Strider VS The Guitar Case Drifter (LOTR VS KLK)

[Hsharpe]

Time to make my return with one of these threads. Hopefully this one doesn't die off like the other ones.

Aragorn, THE HEIR OF ISILDUR

VS

Ryūko Matoi, THE KANTO VAGABOND

Battle Conditions:

• Aragorn is in his 7-A key, and no Andúril
• Ryūko is in her True Life Fiber Synchronized key (7-B), and no Scissor Blade
• Both are given standard swords
• Speed is equalized
• Both are in-character
• Win by Death or K.O
• Fight takes place in the Honnōji Academy schoolyard

Who wins and why?

Aragorn: 0 ()

Ryūko: 0 ()

No father? (Inconclusive): 4 (@Tyranno223, @ProbNotAFelon, @AThe1412, @MannyQ361)

 

[Tyranno223]

I'll have a look when I'm free. Btw, the Aragorn Low 7-B to 7-A thing isn't a varies between. It's the two possible ratings that can be used.

It's either Low 7-B or 7-A so you'll have to choose one or the other.

 

[Hsharpe]

I'll have a look when I'm free. Btw, the Aragorn Low 7-B to 7-A thing isn't a varies between. It's the two possible ratings that can be used.

It's either Low 7-B or 7-A so you'll have to choose one or the other.

Changed it to 7-A in that case.

 

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[ProbNotAFelon]

Do you have the AP values? I can't for the life of me find either of them; the calc that Aragorn is supposed to scale from is just not 7-A, and Ryuko's AP section for this key just links to another character who has the same AP value saying she scales from Ryuko, so I have no idea (there is also no 7-B calc on the verse page so I don't know what's going on)

 

[Tyranno223]

Do you have the AP values? I can't for the life of me find either of them; the calc that Aragorn is supposed to scale from is just not 7-A, and Ryuko's AP section for this key just links to another character who has the same AP value saying she scales from Ryuko, so I have no idea (there is also no 7-B calc on the verse page so I don't know what's going on)

LotR's 7-A characters scale from the mountain feat listed in the link below. They downscale from the character who did it (Sauron) but it was done extremely casually.

Lord of The Rings Assorted Feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

LotR's 7-A characters scale from the mountain feat listed in the link below. They downscale from the character who did it (Sauron) but it was done extremely casually.

Thanks! I was just looking at that whole scaling chain that leads to Ungoliant tanking Morgoth's scream lol

As for Ryuko, after looking at every calc and character page of the verse, I still cannot find any reasoning for 7-B ratings (the closest I can find is a Low 7-B calc). Assuming baseline 7-B, Aragorn would have over 60x AP and dura advantage, so he liquefies Ryuko just by breathing in her general direction and she literally can't touch him.
Just from a brief-ish scan of Ryuko's profile, it doesn't look like she has any major hax to counteract this, so I think this is a stomp

 

[Hsharpe]

Thanks! I was just looking at that whole scaling chain that leads to Ungoliant tanking Morgoth's scream lol

As for Ryuko, after looking at every calc and character page of the verse, I still cannot find any reasoning for 7-B ratings (the closest I can find is a Low 7-B calc). Assuming baseline 7-B, Aragorn would have over 60x AP and dura advantage, so he liquefies Ryuko just by breathing in her general direction and she literally can't touch him.
Just from a brief-ish scan of Ryuko's profile, it doesn't look like she has any major hax to counteract this, so I think this is a stomp

Well Ryuko has her High-Mid Regeneration, so even if Aragorn one-shots, Ryuko’s putting herself back together faster than Aragorn’s swinging. Though Aragorn’s EM is gonna be a huge problem for her.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

Well Ryuko has her High-Mid Regeneration, so even if Aragorn one-shots, Ryuko’s putting herself back together faster than Aragorn’s swinging.

I don't know if being torn to shreds (the worst thing it says she's regenerated from on her page) is necessarily equivalent to the absolute liquification that would occur after being hit by one of Aragorn's attacks; plus, he's attacking at High Hypersonic speeds, is her regen fast enough for that?
Also, how does she damage Aragorn? The AP difference is way too big for normal attacks to work and she doesn't have dura neg or anything as far as I can tell

 

[Hsharpe]

I don't know if being torn to shreds (the worst thing it says she's regenerated from on her page) is necessarily equivalent to the absolute liquification that would occur after being hit by one of Aragorn's attacks; plus, he's attacking at High Hypersonic speeds, is her regen fast enough for that?

According to this clip, it states that Life Fibers regenerate immediately after being cut.
Furthermore, the cut itself must be exact, cuz if even a single scrap of skin or thread of Life Fiber is left uncut, Ryūko’s body will still regenerate.
BUT, if any part of her body is cut from both sides simultaneously, like scissors, she can’t regenerate.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

According to this clip, it states that Life Fibers regenerate immediately after being cut.
Furthermore, the cut itself must be exact, cuz if even a single scrap of skin or thread of Life Fiber is left uncut, Ryūko’s body will still regenerate.
BUT, if any part of her body is cut from both sides simultaneously, like scissors, she can’t regenerate.

Fair, I concede this point
What can Ryuko do to Aragorn?

 

[Hsharpe]

Fair, I concede this point
What can Ryuko do to Aragorn?

If speed weren’t equalized, she’d probably blitz him continuously to try and wear him down (she has Sub-Relativistic speed).
But since speed is equalized, Ryūko would likely use her Shippu form to maintain the aerial advantage and stay out of Aragorn’s reach.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

If speed weren’t equalized, she’d probably blitz him continuously to try and wear him down (she has Sub-Relativistic speed).

Even if she could do that, 60x advantage is just too much for Ryuko's attacks to do any damage

But since speed is equalized, Ryūko would likely use her Shippu form to maintain the aerial advantage and stay out of Aragorn’s reach.

Ok, but what can she do to take Aragorn out of the fight? What are her win-cons?

 

[Hsharpe]

Ok, but what can she do to take Aragorn out of the fight? What are her win-cons?

One of her win-cons could potentially be stamina, since Ryūko seemingly has more stamina feats that outclass Aragorn, therefore she could try and tire him out.
Another one could be grabbing Aragorn and flying up out of the planet’s atmosphere in her Shippu form, then letting him either freeze to death in space, or throw him back down to Earth and let atmospheric reentry do the rest.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

One of her win-cons could potentially be stamina, since Ryūko seemingly has more stamina feats that outclass Aragorn, therefore she could try and tire him out.

I mean, he can literally just take a rest right there if he needs to since she can't do any damage to him

Another one could be grabbing Aragorn and flying up out of the planet’s atmosphere in her Shippu form, then letting him either freeze to death in space, or throw him back down to Earth and let atmospheric reentry do the rest.

The second she gets close he splatters her

Also, Aragorn could potentially incap by hitting her every time she starts to regenerate

 

[Hsharpe]

Also, Aragorn could potentially incap by hitting her every time she starts to regenerate

Her regen isn't really that slow.
Let's say Aragorn tries to slice through Ryūko's torso; the moment his blade starts going through, the Life Fibers will immediately begin regenerating and will have fully repaired by the time Aragorn's blade reaches the end.
To halt her regen, Aragorn would need to swing from two directions at the same time (not one after another).

Also, I may actually lower Aragorn's AP to his Low 7-B end, but that might complicate things a little. But what do you think? Should I do it?

 

[Hsharpe]

Looking through this, I'm finding a lot of calcs. However, I'm having trouble finding one that links directly to the 7-B calc that True LF Synced Ryūko scales to.

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

Her regen isn't really that slow.
Let's say Aragorn tries to slice through Ryūko's torso; the moment his blade starts going through, the Life Fibers will immediately begin regenerating and will have fully repaired by the time Aragorn's blade reaches the end.
To halt her regen, Aragorn would need to swing from two directions at the same time (not one after another).

Oh dang, nevermind then

Also, I may actually lower Aragorn's AP to his Low 7-B end, but that might complicate things a little. But what do you think? Should I do it?

I don’t think so because Aragorn would still have no good way of getting past regen so I’m pretty sure that would be a stomp for Ryuko

Looking through this, I'm finding a lot of calcs. However, I'm having trouble finding one that links directly to the 7-B calc that True LF Synced Ryūko scales to.

I looked through literally every page of the verse and could not find any reasoning for 7-B anywhere, I have no idea

 

[Hsharpe]

I looked through literally every page of the verse and could not find any reasoning for 7-B anywhere, I have no idea

I'm assuming it's this one:

KLK: Dome Explosion

vsbattles.fandom.com

(This is a literal shot in the dark, so take it with a grain of salt)

 

[Spinoirr]

Do you have the AP values? I can't for the life of me find either of them; the calc that Aragorn is supposed to scale from is just not 7-A, and Ryuko's AP section for this key just links to another character who has the same AP value saying she scales from Ryuko, so I have no idea (there is also no 7-B calc on the verse page so I don't know what's going on)

She's baseline via upscale

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

Since neither of them have very good wincons, I’m leaning towards inconclusive. Maybe Aragorn could do something with Empathic Manip or maybe Ryuko could outlast Aragorn and throw him into space, but those are pretty big maybes imo.

 

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Since neither of them have very good wincons, I’m leaning towards inconclusive. Maybe Aragorn could do something with Empathic Manip or maybe Ryuko could outlast Aragorn and throw him into space, but those are pretty big maybes imo.

Looking through Aragorn's profile again, he has a few pretty noteworthy abilities, but none of which can put Ryūko down for good.

• His Númenorean Blessings could allow him to predict some of Ryūko's attacks and his magical healing could keep himself in the fight. Not to mention he's potentially capable of putting curses on people and causing them to die with such curses, however, this only seems to work on oath-breakers and his oath of anyone but himself dying from touching Andúril is virtually nonexistent here due to Andúril being... well, not in this fight at all.
• He has Invulnerability, Light and Holy Manip with Andúril, but since he doesn't have the sword, those are out of the equation.
• He has Clairvoyance, Telepathy, and Limited Mind Manip with the Orthanc Palantír, but he has no practical use for it in this fight.
• He's got Healing and Age Manip with the Elf-Stone, and while he could use it to keep himself in fighting shape and heal himself, it doesn't really with putting down Ryūko permanently nor could it bypass her regen.
• And with the Elendilmir, he could potentially blind Ryūko and terrify her, though again, it does nothing to permanently kill her. Though it would however leave Ryūko vulnerable for a time.

As for Ryūko, she has a lot more abilities that could leave this fight in an endless stalemate.

• Her Accel Dev and Stats Amp kick in when she's close to death, so if Aragorn nearly kills her but fails to truly kill her, then she's gonna get stronger as a result
• Her Pain Resistance could effectively allow her to shrug off any major wounds done to her by Aragorn, like getting half her torso blown off or getting smashed to pieces.
• She can generate shockwaves with her willpower alone, so she could catch Aragorn off-guard with this.
• She can vent steam from Senketsu to use as a smokescreen, though due to Aragorn's enhanced senses, this'll likely be fairly useless.
• She can melt stone and burn people on contact by giving off heat from getting angry or fired up.
• She can make forcefields with pure sound, and redirect energy/sound-based attacks using her natural frequency.
• Her different forms with Senketsu can confuse Aragorn or leave him unable to counter, like her aerial advantage with her Shippu form or her Senjin form having less openings to exploit along with their spiky features.
• She can create afterimages of herself at high-enough speeds to appear in numerous places simultaneously.
• Lastly, high-speed air slashes can cause very devastating destruction that Aragorn would have to be careful of, even if they don't hurt him.

So overall, I definitely see this being Inconclusive. I'll let @Tyranno223 have his own input on what he thinks.

 

[Tyranno223]

This isn't a bloodlusted fight so Aragorn has no reason to use his (questionable) ability to curse items and do something like "whoever does undue harm to my blade shall be cursed bla bla bla."

So yeah, inconclusive fra for me too.

 

[Hsharpe]

@ProbNotAFelon have you made your decision yet, or do you need time?

 

[ProbNotAFelon]

@ProbNotAFelon have you made your decision yet, or do you need time?

Yea, incon FRA

 

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[AThe1412]

Inconclusive FRA.

 

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[MannyQ361]

Incon fra