remember to add this scan in the reasoning

 

[GyroNutz]

Is it alright to upgrade every top tier to Relavitistic+ speed, scaling above Geryu?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well. What's the current list for speed feats in the Rel range

• Tornado/GS/Orochi: Scales to 1.8% lightspeed

• Atomic Samuai if we scale him to the Teresa calc: 7.4% lightspeed

• Flashy Flash/Hellfire Flame/Gale Wind/EoS Sonic: 17% lightspeed

• Geryuganshoop's TK speed (right now): 10% to 50% lightspeed
• Saitama's moon jump: 10%~ lightspeed (anime timeframe) to possibly SoL (if that Murata statement exists)

So in my view I think Rel+ still fits for the following reasons

• Awakened Garou could easily blitz both FF and Atomic Samurai with a 34% to 50% lightspeed rating

• Saitama is basically impossible to really scale to since he heavily dicks around and Garou needed to precog his attacks to even avoid them (which would still be possible if Saitama was in the upper range of the 34% ot 50% lightspeed range)

So currently I think the ratings for the three god tiers is fine as is "At least Rel, likely higher". But if people really want to accept that Gery is 50% lightspeed, then yeah. Saitama, AG, and Unsealed Boros would be Rel+ in all likelihood.

 

[GyroNutz]

If we treat Geryuganshoop's TK speed as 50% SoL, or Rel+, then Saitama and likely Boros should upscale. Saitama said Geryu's attacks were a joke, and clearly wasn't impressed by their speed, plus it doesn't fit the narrative that any character can be faster than Saitama. Boros was able to actually somewhat keep up with a casual Saitama, and somewhat impressed him compared to any other monster (before Garou).

 

[KGiffoni]

And since when are physical feats the only way to validate stuff like this? We also have Melzalgald stating he would break AS's skull, but i don't think that's good enough, seemed more like villain babbling for me or something; Atomic Samurai and Iaian being worried about Bang, Bang being fazed at the attack, etc.

And, of course, the most obvious sign is that it actually took some seconds for him to come back to fight, whereas if he had been hit with 7-B AP he would simply have instantly got back to the battlefield.

About this?

 

[SuperAPM]

Bang only took a couple seconds to come back due to his stiff back. He's a tired old man that he himself states needs to get back into shape. Its not enough of an indication to suggest he was anymore than negligibly damaged by Melz attack.

 

[KGiffoni]

How about literally all the other indications?

 

[SuperAPM]

The other heroes reaction don't really indicate anything outside of simply being un-knowledgeable of his capabilities. I don't think that's the case, but it doesn't exactly support anything when the following scans indicate that Bang took only negligible damage.

 

[KGiffoni]

In fiction, and also in real life, it's occurent that people receive impact damage without actual noticeable injuries, because the impact is usually mainly absorbed by the inside of our bodies.

 

[SuperAPM]

That still doesn't prove he took any more than negligible damage.

 

[Epiccheev]

Well. What's the current list for speed feats in the Rel range

• Atomic Samuai if we scale him to the Teresa calc: 7.4% lightspeed

Someone tried to do that before, but it was rejected

 

[DbzDB2]

Yeah just reread the chapter it was one of their strongest not the strongest. His current profile says he is their strongest fighter. So I guess that's wrong.

What chapter is it. Viz may have a different wording.

https://**********.com/manga/Onepunch-Man/0032-054.png

this is the official viz translation. geryu clearly says that he's "one of their strongest fighters"

 

[DbzDB2]

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but murata confirmed that when boros kicked saitama to the moon, saitama was flying at the speed of light. does this change anything?

murata also said that saitama went out of the physical laws of the universe by muscle training

https://twitter.com/NEBU_KURO/status/1125627732446961664

 

[GyroNutz]

Nah, I don't think so Idk if the other statement means much outside of flowery language. Perhaps we'll get more info on it if God ever appears again.

 

[SuperAPM]

So I was just looking through old threads when I came across this calc Qaws made a couple months back. Both ends assume Atomitization and Compression respectfully.

However Mephistus Also made a seperate end assuming Melting, which I think is more applicable given what happens in the feat in question.

12,232.65*31,174,197,286,000 = 3.8134304e+17 joules: 91,143,173 Tons

Is the calc accurate or does it need any adjustiments to be made?

 

[DbzDB2]

So I was just looking through old threads when I came across this calc Qaws made a couple months back. Both ends assume Atomitization and Compression respectfully.
However Mephistus Also made a seperate end assuming Melting, which I think is more applicable given what happens in the feat in question.

12,232.65*31,174,197,286,000 = 3.8134304e+17 joules: 91,143,173 Tons

Is the calc accurate or does it need any adjustiments to be made?

what tier is that?

 

[SuperAPM]

City Level+ or 7-B

 

[DbzDB2]

psykos is already 7-A so that calc is useless

 

[DbzDB2]

since psykos is the leader of the monster association and can boss around characters like black sperm, gouketsu, and elder centipede, i feel like she should by default be a solid 7-A.

why would black sperm or gouketsu follow her orders and let her be the leader if she's weaker than them?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

More likely they're afraid of Orochi than her.

 

[DbzDB2]

More likely they're afraid of Orochi than her.

do you have any evidence to back this up?

in the webcomic orochi doesn't even exist and they still let her be the leader and obeyed her.

psykos seems weak because she got owned by tatsumaki, but tatsumaki could own pretty much anyone in the series except for a few. and fubuki only beat her because she had plot armor and was able to exploit a "weakness". i stilll think that fight was bullshit.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

do you have any evidence to back this up?

in the webcomic orochi doesn't even exist and they still let her be the leader and obeyed her.

psykos seems weak because she got owned by tatsumaki, but tatsumaki could own pretty much anyone in the series except for a few. and fubuki only beat her because she had plot armor and was able to exploit a "weakness". i stilll think that fight was bullshit.

I don't think Psykos is weak and actually do agree with you on her rating. Just not for those reasons. They seem more to follow her for convenience and a common goal. And Orochi is there to back her up if they act up. That might've been another reason Orochi was added. So she could realistically control the cadres.