Strongest Non-Smurf Low 2-C (Discussion)

[Dragonite007]

The purpose of this thread is simple, many people have selected several characters for Low 2-C, now it's time to decide which will be the place

1. Sertrous

2. Characters from Destiny

3. Drácula

4. Parca

5. Mori Dan / Medea Pideth Machina (Web Novel) / Veldora Tempest

6. Ecang

7. Giygas

8. Koriel Number 12

9. Arata

10. Yorman

Candidates:
-Dracula
-Parca
-Koriel Number 12
-Arata
-Giygas
-Yorman

Disqualified:
-Lavos (became tier 1)
-Saint Seya (Outdated, possible will became Smurf in future)
-Characters from Touhou (Junko and Hecatia) [They became full 2-C]
-Altair (Outdated)

 

[Maitreya12]

This man’s about to get a major upgrade, be warned

 

[azontr]

Bro didn't even try to hide the ****-munching.

 

[Maitreya12]

Not when you look like that I can’t

 

[azontr]

 

[Dragonite007]

Not when you look like that I can’t

Nahh, he is weak, he just have SSJ3

 

[Dragonite007]

I think I caught all the characters

 

[Maitreya12]

Nahh, he is weak, he just have SSJ3

The cooler looking SSJ3 you mean

 

[Dragonite007]

Bro didn't even try to hide the ****-munching.

With his buff can he beat Medea with her 2-A immmortality type 9?

 

[YungManzi]

Add Arata to the contenders

 

[Dragonite007]

Add Arata to the contenders

Link his profile

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

So how many of the candidates can interact with type 2 transduality, and how many can resist type 1 concept EE?

 

[Dragonite007]

Add Arata to the contenders

This guy?

Arata Kasuga

Arata Kasuga (春日かすが アラタ, Kasuga Arata?) is the Demon Lord of the Superbia and the protagonist of the series, possessing the ability to nullify and copy magic. After a Breakdown Phenomenon destroys his hometown and causes his cousin Hijiri to disappear, Arata becomes determined to save her by...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Dragonite007]

So how many of the candidates can interact with type 2 transduality, and how many can resist type 1 concept EE?

Idk, Dracula seens be the strongest in the candidates

 

[azontr]

With his buff can he beat Medea with her 2-A immmortality type 9?

Yes, because he'd resist and nullify literally all of her abilities on a type 1 conceptual level and then passively make her want to bounce on his schlong.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So how many of the candidates can interact with type 2 transduality, and how many can resist type 1 concept EE?

Shouldn't Junko be higher on the list because of Transduality? I don't think she needs to worry about the candidates for now.

Though she would likely be at an impasse with Dracula.

Yes, because he'd resist and nullify literally all of her abilities on a type 1 conceptual level and then passively make her want to bounce on his schlong.

After the upgrades, can he go through Dracula's passives, resistances, and Immortality/Regeneration?

 

[azontr]

After the upgrades, can he go through Dracula's passives, resistances, and Immortality/Regeneration?

Not gonna answer that question.

 

[Arkenis]

Candidates:
-Dracula
-Parca
-Altair
-Koriel Number 12
-Arata

From what I read, Koriel has no counter to Parcas fate hax. Similarly, Koriel also has no counter to Altair plot manip or her immo type 8 i dont think.

 

[YungManzi]

This guy?

Arata Kasuga

Arata Kasuga (春日かすが アラタ, Kasuga Arata?) is the Demon Lord of the Superbia and the protagonist of the series, possessing the ability to nullify and copy magic. After a Breakdown Phenomenon destroys his hometown and causes his cousin Hijiri to disappear, Arata becomes determined to save her by...

vsbattles.fandom.com

yep

 

[YungManzi]

Yes, because he'd resist and nullify literally all of her abilities on a type 1 conceptual level and then passively make her want to bounce on his schlong.

Bro doesn't have the range to do that RIP.

 

[azontr]

Bro doesn't have the range to do that RIP.

He doesn't need to effect all of her to defeat her. He just needs to effect the version of her that's fighting him, which, no matter how many of them come at him, they will never be able to defeat him.

Hell, she can't even beat Mori now.

 

[Dragonite007]

yep

Added

 

[YungManzi]

He doesn't need to effect all of her to defeat her. He just needs to effect the version of her that's fighting him, which, no matter how many of them come at him, they will never be able to defeat him.

That would just be inconclusive.

There's an infinite number of her who can exist through all of time of a 2-A multiverse.

 

[azontr]

That would just be inconclusive.

No, it wouldn't.

Getting constantly fate/causality-manip'd into sucking his **** is a loss.

 

[YungManzi]

No, it wouldn't.

Getting constantly fate/causality-manip'd into sucking his **** is a loss.

She resists causality (At least she should) and her immeasurable messes up fate manipulation.

 

[azontr]

She resists causality her immeasurable ***** fate manipulation.

no slurs in general chat plz

Anyway that's not how that works at all, immeasurable speed doesn't stop your fate from being manipulated, it only allows you the speed to traverse through time, which does nothing in terms of preventing your fate from being bent.

 

[YungManzi]

no slurs in general chat plz

I didn't know that buck with a c was banned lol.

Anyway that's not how that works at all, immeasurable speed doesn't stop your fate from being manipulated, it only allows you the speed to traverse through time, which does nothing in terms of preventing your fate from being bent.

How exactly can you manipulate the Future/Fate of someone who can interact with the entire timeline all at once however they please?

 

[azontr]

How exactly can you manipulate the Future/Fate of someone who can interact with the entire timeline all at once however they please?

How does being able to manipulate the timeline prevent the timeline's causality from being used against them if they don't resist it?

 

[Arkenis]

Tbf even granting her this fate thing just seems like she gets indefinitely beat by him at every turn lol

 

[YungManzi]

How does being able to manipulate the timeline prevent the timeline's causality from being used against them if they don't resist it?

She instantly changes it; before it changed, while it's changing, and after it changed all at once to make it so the change never happens.

Her immeasurable = she can attack and sense attacks from the past, present, and future of the entire timeline all at once. And that's across infinite timelines with type 9.

 

[YungManzi]

Plus she herself can manipulate and erase causality on a 4-D scale with the same attacks that she has resistance to on her page, so she should have causality resistance too.

 

[azontr]

She instantly changes it; before it changed, while it's changing, and after it changed all at once to make it so the change never happens.

Her immeasurable = she can attack and sense attacks from the past, present, and future of the entire timeline all at once. And that's across infinite timelines with type 9.

Which.. changes literally nothing. Mori can also manipulate the entire timeline with his Fate Manipulation, creating an infinite cycle of repeating events from the beginning of time to the end of it if he wants to, meaning there's no way for her to just blink to the past to change the future because that action in of itself is simply part of the Karmic Cycle Mori placed onto the world.

Also, literally none of this shit is on her profile.

 

[Robo432343]

what is the candidates thing for

 

[Robo432343]

also doesn't dracula kinda stomp mori

 

[azontr]

also doesn't dracula kinda stomp mori

Dracula stomps like more than half the list.

 

[Dragonite007]

what is the candidates thing for

It's to list all characters indicated by some user for some spot and decide if they get the spot or not

 

[YungManzi]

Which.. changes literally nothing. Mori can also manipulate the entire timeline with his Fate Manipulation, creating an infinite cycle of repeating events from the beginning of time to the end of it if he wants to, meaning there's no way for her to just blink to the past to change the future because that action in of itself is simply part of the Karmic Cycle Mori placed onto the world.

Also, literally none of this shit is on her profile.

Then it just becomes a cycle where they both keep changing stuff in the timeline infinitely.


Everything is on the profile.

The attack is also imbued with the concept of "bringing an end to all possibilities", allowing it to kill all past, present and future versions of the target(s) and all versions of them in every parallel or divergent world at the same time. She can additionally have the attack destroy the laws of the world and the law of cause and effect.

^This is her attack that she could resist and react to.

 

[azontr]

Then it just becomes a cycle where they both keep changing stuff in the timeline infinitely.

No, it doesn't, because Mori is always a step ahead while Medea is always just trapped within the Karmic Cycle he placed on her, with no way to truly effect him barring clipping through space time fruitlessly while Mori chills watching her like a rat on a wheel.

 

[YungManzi]

No, it doesn't, because Mori is always a step ahead while Medea is always just trapped within the Karmic Cycle he placed on her, with no way to truly effect him barring clipping through space time fruitlessly while Mori chills watching her like a rat on a wheel.

...You do realize that this just applies to one version of medea and there's an infinite number of her, a lot of which also have immeasurable speed, who would just overwhelm Mori, right?

 

[azontr]

...You do realize that this just applies to one version of medea and there's an infinite number of her, a lot of which also have immeasurable speed, who would just overwhelm Mori, right?

"Overwhelm Mori" lmao what are you smoking??? They'd all just get, in turn, trapped in the Karmic Cycle, he doesn't have to focus it on a singular Medea since it's an infinite cycle of repeating events that effects whoever steps into his influence and Karma. This should be incredibly obvious.

Pretending that Medea can circumvent this with what you've provided as evidence is supreme-tier wank.