Strongest Low 1-C Characters on the Wiki

[Livinmeme]

what
let me get setsuna or breeze

Me not get

 

[Livinmeme]

why do u think yang kai's law manip is 5-D

Yang law manip derives from his cultvation, which is 5-D at this point

 

[Vietthai96]

Yang law hax is 4D, only CM1 is 5D in his Open Heaven rank and last key, his law hax is based on incorporating World Principle into his attack, world principle is the fundamental principle that govern each world, World is 4D. You can stretch it to 5D though, still CFE is 5D with Large Size type 10

 

[Livinmeme]

Yang law hax is 4D, only CM1 is 5D in his Open Heaven rank and last key, his law hax is based on incorporating World Principle into his attack, world principle is the fundamental principle that govern each world, World is 4D. You can stretch it to 5D though, still CFE is 5D with Large Size type 10

You are conceding that Law manip could be potentially assumed to be 5-D, which is more or less just being 5-D

 

[Livinmeme]

Yang law hax is 4D, only CM1 is 5D in his Open Heaven rank and last key, his law hax is based on incorporating World Principle into his attack, world principle is the fundamental principle that govern each world, World is 4D. You can stretch it to 5D though, still CFE is 5D with Large Size type 10

Yang kai arguably wins against Sora, while Kratos loses against him, this just seems like rock paper scissors

 

[Livinmeme]

if sora's resistance to yang kai's hax is 5-d then he just stomps

He doesn't resist yang law manip, I think

 

[Livinmeme]

resisted

Kingdom Hearts (Entity)

Kingdom Hearts (キングダムハーツ Kingudamu Hātsu) is one of the major entities in the Kingdom Hearts universe. It is the heart of all worlds, and the source of ultimate power and wisdom. It can be seen as the heart of everything. Due to its great significance, it has repeatedly been sought by the...

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Sora resistance comes from not coming from this world, and resisting the laws of this current world, I don't think that would stop him from getting pumeled by Yang law

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

8. Kratos / Celestial Foundation Eater
9. Yang Kai
10. Setoki Nozumu

Nozumu should be above Yang Kai and Kratos imo.

Considering his NEP, 5-D type 1 CM, 2 layers 5-D EE and 5-D info manip type 2. And resistance to those haxs on 5-D level into 2 layers.

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He also resist these shit on 5-D scale by 2 layers.

Space-Time Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, Durability Negation, Plant Manipulation, BFR, Sense Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Absorption and Power Mimicry, Damage Transferal, Corrosion Inducement, and Mind Manipulation

 

[Vietthai96]

Nozumu should be above Yang Kai and Kratos imo.

Considering his NEP, 5-D type 1 CM, 2 layers 5-D EE and 5-D info manip type 2. And resistance to those haxs on 5-D level into 2 layers.

The Spirit of Eternity Sword-Hax Scaling and Penetrate

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He also resist these shit on 5-D scale by 2 layers.

Space-Time Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, Durability Negation, Plant Manipulation, BFR, Sense Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, Absorption and Power Mimicry, Damage Transferal, Corrosion Inducement, and Mind Manipulation

Uhhh, i don't see the profile so just some questions. Is his NEP nature 1 or 2??, what kind of EE he resist???

Edit: damn, i'm blind, bruhh, so he is NEP Nature 1, still i need to research what kind of EE he resists

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Uhhh, i don't see the profile so just some questions. Is his NEP nature 1 or 2??, what kind of EE he resist???

Edit: damn, i'm blind, bruhh, so he is NEP Nature 1, still i need to research what kind of EE he resists

Apostasy: An ability which allows Nozumu to kill gods, who can't permanently die due to reincarnation. Apostasy is an ability which erases it's targets name, power, and existence.
Also forget his

• Power Nullification (With Apostasy he can dispel his opponents power[2])

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Was unaffected by Unstoppable Force's roar,[11] which destroys all without leaving a speck of dust. All Force's attacks are imbued with the concept of destruction, with this concept being outside of and disconnected from the Time Tree, which it governs)

 

[Vietthai96]

So conceptual erasure?, well, look like he beat even Celestial Foundation Eater due to having layered 5D haxes

 

[Killerdrone123]

Don't see anything in his profile that protects him from passive history ee

 

[ShionAH]

bro put Bill in 12 or 11, others cannot kill him and he can maybe transmutate Azrael

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Don't see anything in his profile that protects him from passive history ee

NEP type 1.

 

[Vietthai96]

NEP type 1.

Time Power and Power of Destruction can interact with and erase NEP1, even NEP that lack history

 

[Livinmeme]

if sora's resistance comes from being unaffected by the laws of the world then how is Yang's law hax going to be effective here

also chinaman doesn't even start with law hax while any keyblade attack sora has is type 1 CM

Yeah, I conscede that Yang gets his ass kicked then

 

[Brogeefrong]

who do u think would win
bill cipher or timekeeper cookie

Timekeeper Cookie

Timekeeper Cookie is a Legendary Cookie in Cookie Run: OvenBreak. She is the future/alternate reality version of Croissant Cookie, and the director of the Time Balance Department. During the events of Operation Timeguard, Timekeeper Cookie starts messing with timelines and frames GingerBrave out...

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Bill probably snaps and wins

 

[ShionAH]

Bill just snaps

 

[ShionAH]

She doesnt have Idea/NEP3 NPI so I don't think she can put Bill down for good. Also her starting move is Time BFR which Bill just comes back from/snaps her away

 

[Robo432343]

She doesnt have Idea/NEP3 NPI so I don't think she can put Bill down for good.

she can interact with legendary cookies who have ae 1 but nep might be an issue

Also her starting move is Time BFR which Bill just comes back from/snaps her away

her time stuff is conceptual

wouldn't her passives save herself from losing and making it incon?

 

[ShionAH]

her time stuff is conceptual

okay? you do know "conceptual bfr" doesnt exist right.

wouldn't her passives save herself from losing and making it incon?

tf do they do, you never explained

Edit: Also her range is really really bad and unknown speed and LS... so Bill could crush her too

 

[ShionAH]

Okay? So it will...passively destroy Bill? Is that what you mean? 'Cause Bill isn't a concept he is an idea that exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

You aren't giving me much other than copying the profile

 

[Vietthai96]

probably should make a dedicated vs thread

 

[Robo432343]

Okay? So it will...passively destroy Bill? Is that what you mean? 'Cause Bill isn't a concept he is an idea that exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

no, not passively destroy bill
passively destroying time, going to the end of time etc

Bills AE and NEP is his mindscape form tho?

 

[ShionAH]

passively destroying time, going to the end of time

Okay how tf is that gonna help when Bill has infinitely bigger range?

Bills AE and NEP is his mindscape form tho?

 

[Ar1216789]

The Sugar Swan

The Sugar Swan is an important supporting protagonist in CookieRun: Kingdom and a minor background character in CookieRun: OvenBreak and LINE Cookie Run. One of the legendary wielders of cosmic power that built the world on an afternoon tea set, the Sugar Swan watches over the Cookie World to...

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She should be added. She has Concept Manip Type 1 and Non-Duality. Which is.. cool.

 

[Vietthai96]

tbf, nondual is useless now, new standard require the verse to specific what nondual in the verse grants, or else it is just another decorative ability, like how Aca 4 now, bruhh

 

[Ar1216789]

does sugar swan have every single ability in the verse

Yes, all the foundational concepts and powers. The cosmology and powers come from her.

 

[Ar1216789]

nonduality is one of the most useless abilities to exist now

Will she be added on the list? Just an FYI she also has Large Size Type 10.. Just so you can understand how she views things.. (She views Low 2-C Structures akin to a grain of sugar, and the cosmology as a tea set)

 

[Ar1216789]

yeah, i don't know where to place her though
i was thinking top 7

Any spot on 7-9 will do. I can also argue for Timekeeper Cookie being on the list.. especially with my new CRT on her abilities.

 

[Ben_CleverName]

nonduality is one of the most useless abilities to exist now

I mean if that's true then why is Slay the Princess rated so high in the first place?

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean if that's true then why is Slay the Princess rated so high in the first place?

AE1 and Transduality type 1 & 2, Transdual > Nondual

Also

yeah, i don't know where to place her though
i was thinking top 7

I think you should remove Scared Ancestor from the list, he is oudated character, there is some revisions to remove and change abilities before which was accepted but no one bother to apply the changes to the profile. There ia also a currently ongoing CRT to upgrade his tier but get nowhere

 

[Ben_CleverName]

AE1 and Transduality type 1 & 2, Transdual > Nondual

Right, except a good portion of other characters on the list already have AE Type 1, and Transduality is meaningless as it is, given the reasons that have already been highlighted on this thread. Either you're trying to assume "qualitative superiority" over concepts thus describing something that is 1-A (and thus doesn't belong on this thread) or you're assuming a random description of Transduality over what the wiki actually says about the topic. If you assume that it's the old description, then you're trying to describe a 6D character, which again would not belong on this thread.

 

[Vietthai96]

Right, except a good portion of other characters on the list already have AE Type 1, and Transduality is meaningless as it is, given the reasons that have already been highlighted on this thread. Either you're trying to assume "qualitative superiority" over concepts thus describing something that is 1-A (and thus doesn't belong on this thread) or you're assuming a random description of Transduality over what the wiki actually says about the topic. If you assume that it's the old description, then you're trying to describe a 6D character, which again would not belong on this thread.

Idk why you clinging on transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, we discussing what currently on the profile, not what it could potentially is. Due to @DontTalkDT revision Nondual is useless while Transdual is still busted like before, except probably type 1 transdual, type 2 and 3 is still completely uninteractable. If you believe profile with transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, make a CRT about it

Also AE1 have many types, just because you can interact with one or two types doesn't mean you can interact with other types

 

[Ben_CleverName]

Idk why you clinging on transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, we discussing what currently on the profile, not what it could potentially is. Due to @DontTalkDT revision Nondual is useless while Transdual is still busted like before, except probably type 1 transdual, type 2 and 3 is still completely uninteractable. If you believe profile with transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, make a CRT about it

If you're discussing what's currently on the profile then transduality just straight up is 1-A, it directly invokes qualitative superiority. Also, no disrespect to DT, but I kinda don't care about what was said by him on it if it's not on the page for Nonduality. On that matter:

Nonduality grants the user immunity to attacks and haxes bound by the duality in question, as someone absent of the logical systems that govern those effects would leave them no means to affect their being.

Meanwhile, the page also describes transduality as being "nonduality but with qualitative superiority", and to leave no doubt as to what qualitative superiority implied, it linked to the qualitative superiority page (before and after current tiering system):

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them

Also AE1 have many types, just because you can interact with one or two types doesn't mean you can interact with other types

Then maybe it should be specified what "type" of AE 1 you're talking about. I assume you're talking about Type 1 though, which isn't a unique feature on this list.

 

[Vietthai96]

If you're discussing what's currently on the profile then transduality just straight up is 1-A, it directly invokes qualitative superiority.

we discussing what on the profile, just because transdual can be 1-A doesn't invalidate this discussion because currently, the profile that have transdual in question is Low 1-C, so no matter what you say, it still Low 1-C thus the discussion is valid. If you have problem with it, make a CRT to make them 1-A, or downgrade their transdual to nondual

Also, no disrespect to DT, but I kinda don't care about what was said by him on it if it's not on the page for Nonduality. On that matter:

You don't care what he said, but he himself made the revision, changed standard, and we discussing what standard provide, what is accepted, not what we think something should be, potentially be. If you have problem with it, change the standard made by DontTalk. By your logic, i could just say that i don't care what other say, my favorite verse is boundless and solo the rest of fictions

Anyway, no offend, but all this arguments from you just hinged on: "They are transdual they should be 1-A so this discussion is invalid, but they are not 1-A so their transdual is meaningless, thus they should not be that high on the list"
You just arbitrary invalidate a power because it not what you think it should be, that not how it work

Then maybe it should be specified what "type" of AE 1 you're talking about. I assume you're talking about Type 1 though, which isn't a unique feature on this list.

I'm not the verse supporters, i just explain what existing on the profile from my own knowledges

 

[Killerdrone123]

Why is sora on 4

 

[Ben_CleverName]

we discussing what on the profile, just because transdual can be 1-A doesn't invalidate this discussion because currently, the profile that have transdual in question is Low 1-C, so no matter what you say, it still Low 1-C thus the discussion is valid. If you have problem with it, make a CRT to make them 1-A, or downgrade their transdual to nondual

It's not a matter of "Transduality can be 1-A", it literally is 1-A, as the transduality page already shows, and as such any mentionings of transduality should either be interpreted as 1-A or assumed to be equal to nonduality which is not unreasonable, as the page itself specifies that the only difference between nonduality and transduality is that the latter involves qualitative superiority. That's literally on the page, the specific reason why transduality "immunizes attempts to force dualities onto a character" is because of qualitative superiority, and you're simultaneously opting for ignoring the qualitative superiority part (arguing that it isn't 1-A because the profile doesn't have 1-A listed as a tier) and opting for using it in scaling by offering "transduality" the benefits that are solely derived from a relationship of qualitative superiority.

You don't care what he said, but he himself made the revision, changed standard, and we discussing what standard provide, what is accepted, not what we think something should be, potentially be. If you have problem with it, change the standard made by DontTalk. By your logic, i could just say that i don't care what other say, my favorite verse is boundless and solo the rest of fictions

I literally quoted the standards to you verbatim, that's why I said I didn't care about what was "said" on the topic. Mind you, the page does contradict itself (ironic, given that it involves contradictions as characters) by saying Nonduality grants immunities and then backpedaling by saying "Actually the immunities are only present if the verse acknowledges that those immunities are because of nonduality", but regardless, I'm openly using the wiki's own standards that were published in this conversation, so your weird attempt to portray me as ignoring the standards to argue in favor of certain characters doesn't work. I'm just as aware that it's likely that the pages are going to be revised soon, either way.

 

[Vietthai96]

It's not a matter of "Transduality can be 1-A", it literally is 1-A, as the transduality page already shows, and as such any mentionings of transduality should either be interpreted as 1-A or assumed to be equal to nonduality which is not unreasonable, as the page itself specifies that the only difference between nonduality and transduality is that the latter involves qualitative superiority. That's literally on the page, the specific reason why transduality "immunizes attempts to force dualities onto a character" is because of qualitative superiority, and you're simultaneously opting for ignoring the qualitative superiority part (arguing that it isn't 1-A because the profile doesn't have 1-A listed as a tier) and opting for using it in scaling by offering "transduality" the benefits that are solely derived from a relationship of qualitative superiority.

On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them. Besides immunizing them against the dualities in question, this power also immunizes them against attempts to apply those dualities to them, as they would transcend the scope of the haxes that could do so.

Please read

I literally quoted the standards to you verbatim, that's why I said I didn't care about what was "said" on the topic. Mind you, the page does contradict itself (ironic, given that it involves contradictions as characters) by saying Nonduality grants immunities and then backpedaling by saying "Actually the immunities are only present if the verse acknowledges that those immunities are because of nonduality", but regardless, I'm openly using the wiki's own standards that were published in this conversation, so your weird attempt to portray me as ignoring the standards to argue in favor of certain characters doesn't work. I'm just as aware that it's likely that the pages are going to be revised soon, either way.

If the page contradict itself, make CRT about it, no matter what you say, it is what it is

 

[Robo432343]

Why is sora on 4

i made sora vs dbh and sora vs kratos and he stomped them