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Ryuko Matoi vs Gurren Lagann
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Reactive evolution is a basic application of spiral power and comes from the pilot. So he does have reactive evolution. However it's nowhere as impressive as in the later parts of the series (where he literally goes from 4-B to low 2-C in half an hour and from low 2-C to 2-C in about a minute).
Both will grow stronger the longer the battle lasts and thanks to Ryukos regen this is not an easy fight. Still Gurren Lagann starts 8x stronger than Ryuko. So he will easily do massive damage, while Ryuko does no damage at all. This will most likely result in Ryuko's stamina draining much faster than Gurren Lagann's.
Also I think using an attack like giga drill breaker (8 times stronger than ryukos dura) should destroy her body far enough to overcome her regen. The drill if applied continuously should easily be capable of turning her into a puddle of blood (Which is way easier accomplished than true vaporization and too much for Ryuko's regen).
Post timeskip already has some spatial manip stuff and the overall stat advantage is even bigger.
Overall I'm leaning more towards Gurren Lagann. The difficulty is depending on how far Ryukos "Zenkai" can close the gap in power.
Both will grow stronger the longer the battle lasts and thanks to Ryukos regen this is not an easy fight. Still Gurren Lagann starts 8x stronger than Ryuko. So he will easily do massive damage, while Ryuko does no damage at all. This will most likely result in Ryuko's stamina draining much faster than Gurren Lagann's.
Also I think using an attack like giga drill breaker (8 times stronger than ryukos dura) should destroy her body far enough to overcome her regen. The drill if applied continuously should easily be capable of turning her into a puddle of blood (Which is way easier accomplished than true vaporization and too much for Ryuko's regen).
Post timeskip already has some spatial manip stuff and the overall stat advantage is even bigger.
Overall I'm leaning more towards Gurren Lagann. The difficulty is depending on how far Ryukos "Zenkai" can close the gap in power.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't remember GL doing anything particularly impressive with its reactive evolution, at least prior to the time skip. I do remember it adapting to the water pressure, but that's about it
NOTE: I'm not talking about the stat amping powers.
NOTE: I'm not talking about the stat amping powers.
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There is adapting to water pressure as you mentioned and learning how to fly instantly after absorbing the enemies flight unit. Also there are multiple instances of him creating new moves the moment there is need for it (drill bullets that time he fought a swarm of enemies, giga drill maximum the moment he got surrounded by enemies, ...). Those are feats I can remember where his reactive evolution does more than just raising his power.
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@DaiFritzi Ryuko's zenkai is pretty potent. In the final fight against Shinra Koketsu Ragyo Ragyo was far stronger than Kisaragi Ryuko to the point where she was basically ragdolling Ryuko at the beginning of the fight, and in a few minutes Ryuko's power grew to the point where she could match her, and even after Ragyo ransformed into a more powerful form which could casually ragdoll the now empowered Ryuko she still couldnt deal any lasting damage, while Ryuko just kept getting stronger.
And Ryuko's reactive evo has done all of that and then some
And Ryuko's reactive evo has done all of that and then some
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This is way more likely.Kaltias said:
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Ryuko for regen, reactive evolution and zenkai
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Bump
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Bump, Lagann 2, Ryuko 1, Inconclusive 2
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When has Ryuko been unable to regenerate as efficiently due to bloodloss?
In Kisaragi (form being used here) she lost gallons of blood getting split in half or impaled countless times yet casually regenerated. In TLFS she was also cut in half, which logically should cause her to lose a massive amount of blood, yet she regenerated that no problem. In LFS she lost a lot of blood from Ragyo pulling out her heart, she regenerated that. Ryuko ripped off the kamui, causing so much blood to fall it completely covered her and the area around her entirely in blood, yet she healed the injuries.
And nobody is claiming that Ryuko's Regenerationn is infallible. You can negate it by doing the classic "from both sides" to her forms besides Kisaragi, or reduce her to something too small to grow back from.
In Kisaragi (form being used here) she lost gallons of blood getting split in half or impaled countless times yet casually regenerated. In TLFS she was also cut in half, which logically should cause her to lose a massive amount of blood, yet she regenerated that no problem. In LFS she lost a lot of blood from Ragyo pulling out her heart, she regenerated that. Ryuko ripped off the kamui, causing so much blood to fall it completely covered her and the area around her entirely in blood, yet she healed the injuries.
And nobody is claiming that Ryuko's Regenerationn is infallible. You can negate it by doing the classic "from both sides" to her forms besides Kisaragi, or reduce her to something too small to grow back from.
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Thank you for mentioning it Ryukama. This is exactly what will happen to Ryuko once she gets hit by a giga drill breaker 8x stronger than her durability. If GL grinds her into a puddle of blood, which will happen considering the difference in strength, she will not be able to regenerate.Ryukama said:
Also there have been fights (eg vs guame) where Simon finished the fight with giga drill breaker as his first attack. So, using giga drill breaker as his first attack would not be out of character.
After rewatching the last ep of klk I have to add something. After the fight with Ragyo, Zenketsu collapses. He stated that "Shinra Koketsu was more powerful than he thought". This means that dealing damage in a similar matter to Ragyo destroys Zenketsu itself.
Without Zenketsu Ryuko is practically helpless. This adds an option for GL to win this match regardless of Ryukos regen.
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No, Senketsu was absorbing the power of Shinra Koketsu, which he couldnt handle, which caused him to be destroyed.DaFritzi said:
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I'm not arguing who would win, but Senketsu collapses because he just finished absorbing the power of someone who was leagues above him. How is that relevant to this fight?DaFritzi said:
EDIT: Ninja'd by Weekly lol
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No its really not, because going by what actually happened he was destroyed by absorbing Shinra KoketsuDaFritzi said:
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even wolvies, deadpool's and hulks Regenerationn can be overtaxed.
just bcs ryuko survived great things, doesnt mean the Regenerationn cant be overtaxed.
sure, ryuko can lose great amounts of blood, but it is not infinite.
why arent we talking about gurren lagann's regen? it runs on willpower, which is not going to run out, unless they fight 24 hours straight and simon gets real hungry or smth.
having said that, this is a close battle either way.
just bcs ryuko survived great things, doesnt mean the Regenerationn cant be overtaxed.
sure, ryuko can lose great amounts of blood, but it is not infinite.
why arent we talking about gurren lagann's regen? it runs on willpower, which is not going to run out, unless they fight 24 hours straight and simon gets real hungry or smth.
having said that, this is a close battle either way.
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You're attacking a stawman. Again "no one is claiming that Ryuko's Regenerationn is infallible. You can negate it by..."
Yeah Ryuko's Regenerationn can be overtaxed. I'm not denying that and no one in this thread is either. So there's no point bringing that up.
You said "her Regenerationn is limited by her bloodloss." This is not true. Her Regenerationn factor does not get lowered or slowed down just because she lost blood in the process. If her body gets reduced to something too small for her to come back from, yeah she won't regenerate. But that's different.
And Gurren Lagann's Regenerationn is not that good (being listed as Low on the profiles) If you're so heavily insistent that Ryuko's can and will get overtaxed, so could GL's.
Yeah Ryuko's Regenerationn can be overtaxed. I'm not denying that and no one in this thread is either. So there's no point bringing that up.
You said "her Regenerationn is limited by her bloodloss." This is not true. Her Regenerationn factor does not get lowered or slowed down just because she lost blood in the process. If her body gets reduced to something too small for her to come back from, yeah she won't regenerate. But that's different.
And Gurren Lagann's Regenerationn is not that good (being listed as Low on the profiles) If you're so heavily insistent that Ryuko's can and will get overtaxed, so could GL's.
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GL's regen can be overpowered(dealing heavier blows than it can regen), but not overtaxed, it runs on spiral power, which is pretty much infinite unless simon throws the towel, which i dont see ever happening.
ryuko's clothes run on blood. losing blood over and over doesnt slow down her regen, but it would get ryuko killed. i mean senketsu alone is constantly drinking her blood, so she does have some kind of time limit from the get go and that limits gets lower as she loses more blood.
ryukos best chance is to tear GL to pieces as quickly as possible, otherwise her chances only get lower and lower in the long run.
ryuko's clothes run on blood. losing blood over and over doesnt slow down her regen, but it would get ryuko killed. i mean senketsu alone is constantly drinking her blood, so she does have some kind of time limit from the get go and that limits gets lower as she loses more blood.
ryukos best chance is to tear GL to pieces as quickly as possible, otherwise her chances only get lower and lower in the long run.
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So you claim everyone who says Ryuko's regen can't be overtaxed (which no one ever said) is using NLF and equating them to a Saitama fanboy, only for you to say that GL's regen can't be overtaxed and is infinite?
Unless the profile is wrong, GL's Regenerationn simply is not that impressive. It can be killed by reducing it to pieces or through decapitation/fatal wounds.
If losing blood over and over would get Ryuko killed, then she'd be long dead during every scene I referenced. She can replenish blood as well. As long as she doesn't have her body reduced to something too small to come back from bloodloss won't matter.
Unless the profile is wrong, GL's Regenerationn simply is not that impressive. It can be killed by reducing it to pieces or through decapitation/fatal wounds.
If losing blood over and over would get Ryuko killed, then she'd be long dead during every scene I referenced. She can replenish blood as well. As long as she doesn't have her body reduced to something too small to come back from bloodloss won't matter.
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Bump, Ryuko 2, Gurren 2, Inconclusive 2
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Bump, Ryuko 2, Gurren 2, Inconclusive 2
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Bump, Ryuko 3, Gurren 3, Inconclusive 3
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Has it been too long to bump this?
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Dunno, but considering this is Kisaragi Ryuko who regens extremely fast (seriously, when it comes to High-Mid Regen she has one of the best I've ever seen) and the reasons given above for her, I gotta say Ryuko seems more likely to take this for me.
Voting Ryuko on this one, albeit Gurren can and will put one hell of a fight. High-diff for Ryuko.
Voting Ryuko on this one, albeit Gurren can and will put one hell of a fight. High-diff for Ryuko.
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Going by this picture, the explosion created covered roughly 90% of half the moon's circumference.
The moon's circumference is 10,921 kilometers.
Divide that by 2 and multiply by .9, and that's 4,914.45 kilometers.
Using the airburst radius formula:
(((4,914.45/0.28)^3)/1000) * .5 = 2703464511.52 Megatons, or 2.7 Petatons of TNT - Continent level+.
Now, Ryuko's is 2.7 * 10^27 Joules. That's 644 Petatons of TNT. 238 times stronger than Gurren Lagann.
Depends, though. Did GL actually destroy part of the moon, or did it just create an explosion that covered part of it?
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