Springtrap/Afton Revisions

[QuasiYuri]

WhatRobot said

Also do you have an audio for him screaming?

 

[Robot972]

Don't take what I said as thinking it's not William who's being tortured. I 100% believe he is the player in UCN

 

[DatOneWeeb]

WhatRobot said

Also do you have an audio for him screaming?

The second video I posted was audio of Afton screaming from the Old Man Consequences easter egg.

I mean, it could be the same situation as people Springtrap appearing while Mike was talking and everyone thinking Miketrap was a thing.

But like, that was deconfirmed.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I agree with Weeb.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

I feel like both work, though Separate profiles due to the fact that it is still unconfirmed. It is head canon even if we all seem to be in unison over this.

 

[Robot972]

I feel like both work, though Separate profiles due to the fact that it is still unconfirmed. It is head canon even if we all seem to be in unison over this.

Yeah, that's unfortunately the problem with most of FNaF's lore, unfortunately. Despite all the evidence that points to a lot of the plot points, most of it's still just headcanon

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

So probably should just mention it on both profiles that there is evidence supporting the idea.

 

[Robot972]

Yeah, that would make the most sense. And would we give similar treatment and write that there's idea of TOYSHK being Golden Freddy?

Though TOYSHK should probably tabber over to Andrew whenever I post that profile...

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I feel like both work, though Separate profiles due to the fact that it is still unconfirmed. It is head canon even if we all seem to be in unison over this.

Again, why would it just be personal headcanon? Scott himself is never the one who says everything, hell most of the videos he make are agreed by Scott. Even telling Mat if he's wrong. Regardless, Henry stating Afton goes to hell, Afton screaming to Michael and Henry for help, and several of the animatronics referring to the player as a murderer. It all adds up. I beg the question, who else would it be? Why would the animatronics want to torment some random guy? The only other person who we can think of is Michael, but he's an actual protagonist and the screams from the OMC easter eggs has someone screaming Michael and Henry. Should also be noted that Scott has never stated FNaF UCN is non-canon.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

The thing I’m saying is it isn’t confirmed, which means us saying it is is disingenuous. Hence why it should be mentioned on both profiles rather than combining.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

So is 90% of FNaF, yet we use it. The game relies easter eggs. It's already accepted by most people that yes, there is enough proof the player is Afton.

 

[AKM sama]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Well two people claim it's headcanon, but there's literal evidence from the videos. Everyone else, including Starter, are fine with it.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Actually, Headless does have a point. Despite the overwhelming evidence supporting this, it is headcanon at the end of the day. Making a mention of the possible connection between the two profiles, particularly in the Player's profile, makes the most sense to me.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Look, that still begs the question. Who else would it be? Why are they there being killed and brought back? Why do the animatronics constantly know who he is? There's no one else that it can add up other than Afton. There needs to be some type of proof it's shown it could even maybe be someone else.

There's more evidence too.

"I recognize you. But I'm not afraid of you... Not anymore."



"I am the fearful reflection of what you have created."

https://youtu.be/Xias-oW9HLU?t=417



The Puppet stating they remember the player way before and stated she was afraid of him. This is clearly her referring to the day of her death, the day Afton killed her.



"I am a burning reminder of your misdeeds!"



Jack-O-Chica referring to Afton being a serial killer, including Chica's own death by him.



And of course, the many statements of The One You Should Have Not Killed. All of it once again points to Afton. If the animatronics themselves outright state its Afton, Henry stating Afton would be sent to hell, and Afton screaming for Michael and Henry, then that's honestly just straight up denial.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

As much as I agree that it's Afton, it never came right out and called the Player William Afton, so technically it's Headcanon. As much as I loathe that fact.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Might want to ask a Mod about this, cause my feelings are basically the same as @XSOULOFCINDERX

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Why would they have to outright call him Afton. Please, answer my question: Who else would they refer to?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Why would they have to outright call him Afton. Please, answer my question: Who else would they refer to?

Nobody, but we can't accept what's technically Headcanon on here. It has to be Fact.

 

[Robot972]

By definition, the fact that they don't name the player means that it's a headcanon, even if literally everything points to that fact. That's just the matter of the fact.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Eh perhaps. I mean it is heavily implied to be Afton. I am kinda thinking it could be fine. Would it be a separate key? Personally feel like it’s own profile is ok but again that’s just me. It has a lot of its own stuff.

EDIT: Nvm everyone seems to believe that it needs confirmation, though personally should be mentioned on both profiles.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

You honestly need a better argument that it's headcanon. We accepted Michael as the protag of FNaF 6, yet it was never outright stated.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Also, need I remind you this is a game made by Scott? Who comes up with 90% of the lore and secrets? The fans. You'd have to almost completely butcher FNaF if you ONLY use 100% confirmations, because that type of stuff is almost never shown at all.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

That is true

 

[Robot972]

You honestly need a better argument that it's headcanon. We accepted Michael as the protag of FNaF 6, yet it was never outright stated.

Which is why I agreed with this :/
I'm just saying that it IS headcanon

 

[DatOneWeeb]

However it has more than enough proof to be accepted, aka most of our FNaF stuff

 

[Robot972]

Oh god, this has more proof than the majority of the accepted headcanons currently used

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Oh god, this has more proof than the majority of the accepted headcanons currently used

XD right?

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Lol

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Anyways... I still feel like there's more than enough proof for the merge and just add at as a key. Although I would remove the "Within the building" part, because... that's just silly.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

I suppose the removal. Should we scale him to his living state?

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I think we should, no reason to assume why he would be weaker. The animatronics also have better feats like tearing limbs off, so that's some implication that they're different.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

True, I’m fine with that. Makes Purple Guy’s matches a bit more interesting.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He gets Bootleg Resurrection for TOYSHK wanting him to suffer.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

Immortality 8 as well. I can do part of the merging if required.

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

All abilities as his first key, Resurrection (Which also has a byproduct of Regeneration [At least Mid to High-Mid; Is brought back to life with no wounds from animatronic attacks, which include being torn apart, sliced to bits, and skull damage]) and Immortality (Type 8; Is presumably being brought back by The One You Shouldn't Have Killed every time the player dies. This is likely to continue the torture of the protagonist), limited Death Manipulation (via Death Coin), Minor Technology Manipulation (via Battery), limited Heat Manipulation (via Frigid), Minor Light Manipulation (via Flashlight)

 

[HeadlessKramerGeoff777]

That is basically using what was already on the profile. Needs to be reworked probably.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I can do the edits if mods are okay with it.

 

[AKM sama]

I do not know about the topic at hand but I trust the judgment of @YuriAkuto and @Starter_Pack
What do you guys think should be done here?

 

[Robot972]

What do you guys think should be done here?

Based on what's been discussed, The Player (Ultimate Custom Night) will be added to Springtrap (Five Nights at Freddy's) as a key (which may mean there needs to be a bit of a revision for the profile's layout... But also every profile that links to the player will need to be relinked