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Honkai lose it too if what i thought is right
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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki
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AlipheeseXIV
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Wonder how many of the verses here would be affected
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It doesn’t matter for Honkai tho cuz nobody is gonna be scaling to the 5th dimension a week or two from now when I finish my irl exams
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It prob won’t matter much for the list here because it’ll js mean they’re “likely Low 1-C” or something which is just functionally Low 1-C.
Killerdrone123
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Honkai, DMC at very least
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Technically speaking, this stuff about dimensional axes would probably extend to even temporal dimensions of hypertime probably not just spatial.
If there's for some reason their is a difference on how these 2 are treated on the wiki. Staff should specify that too.
If there's for some reason their is a difference on how these 2 are treated on the wiki. Staff should specify that too.
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No, temporal dimension is assume to be infinite by default. This only affect spartial dimension
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God I hate hypertimelines because most of the time it’s just because the author is ass at time travel.
Oh, is R>F not enough? Huh
AlipheeseXIV
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I guess if the ratings get changed to possibly yeah, we can just not restrict them
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Im taking about how verses obtained an extra temporal dimension not extra temporal dimensions themselves. I should of clarified that, sorry
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Nvm, sometime i forgot stuff, but again, you could argue the R > F is just 4D R > F over 3D
AlipheeseXIV
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Ig, tbf since this is only L1C it's not as bad for this tier as it might be for tiers beyond it. Like the 7 or 8D verses who might've slid in a 1D through something that isn't significant
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The only way I see this work is if the higher dimension is the temporal one lol
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Yeah they want statements like this lmao
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Honkai's getting nuked anyway tho.
But isn't DMC reliant on the whole Chaos Time stuff? Or am I missing something?
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Anyway I think people are freaking out a bit, Option 2 as it is written opens up way too many loopholes for verses to actually exploit and go against what the Tiering System FAQ actually says LOL.
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Chaos Timeline was argued to be a separator between 4D space-time thus make it a space with 5th spatial axis, Chaos Timeline is a part of Demon Realm, make Demon Realm a 5D space. Demon Realm is infinite thus it is infinite 5D and is Low 1-C
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Then it prolly wouldn't be affected under either problem as long as the infinite-sized statement is solely for the Demon World itself, especially if we already accepted prior to this that the Chaos Timeline was a 5D construct keeping 4D space-times separate.
Though, wasn't Qawsedf the only person who voted for the Chaos Timeline end? What did the other guys who agreed vote on?
Hypertimelines are a completely different story to this, obviously.
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Qaw was talking about different stuff. the issue is like what i have said in DMC thread, if option 2 is like what i thought, then Chaos Timeline, or the 5D space that separate 4D space-time universes, must having specific statement such as its 5th spatial axis is significant or all of its axes are significant to qualify for Low 1-C. the Demon Realm being stated to be infinite generally will not qualify and thus be an insignificant 5D space
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I personally want that brainrot deleted as fast as possible before this gets accepted into my verse. I don’t want to do CRT if I can avoid it. If a character was able to reach this many layers purely because of how much power/magic they have, then when they face an opponent with equal or greater power in a VS match, why wouldn’t that opponent also get the same number of layers in that VS match? The character and the verse only reached that many layers because of the amount of power/magic involved, using the same logic.
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This makes no sense in all honesty. Why would a bigger realm containing an insignificant 5D space, then stated to be infinite by itself, not qualify as infinite 5D?
And even then, that would contradict what the Tiering System states currently.
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You could say that the space only needs to be infinite in 4 dimensions to contain 4D structures; the 5th dimension remains unknown since 4D structures, no matter how many of them, will not extend or occupy the 5th direction. Uncountable infinite many of them is another case, though.
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We are pretty much safe since the reasoning at the end was this Well If it's a connector dimension that borders all of Demon Space then it would still need to be spatially 4D to touch them all. Which can still give the totality of the Demon World Low 1-C by being 4D+1.
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that require changing the argument to time axis argument, currently it is Demon Realm is an infinite 5D container and separator argument
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wot, no just go and read it again, you are confusing yourself, he was talking about the container and separator thing with that comment
changing the argument to a time axis would just go towards hypertimeline stuff
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67 pages
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I am waiting for 69. Pages.
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I think issue with it, is it abuses a technicality with the wiki. I don't think unstated insignificant dimensions should ever be taken account and easily abuses the system. If the dimensions aren't stated then that "insignificant dimension" should essentially be a non-factor.
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The way this is framed (especially on wiki) feels overly restrictive and somewhat arbitrary.
Regardless, a 4D structure already exhausts its degrees of freedom within a single space-time continuum (3 space + 1 time). If you’re talking about crossing or containing separate space-times then calling the structure merely "4D" becomes incoherent because it would require access to degrees of freedom outside that single continuum. In other words, a 4D object cannot meaningfully traverse or relate multiple space-times unless additional dimensions are involved which are clearly a thing within Underworld that is referred as infinite with darkness as an entire structure of space.
As for the current standards that are being pushed for, I hope you guys are ready to nuke multiverse and high universe level scaling as well since we are started being soo pedantic these days
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but its in the hands of what majority decides.
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Are we deadass having issues over what has already been the standard for years at this point?
(Unless we're talking about the infinite stuff, in which case eh)
Anyways, the real truth is that we just need to nuke every tier between Low 2-C/2-A and 1-A but vsbw aint ready for that convo
(Unless we're talking about the infinite stuff, in which case eh)
But what I do find funny is DT agreeing with this after him being the one to make "Above baseline 2-A" requiring a verse to state that the space you were reaching/destroying was in some sense beyond the space of a normal 2-A multiverse (for whatever inverse reason)
Kinda not (but I refuse to try and explain quantum physics on this thread), but even if it does, that doesn't mean it's anywhere close to being properly 5D, real number line and all that.
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I'm not blaming you brother. I know there were going to have attempts either way so you were kinda forced into it (not the first time this has happened anyways).
But nonetheless, I think I still have some reserved cards in my sleeves to try later depending on how things will turns out there.
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This reminds me how impossible it would become for verses to reach 1-B with current meta lmao
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Nothing should be beyond High 3-A. I think can all agree with this
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What does 1-B smurf even mean? Like 12D hax? Isn’t that the same as HSR?
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