(STAFF APPROVAL NEEDED) Soul Eater Profile Issue

[Cielsea]

There is an issue regarding the profiles of the main trio in soul eater, consisting of Black Star, Maka Albarn, and Death the Kid who should all scale to Kishin Asura's scaling of low multiverse level. This used to be the case until it was removed without any crt being made to justify doing so. There have been crts made in the past with sufficient amounts of proof regarding their scaling. Furthermore the crt being linked to support the removal of their old scaling is not related to their scaling at all, it was just removed randomly.

The current profiles don't make much sense and contains many inconsistencies with how the story goes for the final key, so I suggest separating the Dark Side of the Moon arc forms of the character into a separate key rather than combining it into the same key as their Grigori arc key. This allows us to rename the key into Grigori Arc - War on the Moon Arc II, which is much more consistent with the powerscaling in the story.

The Grigori - War on the Moon Arc keys will contain all the previous scaling of the characters of 6-A while the new Dark Side of the Moon key will contain the previous scaling of 5-B to 2-C.

The Profiles will look like this:

Maka Albarn

Black Star

Death the Kid

Spoiler: additional information

I believe all three should scale pretty blatantly. For one Maka, Black Star, and Kid were iirc the only people besides Crona and Lord Death to be able to do anything to Asura. Maka cutting him open with Kishin Hunt. Black Star is commended by Asura multiple times and Kid is directly stated to be just a little below him at worst. Plus they all took several direct hits, Black Star swallowing a blast which Asura himself is surprised he survived. They weren’t strong enough to outright kill Asura, just sealing him away, but they could at least do damage and survive several hits that would kill people as far below him as Tier 6. -MintyBoi

Additional Context: They were unable to kill Asura due to him being the concept of fear, which gives him type 2 abstract existence and several types of immortality, not being able to kill him is not an issue of ap on the trio's side but rather not being able to get pass the hax mentioned above. There are also statements made by the author and characters from the series that Black Star will have surpassed the Kishin by the end.

The final issue would be that their speed does not scale to Kishin Asura's speed but I would like further input on this issue from others that are also knowledgeable on the verse. Although the most likely scenario is that their final key should scale to Asura's FTL speed.

 

[Damage3245]

Your OP is lacking in any links, any scans, any arguments.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The main trio consisting of Black Star, Maka, and Death the Kid should Scale to Kishin Asura's scaling of low multiverse level.

Um Damage is right if you just create a thread without any scans to back it up a Mod can just close the thread without warning, so you'd best get started on gathering the reason why you believe they should scale with scans to back it up.

 

[Cielsea]

Your OP is lacking in any links, any scans, any arguments.

The final arc of Soul Eater is literally those three fighting Kishin Asura. Also they used to scale to him but it was removed from their profile without any crt being made that discusses why. You can see that the removal was done poorly as well due to the durability of Black Star in his profile still scaling to low multiversal.

 

[Cielsea]

bump

 

[Kellex]

bump

You can only bump after 24 hours of no new replies/comments.

 

[Kellex]

It seems like the previous CRTs have already addressed this issue stating the main three + Crona should scale to Death and Kishin, and they did have upgrades, but this CRT made the downgrade without explanation.

 

[Cielsea]

It seems like the previous CRTs have already this issue stating the main three + Crona should scale to Death and Kishin, and they did have upgrades, but this CRT made the downgrade without explanation.

Yes this is the exact post i was referring to, thank you for providing the link.

 

[Nierre]

lol @KingTempest and I talked about this months ago now, not sure if he wanted to make a CRT addressing it tho.

 

[ObberGobb]

I think something really needs to be done about it. Like I see no reason at all for them not to scale, and even if there is some reason then that needs to actually be explained and not just implemented

 

[KingTempest]

Scale them

 

[Cielsea]

If i'm correct this is the crt that was initially used when they first got scaled to asura.

 

[Cielsea]

are there any other supporters of the verse?

 

[Cielsea]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

Seems like they should scale, especially if the removal of their scaling was done without an accepted CRT for it.

 

[Cielsea]

Seems like they should scale, especially if the removal of their scaling was done without an accepted CRT for it.

yes just need a moderator or admin to accept it

 

[Random-Helper323]

yes just need a moderator or admin to accept it

It can be daunting making a CRT when you've never done it, but the problem here seems to be that your OP is not a valid CRT summary since it just presents the intent with no evidence.

I would suggest taking the text you yourself posted in this post and copying it to your OP, that way your OP has its basis laid out.

 

[Cielsea]

It can be daunting making a CRT when you've never done it, but the problem here seems to be that your OP is not a valid CRT summary since it just presents the intent with no evidence,

I would suggest taking the text you yourself posted in this post and copying it to your OP, that way your OP has its basis laid out.

ok i tried to fix it, thank you for the advice.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Whoa, even though I agree with you on this, I don't think you should be making the edits without first receiving approval in this CRT.

Changes to: Maka, Black Star, Death the Kid

I actually do think the revisions are valid, but we need some staff to sign off on it first.

On a related note, I actually found the revision that removed the 2-C part, and although it does link a CRT as its justification, the CRT strangely doesn't seem to talk about scaling to Fire Force or even 2-C at all, it just links to a sandbox which contains calculations of other feats.

 

[Cielsea]

Whoa, even though I agree with you on this, I don't think you should be making the edits without first receiving approval in this CRT.

Changes to: Maka, Black Star, Death the Kid

I actually do think the revisions are valid, but we need some staff to sign off on it first.

On a related note, I actually found the revision that removed the 2-C part, and although it does link a CRT as its justification, the CRT strangely doesn't seem to talk about scaling to Fire Force or even 2-C at all, it just links to a sandbox which contains calculations of other feats.

Yeah but the problem is the staff are not responding. Also when I looked at Maka and Death the Kid's profiles it was so badly done. I mean Maka's profile had a key for spirit and it had higher ap than her black blood dress form that beat kishin asura, while kid's profile says that he is stronger than black star when the link provided says the exact opposite.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Yeah but the problem is the staff are not responding. Also when I looked at Maka and Death the Kid's profiles it was so badly done. I mean Maka's profile had a key for spirit and it had higher ap than her black blood dress form that beat kishin asura, while kid's profile says that he is stronger than black star when the link provided says the exact opposite.

All valid complaints. All the same we should keep trying to get the attention of staff.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Scale them

lol @KingTempest and I talked about this months ago now, not sure if he wanted to make a CRT addressing it tho.

Your OP is lacking in any links, any scans, any arguments.

What do you three think of this updated OP and information?

Repost: I actually found the revision that removed the 2-C part, and although it does link a CRT as its justification, the CRT strangely doesn't seem to talk about scaling to Fire Force or even 2-C at all, it just links to a sandbox which contains calculations of other feats.

 

[Cielsea]

There seems to be another inconsistency that can be found in their profiles which is the speed. Kishin Asura is FTL due to scaling to Shinra but the Main Trio is only at relativistic. These 4 should all scale to one another although i'm unsure if asura should be downscaled or if the trio should upscale.

 

[Cielsea]

Can we please do something about this profile issue since an admin reverted my changes without even bothering to look at the crt that was used to justify the removal of the 2C rating. If the admin even bothered reading through the crt they would realize it does not mention anything that justifies the removal of the 2C rating. @Apotheosis69

 

[Cielsea]

@Antvasima kindly take a look at this thread as it discusses why the 2-C removal is not justified.

 

[Cielsea]

@Nierre you were the one who made the crt that is being linked unjustifiably, could you please participate in this discussion

 

[Random-Helper323]

Can we please do something about this profile issue since an admin reverted my changes without even bothering to look at the crt that was used to justify the removal of the 2C rating. If the admin even bothered reading through the crt they would realize it does not mention anything that justifies the removal of the 2C rating. @Apotheosis69

@Antvasima kindly take a look at this thread as it discusses why the 2-C removal is not justified.

@Nierre you were the one who made the crt that is being linked unjustifiably, could you please participate in this discussion

Normal members can't ping staff. I already called for the attention of the people I quoted above, but they're ignoring me.

It works better to contact the staff member directly on their message wall.

 

[Cielsea]

Normal members can't ping staff. I already called for the attention of the people I quoted above, but they're ignoring me.

It works better to contact the staff member directly on their message wall.

I already did that. Istg some of the staff here are so incompetent like they actively make it harder to fix profiles. They didn't even bother double checking or communicating before reverting it back to the ruined version of the profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

Scale them

@Damage3245 @Nierre

What do you think about this?

 

[Cielsea]

@Damage3245 @Nierre

What do you think about this?

thank you for helping out antvasima my glorious king.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Cielsea]

No problem.

Still no responses from the others though. Are there any other active admins that could approve this? since there aren't really any admins that are supporters of this verse from what I know

 

[Antvasima]

Still no responses from the others though. Are there any other active admins that could approve this? since there aren't really any admins that are supporters of this verse from what I know

@Damage3245 and @Nierre are supporters or knowledgeable about this verse, if I remember correctly.

 

[Cielsea]

@Damage3245 and @Nierre are supporters or knowledgeable about this verse, if I remember correctly.

Yeah but no responses from them even after a week so I was wondering if there is anyone else.

 

[Antvasima]

Only if I call staff members who know almost nothing about the verse in question, so it seems best to wait a while for Damage and Nierre first.

 

[Cielsea]

could we call the staff members that approved this crt regarding soul eater as well?

 

[Antvasima]

could we call the staff members that approved this crt regarding soul eater as well?

@DarkDragonMedeus @Maverick_Zero_X @Deagonx @Dalesean027

 

[Cielsea]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Maverick_Zero_X @Deagonx @Dalesean027

okay thank you so very much antvasima!

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Dalesean027]

I can't really speak on what happened in the previous CRTs but if no reason was given for the stats being downgraded in those prior ones then I don't why this shouldn't be fine but I'd suggest adding all the scaling evidence to the OP regardless

@Nierre