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Damage makes sense to me.
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Went ahead and edited the (now) first part as merely mentioning usages without enforcing anything isn't even a rule at that point, so I modified the wording a bit accordingly.Regarding Article List Templates, content featured in each one is limited on the following criteria:
*Article List Templates should be kept to group multiple pages in the following cases:
**Alternate incarnations of the same character within the same franchise (Link)
**Different time periods regarding the same character and timeline (Son Goku (Dragon Ball) to Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z))
**Multiple versions of the same character in alternate canons (Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy) to Cloud Strife (Kingdom Hearts))
**For verse pages it's for long-running series with multiple relevant continuities (Marvel and DC)
*In-universe clones and derivatives (such as merely being a family member) aren't allowed to be within an Article List Template for the given character, as they're simply considerable as their own individual characters without sufficient relation and similarity for the purposes of an Article List Template to the respective character, this also extends to alternate timeline incarnations.
**Alternate canon characters can be featured in Article List Templates, even if their alternate canon is regarded as an alternate timeline in relation to the main canon in question.
*Article List Templates may only be used for character profiles or verse pages, other cases should rely on a category to group them and/or a disambiguation page on a case-by-case basis.
However, I am not at all fond of the idea of, for example, cramming the Marvel, Record of Ragnarok, and mythological versions of Thor into a single navigation template, and the same goes for Siddharta Gautama and other religious figures, so I personally think that your original draft was a better option.
We also already have disambiguation pages for visitors who are interested in different versions of characters from different verses.
@AKM sama @DontTalkDT @DarkDragonMedeus @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Andytrenom @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou @GyroNutzWhile I agree, more staff are against it, so if anything I'd suggest to ask more staff or to see any re-evaluations.
Yeah we 100% should not make every version of a character into one template. That's what a disambiguation page is for.Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?
Agreed.Well, that part is something I definitely agree with. Disambiguation pages exist to clarify which incarnation of what common "character" comes from what.
Templates are simply for similar characters within the same revolving canons for easy access, so while Marvel Thor wouldn't be grouped with RoR, GoW, or other incarnations as such, they would serve to direct people to, say, the alternate comic versions, any video game incarnations of the comic character, etc.
I got to also agree.Well, that part is something I definitely agree with. Disambiguation pages exist to clarify which incarnation of what common "character" comes from what.
Templates are simply for similar characters within the same revolving canons for easy access, so while Marvel Thor wouldn't be grouped with RoR, GoW, or other incarnations as such, they would serve to direct people to, say, the alternate comic versions, any video game incarnations of the comic character, etc.
Regarding Article List Templates, content featured in each one is limited on the following criteria:
*Article List Templates should only be used within the Intellectual Property in question, and as such shouldn't have content outside the permission of the respective owners. Disambiguation pages should be used instead otherwise.
*Article List Templates should be kept to group multiple pages in the following cases:
**Alternate incarnations of the same character within the same franchise (Link)
**Different time periods regarding the same character and timeline (Son Goku (Dragon Ball) to Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z))
**Multiple versions of the same character in alternate canons (Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy) to Cloud Strife (Kingdom Hearts))
**For verse pages featuring long-running series with multiple relevant continuities (Marvel and DC)
*In-universe clones and derivatives (such as merely being a family member) aren't allowed to be within an Article List Template for the given character, as they're simply considerable as their own individual characters without sufficient relation and similarity for the purposes of an Article List Template to the respective character, this also extends to alternate timeline incarnations.
**Alternate canon characters can be featured in Article List Templates, even if their alternate canon is regarded as an alternate timeline in relation to the main canon in question.
*Article List Templates may only be used for character profiles or verse pages, other cases should rely on a category to group them and/or a disambiguation page on a case-by-case basis.
I think that your article list template instructions seem good to apply, but I do not properly understand what you mean with your other suggestions in your last preceding post in this thread.
It was merely a minor rewrite to make the usages of it a standard than mere suggestions or mentions of what they're mainly used for.Went ahead and edited the (now) first part as merely mentioning usages without enforcing anything isn't even a rule at that point, so I modified the wording a bit accordingly.
Maybe we could also add this as a footnote somewhere nearby or similar:
"A character is considered to be the same as another for these purposes for cases sharing the same name and some degree of appearance and personality traits, note that this is still one criteria on its own and it may not be sufficient to qualify for sharing an Article List Template"
@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000 @Qawsedf234 @Mr._Bambu @Starter_Pack @Colonel_Krukov @Damage3245 @Mariogoods @DemonGodMitchAubinOkay. What do the rest of you think? Is it fine if Bobsican's latest draft is added to our Editing Rules page now, and in that case, would one of our administrators be willing to handle it in a proper manner (with all of the embedded links included)?
Done.Thank you for the replies. It can probably be added then. Would one of you be willing to handle it?
I've deleted the templates and removed them from the profiles.Since it is accepted, maybe we could start to delete top navigation templates which are not allowed by the new rule. First, I propose them as I feel that they are not allowed by the new rule:
Zhao Yun
vsbattles.fandom.comCthulhu
vsbattles.fandom.comSlenderman
vsbattles.fandom.com
I am not at all fond of the idea of, for example, cramming the Marvel, Record of Ragnarok, and mythological versions of Thor into a single navigation template, and the same goes for Siddharta Gautama and other religious figures, so I personally think that your original draft was a better option.
We also already have disambiguation pages for visitors who are interested in different versions of characters from different verses.
A clear majority of our staff agreed with the above arguments.Well, that part is something I definitely agree with. Disambiguation pages exist to clarify which incarnation of what common "character" comes from what.
Templates are simply for similar characters within the same revolving canons for easy access, so while Marvel Thor wouldn't be grouped with RoR, GoW, or other incarnations as such, they would serve to direct people to, say, the alternate comic versions, any video game incarnations of the comic character, etc.
Thank you for helping out.I've deleted the templates and removed them from the profiles.
Thank you, but the instructions seem out of place in our editing rules page. Wouldn't it be better if we move them to a new "Standard Format for Article List Templates" page instead?
I agreed with it too; but I thought it would be more case-by-case and potentially useful templates wouldn't be deleted without discussion.A clear majority of our staff agreed with the above arguments.
That seems like a good idea. Is somebody here willing to write a draft for it?If we also get format instructions (rather than only regulations) to add to such a page to begin with, sure.
Thank you for the support.I agreed with it too; but I thought it would be more case-by-case and potentially useful templates wouldn't be deleted without discussion.
I am afraid that I couldn't find a reply from Saman above, and Damage seems to have agreed with me and Starter Pack going by his last comment in this thread.Saman literally said above that they agreed with me and Damage that deleting them would be a waste of time and detrimental
I meant Starter, whoops. That doesn't explain why we're deleting them without consensus though, and I still think deleting them outright for no reason is a detrimental move.I am afraid that I couldn't find a reply from Saman above, and Damage seems to have agreed with me and Starter Pack going by his last comment in this thread.