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So that would scale to her TFA stats instead of her non-Force stats
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That seems consistent with the Obi-Wan and if we're downgrading the 9-A fodder to 9-B ig
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- Thrawn has only overpowered Sentry Droids in training. When Kallus reprograms them to kill Thrawn, he's greatly overpowered. He should actually scale to Kallus, who has fought Zeb.
- Even if Phasma's armour wasn't made of an energy-resistant material, Finn used a lightsaber resistant baton to perform the feat. There's also no evidence that Phasma herself withstood even a tiny portion of the hit.
- I don't think I need to address this. Also, it's confirmed that Rey has always been passively amping her physicals with the Force, even when she didn't display telekinesis.
- Kanan's feat against Kasmir could have been with the Force.
- Chewbacca performed this feat, which is Wall level, at full strength. R2 had cured Chewie, and he was in the process of overwhelming Black Krrsantan before he used metal knuckles to win.
- It's implied that Chewie went into the cave, rather than taking the actual explosion.
- Bombimax used a weapon capable of beating Krrsantan into unconsciousness to break down the blast door. The parasite also triggers certain responses in Wookies, which visibly made Krrsantan more aggressive and visually larger. Also, the blast door could be made of material designed to dissipate blaster bolts.
- Riff, the Karakadoon (I think that's the spelling, but I don't care to check) only really took blasters to his suit, which was undamaged. Though he may have also took a glancing blow to the shoulder (around the part where his suit and lower arm meet.)
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Isn't there a baseline 9-A feat for Tolvan? There is no way Krrsantan and Chewie are weaker than her.
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Yeah. @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan made a calc for her, which ended up at Baseline 9-A.
Tolvan kicks doors
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That makes sense for Tolvan. She's presented as a physical powerhouse, even among the Imperial and Rebellion's best, which easily consists of Wall level characters. I could imagine characters like Kreel and the stronger members his squad scaling to her (expect some more on him later), let alone Wookies and some of the more imposing droids.
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There is also Zeb, who we know was a member of the Alliance at the time (showed up in a couple of panels with Hera in the main run of the Star Wars comics). He should also not be weaker than Tolvan.
Speaking of SCAR squadron (Task Force 99) they had a member called Zuke who could fight evenly against and grapple with Chewie. He was only beaten by Chewie after being pushed into some wiring which electrocuted him.
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That's on his profile. Assuming he violently fragmented a 2.5-metre, 10 cm thick concrete wall gets over 0.0023 tons of TNT, which is very high-end Wall level.
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He can also take blows from and stagger Valance, who has also put his fist through a solid concrete wall and decapitated an assassin droid with a punch. And Valance can also trade blows with freaking Bossk, who has a major hate boner for and rivalry with Chewie. Bossk has also fought Krrsantan (though he seems ultimately weaker).
Wow... That makes him almost half as strong as Tolvan.
Side Note:
The female Nautolan bounty hunter Nakano Lash (while she was dying from an illness, by the way) could take blows from and physically overwhelm the Thisspiasian bounty hunter Ooris Bynar, whose tail swipes could break a solid stone floor. And Boba Fett is at least as strong as her and should not be weaker than Dengar.
Consistent 9-B "peak humans" across the board in Canon.
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Do you know if there's anyone who scales to Beilert Valance? He fought Bossk once, and is made of a tougher form of durasteel.
Edit: Boba can somewhat fend him off and harm him, but is overpowered without stealth. I think this makes a lot of sense with Wookies/high-end Trandoshans being somewhere between 1 and 15x baseline Small Building level (stronger blasters, like Boba Fett's, are 15x baseline due to vaporizing/disintegrating humanoids), while the likes of Boba and Dengar are high-end Wall level. Zuckuss is also somewhat comparable.
It's worth noting that Zuckuss' snare rifle has a disintegration setting.
Edit: Boba can somewhat fend him off and harm him, but is overpowered without stealth. I think this makes a lot of sense with Wookies/high-end Trandoshans being somewhere between 1 and 15x baseline Small Building level (stronger blasters, like Boba Fett's, are 15x baseline due to vaporizing/disintegrating humanoids), while the likes of Boba and Dengar are high-end Wall level. Zuckuss is also somewhat comparable.
It's worth noting that Zuckuss' snare rifle has a disintegration setting.
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Valance is indeed seemingly stronger than Boba.
Also, I recalled those panels where Dengar seemingly takes blows from and staggers Valance. In the former case, Valance could have killed him (and Dengar seems scared shitless of him) but did not do so only because of the rules of the cantina they were in. In the latter case, Dengar did it just out of spite while agreeing on a deal with Valance and his hand was noticeably in pain after the blow to Valance's chin.
So... Yeah, Valance is probably a lot stronger than Dengar.
Nice.
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So do we have enough information right now to at least perform the OP downgrades?
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What's the Consensus so far, Im a little out of it.
I was able to get someone to calc the Rey slamming the Serpent Against Achto feat here, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rocker1189/A_large_snake_hits_a_small_mountain with 1 Calc member revising and Approving it so far.
I was able to get someone to calc the Rey slamming the Serpent Against Achto feat here, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rocker1189/A_large_snake_hits_a_small_mountain with 1 Calc member revising and Approving it so far.
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That's... Really impressive.
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I think it's really weird to use the earthquake, in this case. It's a small mountain (or hill/cliffside), and Rey caused a landslide by throwing a snake at it. It's not like Luke's feat where he literally shook an entire mountain.
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The landslide is coming from the highest point of the mountain, while the feat was done at the base of the Island, it's not shaking just a small area. Rey would need to still use the Force with enough KE to shake the mountain.
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The snake's impact zone was just below the landslide, so I doubt she actually shook much at all.
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thats not the Impact zone, we can see the height in relation to the serpent earlier, the second shot just shows us the rocks falling on the serpent and the mountain/hill curving
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No we don't. It's cut off in that earlier panel.
We can see the grassy top is near the Serpent's head. Either way, it's not enough to suggest she shook an entire hill.
We can see the grassy top is near the Serpent's head. Either way, it's not enough to suggest she shook an entire hill.
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I disagree because thats not the Literal Impact zone and the POV is warped because we viewing it from Luke and Rey's perspective, even if we assume that the serpents head is actually very close to the grassy area,I feel like your overestimating the size of Achto's Island.
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In anycase I think we should first put this aside for now, (as regardless on your stance the calc hasn't been accepted yet anyway) and focus on the OP.
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So is this continuing any time soon?
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probably, but maybe Hop will help and read through all this
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The ratings are mostly decided, right? Mostly the scaling to deal with
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The scaling is a bit of a pain, tbh. That's a large part of why the last 1% is taking so long.
Speaking of scaling, Snoke was implied to have fought Luke in the past (but was obviously overwhelmed). This is notable, as he'd cut off his force power after Kylo rebelled and only used it during TLJ, so Luke should have been just as strong.
Speaking of scaling, Snoke was implied to have fought Luke in the past (but was obviously overwhelmed). This is notable, as he'd cut off his force power after Kylo rebelled and only used it during TLJ, so Luke should have been just as strong.
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Weakened Palpatine scales above him. Then we have Vader, past Luke, etc. I don't think it's too controversial to put Endor Luke too massively behind someone much weaker than base Palpatine. It's also consistent with Vader's statement about Bendu.
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Well old Luke has a High 7-C feat but then for Vader his best feat is only 8-A at his prime if my memory serves
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