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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

That's the 10%, 90% was a bit of an exaggeration. I'd argue more like 80-75 but yeah
Maybe less even, there are a lot of tier 1 and up pages idk about tbf
At the top of my head I know Honkai, LOTM, Cthulhu, Gurren Lagan and Comics that wouldn’t get affected by ts. There’s prob more that’s I’m js not remembering correctly tho.

Sonic might get nuked tho cuz I remember their dimension was based of the shadow of a single hypercube.
 
Technically speaking, this stuff about dimensional axes would probably extend to even temporal dimensions of hypertime probably not just spatial.

If there's for some reason their is a difference on how these 2 are treated on the wiki. Staff should specify that too.
 
Technically speaking, this stuff about dimensional axes would probably extend to even temporal dimensions of hypertime probably not just spatial.

If there's for some reason s difference on how these 2 are treated. Staff should specify that too.
No, temporal dimension is assume to be infinite by default. This only affect spartial dimension
 
No, temporal dimension is assume to be infinite by default. This only affect spartial dimension
Im taking about how verses obtained an extra temporal dimension not extra temporal dimensions themselves. I should of clarified that, sorry
 
Yeah they want statements like this lmao

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I love Basic D&D, they really went so unnecessarily specific with certain things
 
The wording doesn't imply that. If anything it implies something that contradicts our Tiering System Q&A. Mainly...

"prove they share the infinite or significant scale of the lower dimensionial axis of the higher dimensional realm/Universe"

This part specifically. As it stands it doesn't even ask to clarify the relationship between the two structures.

Obviously higher-dimensional structures called infinite on their own independently wouldn't be affected by this. Only structures that contain space-times and then don't have any more elaboration.
Anyway I think people are freaking out a bit, Option 2 as it is written opens up way too many loopholes for verses to actually exploit and go against what the Tiering System FAQ actually says LOL.
 
But isn't DMC reliant on the whole Chaos Time stuff? Or am I missing something?
Chaos Timeline was argued to be a separator between 4D space-time thus make it a space with 5th spatial axis, Chaos Timeline is a part of Demon Realm, make Demon Realm a 5D space. Demon Realm is infinite thus it is infinite 5D and is Low 1-C
 
Chaos Timeline was argued to be a separator between 4D space-time thus make it a space with 5th spatial axis, Chaos Timeline is a part of Demon Realm, make Demon Realm a 5D space. Demon Realm is infinite thus it is infinite 5D and is Low 1-C
Then it prolly wouldn't be affected under either problem as long as the infinite-sized statement is solely for the Demon World itself, especially if we already accepted prior to this that the Chaos Timeline was a 5D construct keeping 4D space-times separate.

Though, wasn't Qawsedf the only person who voted for the Chaos Timeline end? What did the other guys who agreed vote on?

Hypertimelines are a completely different story to this, obviously.
 
Then it prolly wouldn't be affected under either problem as long as the infinite-sized statement is solely for the Demon World itself, especially if we already accepted prior to this that the Chaos Timeline was a 5D construct keeping 4D space-times separate.

Though, wasn't Qawsedf the only person who voted for the Chaos Timeline end? What did the other guys who agreed vote on?

Hypertimelines are a completely different story to this, obviously.
Qaw was talking about different stuff. the issue is like what i have said in DMC thread, if option 2 is like what i thought, then Chaos Timeline, or the 5D space that separate 4D space-time universes, must having specific statement such as its 5th spatial axis is significant or all of its axes are significant to qualify for Low 1-C. the Demon Realm being stated to be infinite generally will not qualify and thus be an insignificant 5D space
 
Robo rejoicing rn knowing LOTM layers getting nuked.
I personally want that brainrot deleted as fast as possible before this gets accepted into my verse. I don’t want to do CRT if I can avoid it. If a character was able to reach this many layers purely because of how much power/magic they have, then when they face an opponent with equal or greater power in a VS match, why wouldn’t that opponent also get the same number of layers in that VS match? The character and the verse only reached that many layers because of the amount of power/magic involved, using the same logic.
 
Qaw was talking about different stuff. the issue is like what i have said in DMC thread, if option 2 is like what i thought, then Chaos Timeline, or the 5D space that separate 4D space-time universes, must having specific statement such as its 5th spatial axis is significant or all of its axes are significant to qualify for Low 1-C. the Demon Realm being stated to be infinite generally will not qualify and thus be an insignificant 5D space
This makes no sense in all honesty. Why would a bigger realm containing an insignificant 5D space, then stated to be infinite by itself, not qualify as infinite 5D?

And even then, that would contradict what the Tiering System states currently.
 
This makes no sense in all honesty. Why would a bigger realm containing an insignificant 5D space, then stated to be infinite by itself, not qualify as infinite 5D?
You could say that the space only needs to be infinite in 4 dimensions to contain 4D structures; the 5th dimension remains unknown since 4D structures, no matter how many of them, will not extend or occupy the 5th direction. Uncountable infinite many of them is another case, though.
 
Then it prolly wouldn't be affected under either problem as long as the infinite-sized statement is solely for the Demon World itself, especially if we already accepted prior to this that the Chaos Timeline was a 5D construct keeping 4D space-times separate.

Though, wasn't Qawsedf the only person who voted for the Chaos Timeline end? What did the other guys who agreed vote on?

Hypertimelines are a completely different story to this, obviously.
We are pretty much safe since the reasoning at the end was this Well If it's a connector dimension that borders all of Demon Space then it would still need to be spatially 4D to touch them all. Which can still give the totality of the Demon World Low 1-C by being 4D+1.
 
We are pretty much safe since the reasoning at the end was this Well If it's a connector dimension that borders all of Demon Space then it would still need to be spatially 4D to touch them all. Which can still give the totality of the Demon World Low 1-C by being 4D+1.
that require changing the argument to time axis argument, currently it is Demon Realm is an infinite 5D container and separator argument
 
that require changing the argument to time axis argument,
wot, no just go and read it again, you are confusing yourself, he was talking about the container and separator thing with that comment just say you don't agree and move on bro

changing the argument to a time axis would just go towards hypertimeline stuff
 
We are pretty much safe since the reasoning at the end was this Well If it's a connector dimension that borders all of Demon Space then it would still need to be spatially 4D to touch them all. Which can still give the totality of the Demon World Low 1-C by being 4D+1.
I think issue with it, is it abuses a technicality with the wiki. I don't think unstated insignificant dimensions should ever be taken account and easily abuses the system. If the dimensions aren't stated then that "insignificant dimension" should essentially be a non-factor.
 
You could say that the space only needs to be infinite in 4 dimensions to contain 4D structures; the 5th dimension remains unknown since 4D structures, no matter how many of them, will not extend or occupy the 5th direction. Uncountable infinite many of them is another case,
The way this is framed (especially on wiki) feels overly restrictive and somewhat arbitrary.

Regardless, a 4D structure already exhausts its degrees of freedom within a single space-time continuum (3 space + 1 time). If you’re talking about crossing or containing separate space-times then calling the structure merely "4D" becomes incoherent because it would require access to degrees of freedom outside that single continuum. In other words, a 4D object cannot meaningfully traverse or relate multiple space-times unless additional dimensions are involved which are clearly a thing within Underworld that is referred as infinite with darkness as an entire structure of space.

As for the current standards that are being pushed for, I hope you guys are ready to nuke multiverse and high universe level scaling as well since we are started being soo pedantic these days
 
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The way this is framed (especially on wiki) feels overly restrictive and somewhat arbitrary.

Regardless, a 4D structure already exhausts its degrees of freedom within a single space-time continuum (3 space + 1 time). If you’re talking about crossing or containing separate space-times then calling the structure merely "4D" becomes incoherent because it would require access to degrees of freedom outside that single continuum. In other words, a 4D object cannot meaningfully traverse or relate multiple space-times unless additional dimensions are involved which are clearly a thing within Underworld.

As for the current standards that are being pushed for, I hope you guys are ready to nuke multiverse and high universe level scaling as well since we are started being soo padentic these days
I also think 1st one makes most sense with bit of change in wording that accounts for wiki's made up insignificant 5D shit to not be unnecessarily abused.

but its in the hands of what majority decides.
 
Are we deadass having issues over what has already been the standard for years at this point?
(Unless we're talking about the infinite stuff, in which case eh)
i agree option 2 is strict but isn't DT right here in this case? an infinite 4-d realm containing multiple 4d realms is just higher into 4D size...
But what I do find funny is DT agreeing with this after him being the one to make "Above baseline 2-A" requiring a verse to state that the space you were reaching/destroying was in some sense beyond the space of a normal 2-A multiverse (for whatever inverse reason)
Regardless, a 4D structure already exhausts its degrees of freedom within a single space-time continuum (3 space + 1 time). If you’re talking about crossing or containing separate space-times then calling the structure merely "4D" becomes incoherent because it would require access to degrees of freedom outside that single continuum. In other words, a 4D object cannot meaningfully traverse or relate multiple space-times unless additional dimensions are involved which are clearly a thing within Underworld.
Kinda not (but I refuse to try and explain quantum physics on this thread), but even if it does, that doesn't mean it's anywhere close to being properly 5D, real number line and all that.

Anyways, the real truth is that we just need to nuke every tier between Low 2-C/2-A and 1-A but vsbw aint ready for that convo
 
I also think 1st one makes most sense with bit of change in wording that accounts for wiki's made up insignificant 5D shit to not be unnecessarily abused.

but its in the hands of what majority decides.
I'm not blaming you brother. I know there were going to have attempts either way so you were kinda forced into it (not the first time this has happened anyways).

But nonetheless, I think I still have some reserved cards in my sleeves to try later depending on how things will turns out there.

Anyways, the real truth is that we just need to nuke every tier between Low 2-C/2-A and 1-A but vsbw aint ready for that convo
Agreed
 
Unrelated to the above, Li Qiye should actually be removed from the list. He has 1-B Smurf stuff in this third key bare minimum with progenitor-level power null.
 
Unrelated to the above, Li Qiye should actually be removed from the list. He has 1-B Smurf stuff in this third key bare minimum with progenitor-level power null.
This reminds me how impossible it would become for verses to reach 1-B with current meta lmao
 
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